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A39998	The hierarchical bishops claim to a divine right, tried at the scripture-bar, or, A consideration of the pleadings for prelacy from pretended Scriptural arguments, presented and offered by Dr. Scott, in his book intituled, The Christian life, part II, A.M., D.D. in his Enquiry into the New Opinions, &c., and by the author of the second part of the Survey of Naphtali ... / by Thomas Forrester ...	Forrester, Thomas, 1635?-1706.; Scott, John, 1639-1695. Christian life.; Monro, Alexander, d. 1715? Enquiry into the new opinions.	1699 (1699)	Wing F1596; ESTC R4954	340,417	360

all the Power of Government in the person of the Bishop excluding wholly all Presbyters from any Interest therein So that the Dr. in this unwary Citation contradicts Ignatius and himself and makes Ignatius inconsistent with himself In his next Citation of his Epistle to the Ephesians wherein Reverence is enjoined to the Bishop as the Person appointed by the Lord and Master of the Family to be his Steward He hath again Wounded himself For to be a Steward having a subaltern Service and Ministry under the Authority of the Master and tyed up to his Orders is point blanck contrare unto and toto coelo different from that Principality of the highest Degree before ascribed to the Bishop and owned by the Dr. as his and Ignatius's Sense of the Episcopal Office Sure to be a Prince and a Steward in Government are distinct things and entirely and wholly opposit if we will take the Apostle Pauls word for it who disowns a Dominion and in stead thereof and in opposition thereunto owns a Stewardship in God's Family and humble Sevice or Ministry 1 Cor. 4.1 2 Cor. 1. Ult. But now the Dr. plyes us with Inferences from these Citations Whereof the first is That these Epistles were Written not above Eight or Nine years after the Decease of St. Iohn and yet Bishops are supposed to be in all Churches appointed by Christ and his Apostles and they were lookt upon as no Members of the Church who were not Subject to them That they were necessary in the very Constitution of Churches so that they were not within the Altar but without it who were not subject to them And therefore it may be concluded there were no Churches without them I Answer that Ignatius wrot his Epistles early no body will doubt but that such trashie stuff and anti-scriptural Fooleries as are above rehearsed was written by Ignatius and was his Sense of Church Government no Man of Sense or who hath any Respect to the Memory of that Martyr will believe And we find the contrair is asserted and made good by several of the Godly Learned Not to stand upon a more critical Answer and to challenge the Dr. to prove the Universal Sense and Practice of the Primitive Church at that time from the Sense and Sentiments of this Author tho admitted unless he could prove by some Authentick Acts the Judgment of the whole Church to be correspondent thereunto and that none who either wrot not or whose Writings may be lost were of contrary Judgment which he neither attempts to prove nor will ever be able The Drs. next Inference is That since there were Bishops so early in this Age presiding over the Churches they behoved to receive several of them at least their Episcopal Orders from the Apostles since Ignatius at the writing of these Epistles had been Forty Years Bishop of Antioch an eminent Church planted immediatly by St. Peter It being the constant practice of the Apostles to ordain Elders in all the Churches they planted c. Ans. The Dr. hath not made good from these Testimonies that there were de facto and de jure such Prelats as he pleads for Nor can he from this Ground perswad any rational Man of this unless he could evince two Things which he will do ad Calendas Graecas 1. Not only that what is asserted in the Passages above rehearsed was the genuine Sense and writing of Ignatius but likewise the Sense and Judgment as well as the practice of the whole Church at that time 2. That this supposed Judgment and Practice anent such an Officer as the Bishop is correspondent to the Scripture Account and Sense of the Church Officers mentioned in the New Testament and the Apostles Doctrin and Practice in point of Church Government and the Institution of the Officers thereof which he will also find another insuperable Difficulty Again his Reason here is very odd whereby he fortifies this Inference viz. That the Apostles ordained Elders in all the Churches they planted For if the Dr. hold these Elders to be Bishops as he needs must if he speak consequentially I would fain know First What shadow of Proof he can give for this and how he can suppose that all the Scripture Elders were such For if this be asserted then it follows that Bishops were set up when there were no Elders to presid over contrary to the Sense and Pleading of his Fellows except Dr. Hammond And next I would know how the Dr. upon this Supposition will keep off the Rock of a Contradiction and that both to himself and Ignatius Since he makes Ignatius to distinguish the Bishops and the Elders and himself holds that the Elders with St. Iames at Ierusalem when the Apostle Paul went in to them were mere Presbyters or Pastors Again if the Dr. argue from their ordaining Elders to their ordaining Ignatius a Bishop as he thus disowns Dr. Hammonds Arguments and Notion who takes still the Elders for Prelats so he is obliged to prove the super-institution of Bishops over these Elders in every Church not to suppose it only else in his principles these Churches where mere Elders were placed were manck and wanted the power of Jurisdiction And since he has produced nothing from Scripture that proves such an institution of Bishops or such ordinary Officers fixed to certain Diocesses his Dream of Ignatius is as easily rejected by us as affirmed by him We read of a Church of Antioch planted by Paul and of an Eldership and Company of Teaching Prophets there who imposed Hands upon Paul and Barnabas when sent out among the Gentiles and are consequently supposed to be the subject of a Jurisdictional Power and Government But of the Apostle Peter his planting an Hierarchical Prelat of the Drs. Mould in either of the Antiochs the Scripture is utterly silent And a Supposition necessarly ensuing hereupon viz. That the Apostles planted Churches with different Moulds of Government sufficiently discovers the Absurdity of such an Opinion As for Chrysostom Tom. 5. edit Savil. p. 99. his admiring of Ignatius Dignity obtained by the Hands of Apostles laid upon him It is a very blunt and headless Proof of that Episcopal Dignity which the Dr. alledges For doth not the Dr. think that the Office of the Scripture Bishop is a great Dignity And he should prove not suppose only that Ignatius was by the Apostles installed a Bishop of his Mould or that Chrysostom understood this Dignity in his Sense which as he offers not to do so if attempting it he could not chuse but set Chrysostom by the Ears with himself who as is above cleared asserts the Identity of the Office of Bishop and Presbyter The same I repone to what the Dr. alledgeth P. 410 of Polycarp his supposed Episcopacy in Smyrna as also what is made good by many Protestant Divines viz. That the Fathers and Ancients used the Name of Bishops in a general Sense that the first 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or

Quadratus Ignatius flourished let the Dr. observe this as to Ignatius here Cited by him may be truely called with Varro 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or obscure wherein nothing that is certain has come to our Hands concerning the Affairs of Christians except some very few things which the Enemies of GOD has catched up by the way such as Suetonius and Corn. Tacitus Which gap that Eusebius might fill up he drew somethings without Discretion and choise out of the Hypotyposis or Examples of I know not what Clement for he is not that Learned Clement that wrote the Strommata and out of the Five Books of Hegesippus a Writer no better Let the Dr. observe this as to Hegesippus and Clement here Cited by him Yea and Hegisipus himself as he shews lib. 3. Cap. 28. Holds that immediatly after the Apostolick Age was gone tunc impii erroris conspiratio per seductionem eorum qui alienam Doctrinam tradebant initium caepit Error began to Spring and advance The Learned Iunius controv 3 lib. 10. Cap. 23. Not. 3. Mentions and proves an equivocal acceptation of the Word Bishop in the Writings of the Ancients The Learned Whittaker also will Inform the Dr. De Pont. Quest. 2. Cap. 15. That Patres cum Iacobum Episcopum vocant c. The Fathers when they call Iames Bishop or Peter take not the Name of Bishop properly but they call them Bishops of those Churches wherein they stayed for a time He adds That it is absurd to say that the Apostles were Bishops since he that is properly a Bishop cannot be an Apostle the Bishop being set over one Church and the Apostles Founders and overseers of many Churches Yea he is so Bold as to add further without craving Pardon of such as are of our Drs. Judgment That non procul distat ab insania c. It differs little from madness to say That Peter or any other Apostles were Bishops And to this purpose he speaks at large Cap. 3. Sect. 9. making good his Assertion from the unfixed extraordinary Nature of their Office who were to follow the Spirits conduct towards all places wherever they were called The Dr. might have also learned from Fran. Iunius Contr. 3. lib. 2. Cap. 5 the cause of the Error and mistake of the Ancients in terming the Apostles or Evangelists Bishops and drawing from them Supposititious patcht Catalogues of Bishops which are found contradictory to one another Viz. That such Ministers as they found in the Church Records more famous such they cull'd out to make up their Catalogues even tho they were contemporary and those they named Bishops in conformity to their own times whereas saith he there were many Bishops or Presbyters at once appointed by the Apostles in the Churches Hence has proceeded this Confusion in the Catalogues for instance they make Peter Bishop of Rome and having a Seat there a Fable contradicted by many of the Learned and proved by them to be such but whether Clement was First or Third and who or in what Order next after Succeeded them whether Linus or Anacletus is never yet cleared Some make Titus Bishop of Crete some Arch-Bishop some Bishop of Dalmatia Timothy and Iohn are made by many Bishops in the same Post at the same time Some say Polycarpus was First Bishop of Smyrna some make him to Succeed one Bucolus some make Aristo First Some give Alexandria one Bishop some Two at once See Append. ad jus Divinum Minist Evang. Clearing this at large The Dr. also should have done well to have considered the important difficulty offered by Iosephus Scaliger about the Succession of the Bishops of the Church of Ierusalem related by Didoclav Cap. 4. P. 123. wherein he proves Eusebius Relation to be contrary to our Lords Prophesie anent the Destruction of Ierusalem and to Iosephus's History As likewise what this Learned Author hath observed and written to invalidat the Credit of Eusebius's History and the discovery he has made of his many gross Errors therein as well as in other Points So that our Dr. and his Fellow-pleaders might have observed this their grand Magazin to be but a corrupt Treasure and Poisoned Fountain How Fabulous is the Epistle of Christ to Agbarus King of Edessa related by him That which Philo the Iew wrote of the Esseans a Sect among the Iews Eusebius affirms that he Wrote it of Christian Monks which Scaliger in his Elencho tri Haeresii hath convict of falsehood out of Philo himself He proves Peters Crucifixion at Rome by a Tomb-proof In the Computation of Times Scaliger observes his gross Errors Nay which is more considerable he discovers gross ignorance of Scripture in saying that the Cephas reprehended by Paul was not the Apostle Peter but another of the Number of the Seventy Disciples To which might be added many things in his personal Carriag and Qualities which doth weaken the Credit of his History as his presiding in the Council of Tyre against Athanasius and standing upon the Arrian side Scaliger in his Thesaurus temporum Animad P. 268 Sets down the Testimonies of the Ancients concerning his Errors and Arrianism wherein some affirm that he died When he Wrote the History he was in the Judgment of some an Arrian And even admitting the unexceptionableness of his History when first Written yet that it hath been corrupted by some ignorant Impostor is by Didoclav Cap. 4. P. 111. Demonstrat from this that he makes mention of Sozomen who was born an Hundred Years after his time Had the Doctor also Perused the Learned Reynolds he might have found that in his Epistle to Sir Francis Knolls he proves at large from Chrysostom Ierom Ambrose Augustin Theodoret and many others both Ancient and Modern Authors that in Scripture Presbyter and Bishop are all one The Epistles of Clement of the first Century are very pregnant against the Divine Right of Prelacy particularly his Epistle to the Philippians wherein he makes but Two Orders of Ministry Bishops and Deacons which he says the Apostles set up to propogat the Ordinances to Believers But I am too prolix in a Matter of it self clear and plain and which we may probably have occasion again to touch Only before I part with the Drs. First Instance I cannot but in this place observe and again leave it to the Readers consideration that the Dr. affirms this Apostleship which Iames did derive from the Twelve was only an Episcopal Inspection of the Church in Ierusalem A strang Apostleship indeed and so very far unlike and disproportioned to the Apostolick Office that he might as well affirm that any Curat of the Church of England when set over a Flock or Cure has an Episcopal Authority committed to him The Drs. Second Instance to prove the Apostles committing their Apostolick Authority to Successors is taken from Epaphroditus Philip. 2.25 Who is Styled the Apostle of the Philippians Citing Ierom on Gal. 1.19 Who shews that others were Ordained Apostles as Epaphroditus And

is changed unto a Limited and Confined Inspection of Bishops Tho the Contexture of his Reasoning renders him in this inconsistent with himself Christs Care and Promise are abundantly verified in the Establishment of such a Government and Officers in His Church as are suted to her Edification and Preservation in all times and places I cannot but further remark the Dr's changing the Term of Apostolick Office which he holds to be transmitted to Successors into that of Episcopal Power as if these were all one But this is such a confusion of Names and Things as cannot be admitted But proceed we The Question the Dr. will needs have to be a Matter of Fact to be decided by Testimony Whom the Apostles appointed Successors is Matter of Fact simplely considered But this Matter of Fact must have a Divine Testimony to clear it it being a Divine Fact to call it so of Christs Infallible Divinely Inspired Apostles in the management of the Trust committed to them in founding and modelling the Gospel Churches And consequently in enquiring into this Point we must take our Measures both from their Doctrine and Practice if we acknowledge the Apostles had no Soveraign independent but Subordinat Subaltern Power Authorized and prescribed by their great Master whose Doctrine and Measures prescribed in his Holy Testament we must therefore look unto So that when the Dr. asserts There can be no decisive proof of this but by Testimonie He should have called it Divine Testimonie for an Human Testimony can here have no place when the Question is anent the Apostles Doctrine and Practice in point of Church Government And therefore what the Dr. adds viz That the Testimony alledged by him and the Episcopalians is so much the stronger upon the Ground of the Reception thereof Discovers his bad Design of leaving out the Qualification of Divine in the Testimony to which he appeals And likewayes his absurd alledging that a Divine Testimony is strengthened by an Human as influencing a stronger Pr●of in eodem genere Causae That the Church knew no other Government than Prelacy for fourteen hundred Years as the Doctor is bold to assert shall be admitted when he shall exhibit the full Accounts and Records of these 1400 Years asserting so much To proceed To prove that the Apostles Rectoral Power was by them transmitted immediatly to single Successors the Dr. tells us ibid. that he will first view the Holy Scriptures then Ecclesiastical Records First view I say only and properly view in order to this proof For 1. our Faith of this is a Divine Faith which therefore cannot be founded upon an human Testimony else it were but an human Credulity 2. Ecclesiastick Records cannot be an infallible Comment upon the Sense of these Scriptures wherein this Testimony is contained And this upon several weighty Grounds which I have elsewhere exhibit Since this were 1. To set up an higher Tribunal than the Scriptures 2. Ye exclud an examination of the Human Testimony by the Scriptures 3. To make the Churches practice the infallible Rule to direct our perswasion and practice in reference to every Scripture Truth and Duty therein held out Besides that neither this Dr nor any for him will ever exhibit Authentick Records of the Churches Universal Practice since the Apostles many of the Ancients having written nothing at all many of their Writings also being lost many going under their Name being Counterfeit and supposititious And that none of these did in this Matter contradict th● Writers whom the Dr. alledges in this Point but did accord in judgment and practice with what he supposes them to hold in Point of Episcopacy is a proof which lyes upon the Doctor as the affirmer before his Argument can be admitted as valid and his Testimonies be supposed harmonious and this he will no doubt perform ad calendas Graecas Who knows not that the prime Historian Eusebius with many others do acknowledge that the shattered and maimed Records of the First Ages after the Apostles which are in this Point most considerable are most uncertain and dark as to Matter of Fact And do therefore exhibit but a Lame and imperfect Testimony in this Matter My work and scope then is to examin the Dr's Pleadings from a Divine Testimony which I shall fully perform CHAP IV The Dr's Proof of the Divine Right of the Hierarchical Bishop drawn from the pretended Episcopacy of Timothy and Titus and the Seven Asian Angels Examined HEre we find the Doctor Tracing the Steps of his Fellows but giving their Notions and Arguments pitifully Insipide and nothing Recocted In the first place saith he P. 106 107. we find Timothy set over Ephesus by Paul when he went unto Macedonia Which place he compares with Act. 20.3 4. 1 Tim. 1.3 I besought thee to abide at Ephesus when I went into Macedonia that thou mightest charge some that they Teach no other Doctrine That Timothy thereafter waited upon Paul to yield Assistance in the Service of Religion he tells us cannot infer he was disingaged upon Occasional Iourneys from that Episcopal Inspection particularly committed to him in the Church of Ephesus by Paul Here is such a Proof as he might have seen long since Baffled and Disproved 1. All that hold Timothies Office as Evangelist to be extraordinary and to have expired with that of Apostles and this do the Body of Protestant Divines hold as is above evinced will consequently deny his Episcopal Instalment over Ephesus And put the Dr. to prove that his Evangelistick Office here expresly enjoyned him was First an ordinary Office to be continued Secondly Formally and properly Episcopal or such as did import a sole and singular Authority Paramount to all the ordinary Officers Authority in that Church and Exclusive thereof And what Answer to these Demands and Proof of these Suppositions is in the premised Argument let all Men judge 2. Had the Dr. been serious in this Debate he might have found that Presbyterians have exhibite from Scripture Timothie● continual transient Imployments through the Churches both before and after this supposed Instalment● Ius Divinum Minist Angli Smect with diverse others have made this evident 3. The Dr. did well to exhibit the supposed Scripture Charter of Timothies pretended Instalment I besought thee to abide at Ephesus when I went into Macedonia that thou mightest Charge some that they Teach no other Doctrine c. Which the Presbyterians have long since told him is a clear Proof of the contrary since there was no need of such Importunity if Paul had Committed the Episcopal Charge over Ephesus to him For thus he might have laid as Dreadful a Charge upon him to abide at Ephesus as he doth afterward to Preach the Gospel 2 Tim. 4.1.2 They have told him that the Words specifie an Occasional Imployment and are not Words of Instalment to any ●ixt Office or Bishoprick over that Church and do clearly insinuat and point at an Intendment to Call him away again As accordingly both he