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A82768 The diurnall occurrences of every dayes proceeding in Parliament since the beginning thereof, being Tuesday the twentieth of Ianuary, which ended the tenth of March. Anno Dom. 1628. With the arguments of the members of the House then assembled. England and Wales. Parliament. 1641 (1641) Wing E1526; Thomason E178_12; ESTC R2426 43,658 82

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If these bee steppes to Church preferment God be mercifull to those Churches which shall fall under the government and feeding of such a Clergie Thus Master Pymme you see the issue of our good endeavour vanisht into smoake what should be the reasons I know not But I may well gnesse it comes by the like practises as were used in King Iames his time for then had we the like gracious Answers to Petitions of Religion the like Proclamations the like Declarations and like Commands to put Lawes in execution against Recusants and yet little done being prevented by secret directions and commands of some eminent Ministers of State which I am able to justifie by a letter under their hands which I have now about me And I wish that all such as have notice of any such private letters as have beene sent for the stay of execution of those Lawes would give this House knowledge thereof Sir Robert Phillippes If ever were a necessity of dealing plainly and freely this is the time there is an admission of Priests and Jesuites as if it were in Spaine or France This encrease of Papists is by connivance of persons in Authority Nine hundred and forty persons in houses of Religion being English Irish and Scots in the Netherlands maintained by the Papists of England And of this I shall deliver the particulars that wee may frame a Remonstrance to the King That unlesse there be some better performance of his Majesties so many Answers to so many Petitions our Religion will be past recovery M. Coriton That those Papists by Lawes or Acts of State may be removed from their offices which wee have just cause to suspect Master Selden moveth things may be debated in order and first for the releasing the Jesuites that were arraigned at Newgate whereof one was condemned they were ten in number which were Priests who had a Colledge here in London about Clarkenwell and these men could not attempt these Acts of boldnesse but that they have great countenancers Secretary Cooke That a Minister of State which is said to be himselfe having notice of these ten and this Colledge intended to be kept at Clarkenwell That it is plaine there was a place appointed for this Colledge and Orders and Reliques prepared This Minister made the King acquainted with it and I should not doe my duty if I should not declare how much his Majestie disliked it His Majestie referres it to the especiall care of the Lords of the Councell who examined the same sent these ten persons to Newgate and gave order to Master Attorney to prosecute the Law against them That this Colledge was first at Edmonton removed from thence to Camberwell and thence to Clarkenwell Ordered that all the Knights and Burgesses of the House shall to morrow morning declare their knowledge what Letters or other hindrances have beene for the staying of proceedings against Recusants M. Long. A Justice of Peace who is said to understand much in the businesse of the Colledge of Jesuites at Clarkenwell is sent for and examined saith hee by the appointment of Master Secretary Cooke apprehended those persons and tooke their Examinations and saith further that he heard they were delivered out of Newgate by order from Master Attorney That Master Middlemore a generall Sollicitour for the Priests hired this house for the Lord of Shrewsbury a Papist and that there are divers Bookes of Accompts of Receipts and Disbursements to the value of three hundred pounds per annum with divers Recusants names who allowed towards the maintenance of this Colledge and these bookes and papers are in the hands of Master Secretary Cooke Secretary Cooke saith hee cannot so amply declare the truth of the proceedings herein untill that he have leave from his Majesty One Crosse a Pursevant is to be examined in this who likewise saith he can discover divers stoppings of the execution of Lawes against Recusants Saterday the 14. of February Anno 1628. A complaint against the Lord Lambert a Baronet of Ireland and a member of this House who being a Collonel of Souldiers in Middleborow hath imposed 4 d. upon every Souldier towards his Officers charges and the Petitioner for refusing to pay was set in the stockes and after by the Lord Lamberi commanded to a Prison It is ordered that the Lord Lambert be sent for to answer this Sir Iohn Ipsley desireth leave to answer a complaint that is against him in the Lords House M. Selden That the use was and citeth a president that no Commoner could bee called to the Lords House but it will trench much to the disadvantage of the priviledge of this House and untill 18. Iacobi there was never president to the contrary that therefore this may be considered of by a select Committee Ordered that Sir Iohn Ipsley shall not have leave Master Chancellour of the Dutchie stiffely secondeth the motion of Master Selden Master Secretary Cooke I am as carefull to maintaine a good correspondencie with the Lords as any man but connivances in this kinde may overthrow the fundamentall Rights and Liberties of this House Let it be therefore seriously considered of for this not onely concerneth the Right of this House but the Liberty of the whole Kingdome or Common-wealth Ordered a speciall select Committee shall bee appointed to confider of this Master Chancellour of the Dutchie delivereth an answer from the Barons of the Exchequer as followeth Whereas the Honourable House of Commons by order this twelfth of this instant February have appointed that notice should be given to the Lord Treasurer Chancellour and Barons of the Exchequer for a Declaration made by Sir Iohn Wolstenholme Abraham Dawes and Richard Carmarden then in the said House of Commons of the goods that the Merchants brought into the Kings Store-house and laid up there for his Majesties use were detained onely as they conceive for the duty of Tonnage and Poundage and other summes comprised in the books of Rates which notice was given to the end the said Court of Exchequer might further proceed therein as to Justice should appertaine Now the Lord Treasurer Chancellour and Barons out of their due respect to that Honourable House and for their satisfaction doe signifie that by the orders and injunctions of the said Court of Exchequer they did not determine nor any wayes trench upon the right of Tonnage and Poundage and so they did declare openly in Court at the making of these orders Neither did they by the said Orders or Injunctions barre the owners of those goods to sue for the same in a lawfull course But whereas the said owners endeavoured to take those goods out of the Kings actuall possession by Writs or Plaints of Replevin which was no lawfull Action or course in the Kings case nor agreeable to his Regall prerogative Therefore the said Court of Exchequer being the Court for ordering the Kings Revenue did by those Orders and Injunctions stay those suites and did fully declare by the said Orders that the
of this House Master Long moved that hee might bee sent to the Tower Sir Francis Seymor That he may be referred backe to the Committee to be examined if then hee deale not clearely this House may proceed to further punishment M. Selden I cannot remember when we did commit a Sheriffe of London but I remember when this House did commit both the Sheriffes of London to the Tower for an abuse of lesse nature onely for countenancing a Serjeant in an Arrest on a member of Parliament though they did acknowledge their faults at the Barre which this man hath not yet done the Serjeant sent to little ease the partie at whose suit he was arrested was committed to the Fleet and both the Sheriffes to the Tower M. Kirton I came into this House with as good a will to this man as any man for I was spoken to to stand for him as I came in and I promised to doe what favour I could But if he were my Brother he should to the Tower M. Littleton You see the affronts by Bookes by Preaching by Rumors by being daily served with Processe that are put upon us that we are become but a meere scarre-crow the neglect of our duty is the cause of this It is high time to remedy this or it is in vaine to sit here The Sheriffe is againe called to the Barre on his knees and is sentenced to the Tower Sir Benjamin Rudiardes There are divers Recantations and Submissions and Sentences remaining on Record in both Universities against Arminianisme that concerning any thing that may conduce to our end the Speakers letter may bee sent to the Vice-Chancellour for those Records which is ordered It is ordered that Worstenholme Dawes and Carmarthen are to be at the Barre upon Friday Wednesday the 11. of February Anno 1628. M. Selden reported concerning the Processe of the Merchants that Master Attorney gave order for the Processe and that Master Attornies man took for the same For the Bill it is a course by way of crime for those things which depend in Parliament complained here by the Merchants The Coppie of the Bill brought in and read That the Merchants did plot practise and combine against the peace of the Kingdome This being conceived to be a businesse incident to Tonnage and Poundage is ordered to be referred untill to morrow morning M. Selden That a report should be made to morrow of the complaints of the Merchants and the Information in the Exchequer may also be brought which was ordered It is ordered that in respect the Terme ends to morrow and the Assises to follow and divers members and Lawyers may be gone it is ordered none shall goe forth of Towne without leave of the House It is ordered the Speakers letter to be sent for Sir Edward Cooke At the Committee for Religion M. Walter delivered a Petition of the Booke-sellers and Printers in complaint of the restraint of Bookes written against Popery and Arminianisme and the contrary allowed of by the onely meanes of the Bishop of London and that divers of them have beene Pursevanted for Printing of orthodoxe Books and that the licensing of Books is now onely restrained by the Bishop of London and his Chaplaines One of the Printers said he tendred divers Books one called The Golden Spurre to the celestiall Race That Turner one of the Bishop of Londons Chaplaines said that if he would put out the point That a man may be certaine of his Salvation he would licence the same notwithstanding hee put out the same point yet hee could not get it licenced M. Selden The refusing the licensing of Bookes is no crime but the licensing of bad Bookes is a crime There is no Law to prevent the printing of any Booke in England onely a Decree in Starre-Chamber therefore that a man should be fyned imprisoned and his goods taken from him is a great Invasion on the liberty of the Subject hee moveth that a Law may be made upon this This is referred to a select Committee to be examined Master Shervile reported concerning the pardons that they have examined Doctor Sibthorpes and Cozens pardon Sibthorpes sollicited his owne pardon and said hee would get the Bishop of Winchester to get the Kings hand to it It is evident that the Bishop of Winchester got the Kings hand to Sibthorpes and Cozens pardons and also Montagues pardon was promised by him That Doctor Mannering sollicited his owne pardon and the Bishop of Winchester got the Kings hand to his pardon It is likewise said the Pardons were all drawne by Master Attorney before there was any Warrant Master Cromwell saith he had by relation from one Doctor Beard that Beard said that Doctor Alablaster had preached flat Popery at Pauls Crosse The Bishop of Winchester commanded him as he was his Diocessan that he should preach nothing to the contrary Sir Robert Phillippes saith one Doctor Marshall will relate as much said to him by the Bishop of Winchester as the Bishop said to Doctor Moore M. Kirton That Doctor Marshall and Doctor Beard may bee sent for That this Bishop though he hath leapt thorow many Bishoprickes yet he hath left Popery behinde him That Cozens frequenting the Printing-house hath caused the Booke of Common Prayer to be new printed and hath changed the word Minister into Priest and hath put out in another place the word Elect Thus Cozeus and his Lord goe hand in hand Sir Miles Fleetwood saith wee are to give Mountague his charge and by his Bookes chargeth him with 1. Schisme in errour of Doctrine 2. Faction in point of State 3. Matter of Aggravation Sir Walter Earle Qui color albus erat nunc est contrarius albo saith Doctor White hath sould his Orthodoxe bookes and bought Jesuiticall bookes And Moore that Bishop White may goe arme in arme with Mountague Ordered a select Committee to bee named to digest these things that have beene already agitated concerning the Innovation of our Religion the cause of the Innovation and the remedy Thursday the 12. of February Anno 1628. The Sheriffe of London upon his submission is released of his imprisonment in the Tower Sir Iohn Elliott made the report from the Committee in the Examination of the complaints of the Merchants and delivered in the Orders and Injunctions in the Exchequer At a great Committee for Tonnage and Poundage Master Shervile in the Chaire Master Walter delivered a Petition from Chambers Fawkes and Gilborne in complaint of an Information against them in the Starre-Chamber about Tonnage and Poundage and that by restraint of their goods they are like to be undone Sir Iohn Elliott The Merchants are not onely kept from their goods by the Customers but by a pretended Justice in a Court of Justice the Exchequer I conceive if the Judges of that Court had their understanding enlightened they would reforme the same and the Merchants thereby suddenly come to their goods Master Wansford conceiveth this a difficult way for us to goe M.
THE DIURNALL OCCVRRENCES of every dayes proceeding in PARLIAMENT since the beginning thereof being Tuesday the twentieth of Ianuary which ended the tenth of March Anno Dom. 1628. With the Arguments of the Members of the House then assembled LONDON Printed by R. H. and are to be sold by William Cooke at Furnivals Inne Gate in Holborn Anno Dom. 1641. A TRVE RELATION of every dayes proceeding in PARLIAMENT since the beginning thereof being Tuesday the 20. of Ianuary An. Dom. 1628. VPon the said twentieth day of Ianuary being the first day of the Parliament nothing was done but onely the setling of the Committees Upon Wednesday the 21. of Ianuary It was ordered that M. Selden and others should see if the Petition of Right and his Majesties Answer thereto were enrolled in the Parliament Rolles and the Courts of Westminster as his Majestie sent them word the last Session they should be and also in what manner they were entred which was done accordingly M. Selden reported to the House that his Majesties Speech made the last day of the Parliament in the upper House is also entred by his Majesties command M. Pymme moved that the debate thereof should be deferred untill Tuesday next by reason of the fewnesse of the House and the liberty of the Kingdome Sir Iohn Elliot It is true it deserves to be deferred untill there be a fuller House But it is good to prepare things I find it is a great point I desire a select Committee may consider thereof and also how other liberties of the Kingdome be invaded I finde in the Countrey the Petition printed indeed but with an Answer that never gave satisfaction I desire a Committee may consider thereof and present it to the House by what warrant it was printed which was ordered M. Selden In this Petition of Right it is knowne how lately it hath beene violated since our last meeting the liberties for Lease-person and Free-hold how have they beene invaded have not some beene Committees and contrary to that Now we knowing this Invasion must take notice of it We know of an order made in the Exchequer That a Sheriffe was commanded not to execute a Replevin and mens goods are taken away and must not be restored And also no man ought to loose life or limbe but by the Law And hath not one lately lost his Eares meaning Savage that was censured in the Starre-chamber by an Arbitrable Judgement and sentence Next they will take away our Armes and so our Lives Let all see we are sensible of these customes which creepe on us Let us make a just presentation hereof to his Majestie Norton at Barre Norton the Kings Printer was called to the Barre and asked by what warrant the Additions to the Petition were printed He said there was a Warrant as hee thought from the King himselfe And being asked whether there were not some Coppies printed without Additions He said there were some but they were suppressed by some Warrants Sir Iohn Elliott desired a clearer satisfaction might be made and that he might answer directly by what Warrant whereupon he was called in againe and said he did not remember the particular but sure there was a Warrant Thursday the 22. of Ianuary One M. Rolles a Merchant and a member of the House informed the House that his goods were seized by the Customers for refusing to pay the custome by them demanded although he told them what was adjudged to be done by Law he would pay Whereupon Sir Robert Phillippes spake as followeth Sir Robert Phillippes By this information you see the unfortunatenesse of these times and how full time it was for this Assembly to meet to secure his Majestie and to preserve our selves And I am confident we came hither with fulnesse of both and all shall conduce to a happie conclusion and to the Kings honour and to our owne Great and weighty things wound deepe Cast your eyes which way you please you shall see violations on all sides Looke on the liberty of the Subject Looke on the priviledge of this House Let any say if he ever saw or read the like violations by inferiour Ministers that over-doe their commaunds They know the party was a Parliament man Nay they said if all the Parliament was in you this we would doe and justifie If we suffer the liberty of this House to wither out of feare or complaint we give a wound to the happinesse of this Kingdome Here the course of Justice was intercepted An Order in the Exchequer was made for a stay of the goods since there is seizure upon the approach of Parliament of goods amounting to 5000 l. for a pretended duty of 200 l. In the first of King Iames by reason of the sickenesse that then was the Parliament was prorogued and then was some boldnesse to take this Tonnage and Poundage and then we questioned the men that demaunded Tonnage and Poundage for there was no right to demaund it Let us proceed with affection of duty to make up breaches Let a Committee proceed of these proceeding Here M. Littleton made a Speech to second him M. Littleton We have had good admonitions and we have followed them We have Moderation preached unto us in Parliament and we have followed it I would others did the like out of Parliament Let the parties be sent for that violated the Liberties of Parliament to have their Doome This Speech was occasioned by Secretarie Cooke who in his Speech desired that Moderation should be used Sir Iohn Elliott I see by this Relation what cause we have to be tender of the Libertie of the Subject and this House and yet withall to retein the Moderation as to give satisfaction to the world that our heart is fixed to serve his Majestie and to free us from offer of jealousie Three things are involved in this complaint 1. The Right of a particular Gentleman 2. The Right of the Subject 3. The Right and Priviledge of this House Let the Committee consider of the two former but for the violation of this House let us not be lesser then our forefathers Was ever the information of a member committed to a Committee Let us send for the parties Is there here a bare denyall of the Restitution of the goods Was it not also said that if all the Parliament were comeined in him they would doe as they did Let them be sent for It was ordered that the Officers of the Custome-House should be sent for M. Selden reported from the Committee concerning the printing of the Petition of Right That there were 5000 Coppies printed without any Additions at all which were published in the time of the last Parliament but since the Parliament other Coppies have beene printed with the Additions and these suppressed and made waste papers which the Printer did as he said by commaund from M. Atturney which he received from his Majestie And the Printer further said that M. Attorney was with the Lord Privie Seale at Whitehall