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What can you say to this now If you say that your way is not so dangerous it is bu● our precise uncharitable conc●it We have shewed you the word of God for it and fourty times mo●e we could easily shew you And shall we believe you or such as you before God You are lyars but God cannot lye You see not what is done in another world but God seeth it You know not what is in Heaven or Hell but God knoweth And shall we not believe God that knoweth and disposeth of all better then moles that never saw it and ignorant souls that never knew it God saith that Fornicators Adulterers Drunkards Covet●us persons revilers or the like shall not inherit the Kingdom of God 1 Cor. 6.10.11 and that they that are in the fl●sh cannot please God and that if you live after the flesh ye shall 〈◊〉 Rom. 8.5.6 7 13. And would you have us believe you that there is no danger in a fleshly life Sirs we desire heartily to be United and Agreed with you but we are loth to buy it so dear as the loss of God and heaven com●s to We are willing of Concord with you but we are loth to be damned with you And do you blame us for this And alas if you should tell us a thousand times that you hope there is no such danger or that you hope to scape as well as the godly this is but poor security to us Shall we be so ●ad as to venture our selves on such words as these against the Word of the Ruler of the world What s●curity can you give us that we shall scape damnation if we turn ungodly Are you able to save us from the wrath of God Will you undertake to stand between us and his displeasure What say you if we will forsake an holy life and live as careless worldlings do and neglect God and our souls and please the world and our flesh w●ll you undertak●●o answer for us in Judgm●nt and will you 〈…〉 bear the punishme●t 〈…〉 should bear 〈◊〉 you 〈…〉 ●o save ●s ha●mless 〈…〉 will you per●wade ●s to 〈…〉 do Nay ●f you 〈…〉 it he were a mad man 〈…〉 trust you and 〈…〉 on 〈◊〉 such under●●●● 〈…〉 know you are not 〈…〉 ma●●th 〈…〉 how unable w●ll 〈…〉 your selves 〈…〉 an hour 〈…〉 whe● 〈…〉 Commission to car●y you● 〈…〉 And shall we trust 〈…〉 your ●oa●●●g words when 〈◊〉 kn●w you are 〈…〉 help yo●r selves Let us see 〈◊〉 what yo● can do f●r our selves or us agai●●● the prefer●●and of God 〈◊〉 you keep off death and 〈◊〉 diseases and live here in heal●h and wealth for ever whether God will or no How comes it to pass th●n that here is never a one of you near two hundred years of age Let us see you chide back approaching death and raise the dead bodies from their graves and heal all the diseases that out off mankind If you cannot do these smaller matters would you have us b●lieve that you can save●s from damnation Why Sirs must your ne●ghbours lie some of them in poverty and some in pain some sick of one disease and some of another and you look on them and cannot cure them or relieve them and yet must we venture our souls upon your words You cannot make an old man young again and can you make the word of God prove false or save those that God hath said shall perish and bring unsanctified men to heaven whether God will or no Well Sirs let them that hate their souls ●r care not whether they are ●aved ●r damned forsake the Lord and an holy life and joyn with you and see whether you can sa●e the●e But for my part I believe the W●r● of God and upon th●s Word 〈◊〉 I am resolved to build my hop●s and venture my soul and a●l 〈◊〉 little that I have in this 〈◊〉 Trust you on what you please 〈◊〉 shall be my trust And they 〈◊〉 can find a surer ground to 〈◊〉 upon let them take the●r course But I must tell you that if you would wish us all to cast aw●y God and Christ and heaven to agree with you you are mo●ite●● and not men and if you are s● cruel as to desire us to damn our souls for company we must be so careful of our selves as to abhor your motion and ra●her to ha●e the dearest thing or person in the world as they would draw us from Christ and everlasting life Luke 14.26 You see than what it is that standeth in our way to hinder us from turning back to you But what dang●r would you be in if you should turn to us Would it hurt or hazzard you to forsake your sensual ungodly lives Is there any danger in turning to God and living an holy heavenly life What is the danger Forsooth you may lose your estat●s or lives A great matter indeed in comparison of eternal life And must you not lose them shortly whether you will or not And are they not in the pow●r of God and cannot he pr●s●rve th●m if he please and if it be good for them he is liker to do it for his own then for his enemies But indeed he hath told you himself that he th●t will save his life shall lose it and he that loseth his life for his sake shall find it even in life everlasting Mat. 16.25 10.39 And yet as the world now goeth in England through the mercy of God your lives are in no danger It is but the scorn of ignorant miserable men that you must endure And will you stick at this in the cause of God and your salvation Nay indeed you are in most dreadful danger every day and night and hour till you forsake your former fleshly lives and turn to Christ You are all the while even within a step of death and hell till you are Converted and made an holy people It is but one stroak of death to put an end to your lives and hopes and you are gone for ever So that you have nothing to lose but an Heaven to gain if you joyn with the godly There is no danger can come to to you by turning unless it be the loss of your sins and that is a loss no more to be f●ared then a man should fear to lose the plague or pox or leprosie that hath it Now I beseech you Sirs as men of Conscience or of Reason set both together and equally consider how the case stands between us If we joyn with the unholy we run into Hell and lose God and Christ and Grace and Salvation for evermore But if you turn to the Godly you get out of danger and make the gainfullest match that ever was made by mortal men and you can lose nothing but the sensual pleasures of sin which are but exchanged for the joyes of Saints as sickness is exchanged for health And which now do you think in reason is the fitter that you turn to the godly or they to you Truly if
Countries of Professed Christians hath caused many to fall off and caused the enemie to insult We will not for all this break our Rule nor presume to search the hearts of men any further then they appear in outward Evidence We will still take all Professors of Christianity as Christians that Null not their own Profession Basil was advised by Athanasius himself to receive the Arrians themselves into Communion if they did but disown their former errors and subscribe to the Nicene Creed and seek the Communion of the Churches And he practised this though many were offended at it But yet we must needs say that it is better for the Church to have a few that are Holy and answer the nature of their holy Calling then to have multitudes that will but prove our shame and make the Infidel world believe that Christianity is not what it is Yea and these are they most commonly too though they may proceed to a higher profession that are carried about with every wind of doctrine and that turn to Heresies and cause and continue the Divisions of the Church For they that are such serve not the Lord Iesus when they profess to serve him Rom. 16.17 When Heresies do arise it is such chaff as this that is carried away that the Approved Christians indeed may be made manifest 1 Cor. 11.19 Abundance of proud unsanctified persons do us as much good in the Church as fire in our thatch or as mutinous souldiers that are but the enemies agents in the Army to set all the souldiers together by the ears or discover their Councils or blow up their magazins And would you have us contented with such a kind of Agreement and Communion with you as this which you and we are like to be so little the better for if not the worse 9. Furthermore it is not this meer Ageerment in Profession that will satisfie Christ himself and therefore it must not satisfie us It is not in this that he attaineth the principal ends of his Redemption nor seeth the travaile of his Soul Alas the blood of Christ is lost to you and all the Ordinances and means are lost and all the labour of Ministers is but lost to you as to any pardon of sin or life or Heaven that ever you shall have by them if you goe no further And would you have us be contented with such an Agreement as this 10. Lastly Consider that if we Agree no further then in an outward Profession of the Christian faith alas it will be but a short Agreement We may be together here a while in the Church as fishes good and bad in one net but when it is drawn to the shore a separation will be made Here you may sit and kneel among us a while and go away with the Name of Christians But alas it is but a little while till this Agreement will be broken and a dreadful everlasting separation must be made Dreadful to the unsanctified but joyful to the Saints And what great good will it do to you or us to be tyed together a little while by words and shews and then to be everlastingly separated as far as Light from darkness Heaven from Hell and the Greatest Joys from the Greatest sorrows O blame us not if we motion to you and beg of you a far neerer Union and Agreement then this I think I have now sufficiently proved that If we will be indeed of One Religion and ever come to a right Agreement it is The Vnity of the sanctifying Spirit that must do it It must be a Union and Agreement in true Conversion and Holiness of life and nothing lower will serve the turn If God do us any good by the Profession Gifts or Interest of Hypocrites and unsanctified professors we 'l thank him for it and take it as a mercy But it is a higher Design that must be in our Hearts and woe be to them that come no nearer the Holy Catholik Church and the Unity of the Spirit and the Communion of Saints then by an Outward profession and participation of Sacraments and such like outward Ordinances of Communion Quest. BVT suppose we should be Vnited in the Spirit and Agree in Holiness do you think this would heal the Divisions of the Church Doe you not see that the most godly are all in pieces as well as others Is it not such that have been the principal causers of our late Divisions You promised to shew us How we might do well for all our other differences if we were bu● Agreed in Holiness will you now shew us what Advantage that would be Answ. To be Agreed in Holiness and to be Heartily one in the Essentials of Christianity is an exceeding advantage to us in all our disagreements about lesser things As 1. Were we but once Vnited in the main and Sanctified by the Vniting Spirit of Christ our Principal differences were healed already We should no longer be of different minds whether sin or holiness be best or whether earth or heaven should be chosen for our portion nor whether God or the flesh or world should be obeyed You little think what abundance of differences are at once reconciled in the very hour of a sinners conversion Before that hour we differed in Judgement from all wise men from all the Saints of God from all the holy Prophets Apostles and Martyrs as well as from all the Godly about us and from all men of right Reason and faith and experience Yea we differed from the Holy Ghost from Christ from God himself yea from none so much as him Wicked wretches you differ from the Godly because they Agree with God but you differ more from God then from them When you despise a Holy life are his thoughts like your thoughts when you revile his servants and scorn his yoak and burden as too heavy are you then of the mind of Christ O no Your darkness and his Light are far more distant then you are able to conceive Were you but once Reconciled to God by converting sanctifying light you would at once be Reconciled to his servants for in the matters of chief concernment to the soul they are all of his mind for he is their Instructer And then what a day of healing would that be Oh what abundance of differences are ended upon the day of true Conversion And withal what abundance of differences would be new made For now you Agree with the Devil and with your fleshly desires and with distracted wicked men and all this Agreement would then be broke For this friendship with the world is enmity to God Iam. 4.4 and such Divisions as these Christ tells us that he came to send Luke 12.51 But you would presently be Agreed with God with the Holy Scriptures with all the Apostles and Servants of the Lord and with all men of Spiritual wisdom and experience in the world in the great and principal matters of your lives And it is a multitude of particulars that