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A12592 A godly treatise containing and deciding certaine questions, mooued of late in London and other places, touching the ministerie, sacraments, and Church Whereunto one proposition more is added. After the ende of this booke you shall finde a defence of such points as M. Penry hath dealt against: and a confutation of many grosse errours broched in M. Penries last treatise. Written by Robert Some Doctor of Diuinitie. Some, Robert, 1542-1609.; Penry, John, 1559-1593. Defence of that which hath bin written in the questions of the ignorant ministerie, and the communicating with them. 1588 (1588) STC 22909; ESTC S117654 118,250 200

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be_v not_o man_n but_o god_n baptism_n which_o be_v deliver_v by_o they_o if_o it_o be_v god_n baptism_n i_o be_o sure_a it_o be_v true_a baptism_n master_n caluin_n call_v they_o catabaptiste_n which_o deny_v that_o we_o be_v right_o baptize_v in_o the_o popish_a church_n institut_fw-la lib._n 4._o cap._n 15._o sect._n 16._o objection_n the_o popish_a priest_n have_v no_o lawful_a call_n therefore_o it_o be_v no_o true_a baptism_n which_o be_v deliver_v by_o they_o answer_n the_o argument_n follow_v not_o i_o confess_v that_o the_o popish_a priest_n have_v no_o lawful_a call_n yet_o they_o have_v a_o calling_n though_o a_o faulty_a one_o they_o which_o be_v not_o lawful_o call_v unto_o the_o ministry_n and_o yet_o sit_v in_o the_o chair_n of_o the_o ministry_n be_v to_o be_v account_v in_o a_o other_o place_n than_o they_o which_o have_v no_o call_n caiphas_n be_v not_o in_o deed_n the_o lawful_a high_a priest_n for_o he_o enter_v by_o money_n &_o the_o priesthood_n in_o his_o time_n 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element_n in_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o holy_a supper_n therefore_o etc._n etc._n that_o there_o be_v verbum_fw-la aedificans_fw-la i_o prove_v it_o thus_o the_o sum_n of_o christ_n sermon_n in_o the_o institution_n &_o administration_n of_o the_o holy_a supper_n by_o himself_o be_v the_o word_n of_o institution_n in_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o holy_a supper_n in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n therefore_o unless_o we_o will_v deny_v the_o sum_n of_o christ_n sermon_n to_o be_v a_o edify_a word_n which_o no_o learned_a man_n will_v deny_v we_o must_v confess_v that_o we_o have_v verbum_fw-la aedificans_fw-la in_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o holy_a supper_n with_o us._n if_o any_o will_v conclude_v of_o this_o that_o i_o mislike_v preach_v before_o the_o administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n he_o do_v i_o great_a wrong_n objection_n vnprech_v minister_n be_v not_o apt_a to_o teach_v therefore_o they_o be_v no_o sacrament_n which_o be_v deliver_v by_o they_o 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the_o essence_n of_o a_o minister_n simple_o for_o which_o it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o have_v the_o church_n call_v this_o appear_v clear_o in_o the_o magistrate_n the_o holy_a ghost_n require_v that_o none_o shall_v be_v choose_v a_o magistrate_n unless_o he_o be_v a_o man_n of_o courage_n fear_v god_n deal_v true_o and_o hate_v covetousness_n exodus_fw-la 18._o verse_n 21._o when_o such_o be_v advance_v as_o defile_v their_o hand_n either_o with_o filthy_a bribe_n as_o felix_n do_v or_o with_o barbarous_a cruelty_n as_o abimelech_n and_o herode_fw-la do_v shall_v we_o say_v that_o they_o be_v no_o magistrate_n i_o confess_v they_o be_v not_o single_v out_o by_o the_o elector_n according_a to_o almighty_a god_n direction_n in_o his_o holy_a bible_n but_o they_o be_v magistrate_n notwithstanding_o and_o we_o be_v command_v by_o the_o lord_n to_o perform_v all_o duty_n unto_o they_o saluo_fw-la officio_fw-la that_o be_v our_o duty_n be_v reserve_v to_o the_o high_a magistrate_n which_o 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have_v be_v great_o disquiet_v and_o the_o good_a course_n of_o religion_n have_v be_v great_o hinder_v the_o cause_n of_o this_o sore_a be_v intolerable_a pride_n and_o gross_a ignorance_n in_o these_o bad_a companion_n and_o want_v of_o care_n in_o the_o magistrate_n if_o any_o shall_v ask_v i_o what_o the_o true_a cause_n be_v why_o so_o many_o unfit_a man_n be_v the_o church_n minister_n i_o answer_v either_o great_a want_n of_o judgement_n or_o great_a corruption_n in_o such_o which_o do_v ordain_v and_o prefer_v they_o the_o sin_n of_o these_o man_n be_v very_o great_a for_o they_o dishonour_v almighty_a god_n and_o do_v gross_o abuse_v the_o people_n of_o the_o land_n this_o disease_n will_v be_v heal_v when_o the_o church_n maintenance_n be_v not_o dispose_v of_o by_o they_o which_o have_v the_o golden_a dropsy_n but_o be_v free_o give_v to_o worthy_a and_o painful_a student_n which_o will_v neither_o fish_n with_o the_o silver_n hook_n nor_o open_v the_o church_n door_n with_o a_o silver_n key_n 9_o the_o godly_a be_v not_o pollute_v which_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n at_o the_o hand_n of_o a_o unpreach_a minister_n the_o sacrament_n be_v god_n ordinance_n the_o minister_n ignorance_n can_v pervert_v the_o nature_n of_o god_n ordinance_n a_o sacrament_n can_v never_o be_v without_o promise_n of_o salvation_n therefore_o the_o worthy_a partaker_n of_o the_o sacrament_n receive_v a_o blessing_n if_o a_o blessing_n than_o no_o pollution_n that_o he_o receive_v a_o blessing_n the_o apostle_n teach_v we_o we_o be_v bury_v with_o christ_n say_v s._n paul_n by_o baptism_n into_o his_o death_n etc._n etc._n rom._n 6._o verse_n 4._o the_o cup_n of_o blessing_n which_o we_o bless_v be_v it_o not_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n the_o bread_n which_o we_o break_v be_v it_o not_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n 1._o cor._n 11._o verse_n 16._o the_o parent_n of_o christ_n go_v to_o jerusalem_n every_o year_n at_o the_o feast_n of_o the_o passeover_n luk._n 2._o vers_fw-la 41._o their_o go_n to_o jerusalem_n be_v to_o testify_v their_o religion_n &_o to_o be_v partaker_n of_o the_o sacrifice_n there_o be_v at_o that_o time_n in_o salomon_n temple_n manifold_a corruption_n the_o high_a priesthood_n be_v sell_v for_o money_n many_o of_o the_o jewish_a priest_n be_v ignorant_a yet_o joseph_n &_o the_o virgin_n mary_n be_v not_o pollute_v calu._n luc._n 2._o vers_fw-la 41._o the_o godly_a which_o receive_v the_o holy_a supper_n of_o a_o unpreach_a minister_n be_v not_o partaker_n of_o the_o minister_n unworthiness_n but_o of_o the_o holy_a sacrament_n which_o be_v a_o pillar_n of_o our_o faith_n therefore_o the_o unworthiness_n of_o the_o minister_n do_v not_o defile_v the_o communicant_a alterius_fw-la sive_fw-la pastoris_fw-la sive_fw-la privati_fw-la indignitate_fw-la non_fw-la laeditur_fw-la pia_fw-la conscientia_fw-la etc._n etc._n calu._n institut_fw-la lib._n 4._o cap._n 1._o sect._n 19_o that_o be_v a_o godly_a conscience_n be_v not_o hurt_v by_o the_o unworthiness_n of_o a_o other_o either_o pastor_n or_o private_a man_n neither_o be_v the_o mystery_n less_o pure_a and_o healthful_a to_o a_o holy_a man_n because_o they_o be_v then_o handle_v of_o such_o as_o be_v impure_a ille_fw-la qui_fw-la accipit_fw-la si_fw-la homo_fw-la bone_fw-la ab_fw-la homine_fw-la malo_fw-la si_fw-la fidelis_fw-la à_fw-la perfido_fw-la si_fw-la pius_fw-la ab_fw-la impio_fw-la perniciosumerit_n danti_fw-la non_fw-la accipienti_fw-la illud_fw-la quip_n sanctum_fw-la malè_fw-la utentem_fw-la iudicat_fw-la bene_fw-la accipientem_fw-la sanctificat_fw-la aug._n contra_fw-la cresc_n gram_n lib._n 2._o cap._n 28._o that_o be_v he_o which_o receive_v if_o a_o good_a of_o a_o evil_a man_n if_o a_o faithful_a of_o a_o faithless_a man_n if_o a_o godly_a of_o a_o wicked_a man_n it_o will_v be_v hurtful_a to_o the_o giver_n not_o to_o the_o receiver_n for_o that_o holy_a thing_n he_o mean_v the_o sacrament_n do_v judge_v he_o which_o use_v it_o ill_o but_o do_v sanctify_v he_o which_o receive_v it_o well_o circumcision_n be_v one_o of_o the_o lord_n sacrament_n in_o the_o jewish_a church_n the_o jew_n which_o be_v circumcise_v of_o impure_a priest_n and_o apostate_n receive_v no_o hurt_n therefore_o no_o pollution_n calu._n institut_fw-la lib._n 4._o cap._n 15._o sect._n 16._o the_o sacrament_n neither_o be_v nor_o can_v be_v the_o worse_a for_o the_o ignorance_n or_o unworthiness_n or_o better_o for_o the_o learning_n or_o worthiness_n of_o any_o man_n whatsoever_o whosoever_o think_v otherwise_o be_v a_o donatist_n touch_v this_o point_n of_o the_o sacrament_n i_o rest_v whole_o in_o augustine_n judgement_n his_o word_n be_v these_o ego_fw-la dieo_fw-la meliùs_fw-la per_fw-la bonum_fw-la ministrum_fw-la quàm_fw-la per_fw-la malum_fw-la dispensari_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la divina_fw-la verùm_fw-la hoc_fw-la propter_fw-la ipsum_fw-la ministrum_fw-la melius_fw-la est_fw-la uteis_fw-la rebus_fw-la quas_fw-la ministrat_n vita_fw-la &_o moribus_fw-la congruat_fw-la non_fw-la propter_fw-la illum_fw-la qui_fw-la etiam_fw-la si_fw-la incurrerit_fw-la in_o ministrum_fw-la malum_fw-la dispensantem_fw-la veritatem_fw-la securitatem_fw-la accipit_fw-la à_fw-la domino_fw-la svo_fw-la monente_fw-la ac_fw-la dicente_fw-la quae_fw-la dicunt_fw-la facite_fw-la quae_fw-la autem_fw-la faciunt_fw-la nolite_fw-la facere_fw-la dicunt_fw-la enim_fw-la &_o non_fw-la faciunt_fw-la addo_n etiam_fw-la ad_fw-la hoc_fw-la esse_fw-la melius_fw-la ut_fw-la ille_fw-la cvi_fw-la ministratur_fw-la ministri_fw-la boni_fw-la probitatem_fw-la ac_fw-la sanctitatem_fw-la diligendo_fw-la faciliùs_fw-la imitetur_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la ideo_fw-la veriora_fw-la &_o sanctiora_fw-la sunt_fw-la quae_fw-la ministrantur_fw-la quia_fw-la per_fw-la meliorem_fw-la ministrantur_fw-la illa_fw-la namque_fw-la per_fw-la seipsa_fw-la vera_fw-la &_o sancta_fw-la sunt_fw-la propter_fw-la deum_fw-la verum_fw-la &_o sanctum_fw-la cvius_fw-la sunt_fw-la &_o ideo_fw-la fieri_fw-la potest_fw-la ut_fw-la accedens_fw-la ad_fw-la societatem_fw-la populi_fw-la dei_fw-la alium_fw-la inveniat_fw-la à_fw-la quo_fw-la facilè_fw-la baptizetur_fw-la alium_fw-la eligat_fw-la quem_fw-la salubriter_fw-la imitetur_fw-la certus_n est_fw-la enim_fw-la sanctum_fw-la esse_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la christi_fw-la etiamsi_fw-la per_fw-la minùs_fw-la sanctum_fw-la vel_fw-la non_fw-la sanctum_fw-la hominem_fw-la ministratum_fw-la est_fw-la se_fw-la autem_fw-la eiusdem_fw-la ipsius_fw-la sacramenti_fw-la sanctitate_fw-la puniri_fw-la si_fw-la indignè_fw-la acceperit_fw-la si_fw-la malè_fw-la usus_fw-la fuerit_fw-la si_fw-la ei_fw-la non_fw-la convenienter_fw-la &_o congruè_fw-fr vixerit_fw-la august_n contra_fw-la cresc_n gram._n lib._n 4._o cap._n 20._o the_o sum_n of_o augustine_n word_n be_v that_o the_o sacrament_n be_v administer_v better_a by_o a_o good_a then_o by_o a_o bad_a minister_n yet_o that_o the_o sacrament_n of_o themselves_o be_v true_a and_o holy_a etc._n etc._n by_o what_o minister_n so_o ever_o they_o be_v deliver_v etc._n etc._n if_o any_o shall_v ask_v i_o whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o omit_v the_o partake_n of_o the_o holy_a sacrament_n in_o such_o church_n over_o which_o ignorant_a minister_n be_v set_v and_o to_o present_v ourselves_o and_o our_o infant_n to_o the_o holy_a sacrament_n in_o other_o church_n my_o answer_n be_v that_o i_o refer_v they_o to_o the_o magistrate_n and_o governor_n of_o our_o church_n etc._n etc._n objection_n by_o who_o a_o thing_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v deliver_v by_o another_o it_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v receive_v but_o ignorant_a minister_n ought_v not_o to_o deliver_v the_o sacrament_n therefore_o etc._n etc._n answer_n the_o mayor_n be_v false_a my_o reason_n be_v a_o evil_a man_n ought_v not_o to_o deliver_v the_o word_n of_o god_n but_o we_o ought_v to_o receive_v it_o a_o evil_a man_n ought_v not_o to_o give_v alm_n but_o a_o poor_a man_n may_v receive_v it_o a_o absurd_a minister_n ought_v not_o to_o deliver_v the_o sacrament_n but_o they_o be_v not_o pollute_v which_o receive_v it_o objection_n they_o of_o who_o ministry_n there_o be_v a_o nullity_n before_o god_n although_o they_o have_v a_o outward_a call_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v account_v minister_n therefore_o not_o to_o be_v communicate_v with_o i._o penry_n pag._n 43_o 44._o answer_n i_o deny_v your_o antecedent_n my_o reason_n be_v first_o there_o be_v a_o nullity_n before_o god_n of_o caiphas_n priesthood_n for_o he_o enter_v by_o money_n and_o the_o priesthood_n be_v divide_v between_o he_o and_o annas_n against_o the_o lord_n order_n calu._n luc._n 3._o yet_o caiphas_n be_v call_v the_o high_a priest_n by_o the_o evangelist_n mat._n 26._o joh._n 18._o second_o there_o be_v a_o nullity_n before_o god_n of_o the_o ministry_n of_o some_o in_o philippos_n which_o preach_v christ_n of_o contention_n and_o to_o add_v more_o affliction_n to_o paul_n band_n philip._n chap._n 1._o verse_n 15_o 16._o but_o these_o be_v account_v minister_n by_o the_o apostle_n vers_fw-la 15_o 18._o if_o any_o shall_v deny_v that_o there_o be_v a_o nullity_n before_o god_n of_o their_o ministry_n i_o prove_v it_o thus_o they_o have_v not_o a_o inward_a call_n m._n penry_n say_v that_o a_o inward_a call_n be_v contain_v in_o the_o
edify_a word_n unless_o it_o be_v utter_v according_a to_o the_o ordinance_n both_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o person_n that_o utter_v the_o same_o and_o the_o end_n wherefore_o it_o be_v utter_v chap._n 8._o pag._n 99_o this_o be_v a_o popish_a error_n for_o the_o scripture_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o be_v of_o credit_n in_o itself_o read_v my_o answer_n chap._n 8._o pag._n 102._o m._n penry_n say_v that_o there_o be_v no_o church_n at_o all_o in_o popery_n chap._n 23._o pag._n 175._o 176._o this_o be_v a_o gross_a error_n condemn_v of_o very_o famous_a man_n and_o all_o reform_a church_n if_o there_o be_v no_o church_n at_o all_o in_o popery_n these_o absurdity_n will_v follow_v first_o the_o pope_n be_v not_o antichrist_n second_o the_o infant_n of_o papist_n may_v not_o be_v baptize_v in_o any_o reform_a church_n though_o some_o of_o the_o religion_n do_v present_v they_o to_o baptism_n and_o public_o undertake_v the_o good_a education_n of_o they_o read_v that_o which_o i_o have_v write_v chap._n 17._o pag._n 147._o 148._o 149._o and_o chap._n 23._o pag._n 176._o m._n penry_n say_v that_o if_o there_o be_v a_o church_n in_o popery_n our_o magistrate_n etc._n etc._n be_v schismatic_n inasmuch_o as_o they_o have_v separate_v themselves_o from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n chap._n 17._o pag._n 151._o this_o be_v a_o gross_a and_o popish_a collection_n and_o can_v stand_v with_o the_o duty_n of_o a_o subject_n read_v my_o answer_n chap._n 17._o pag._n 151._o 152._o m._n penry_n write_v that_o man_n in_o the_o popish_a church_n be_v not_o ingraff_v by_o baptism_n into_o a_o true_a christ_n his_o word_n be_v these_o where_o there_o be_v no_o true_a christ_n whereunto_o man_n can_v be_v ingraff_v by_o baptism_n there_o true_a baptism_n as_o touch_v the_o substance_n can_v be_v get_v etc._n etc._n but_o in_o popery_n there_o be_v no_o true_a christ_n whereinto_o man_n may_v be_v ingraff_v etc._n etc._n chap._n 23._o pag._n 173._o this_o be_v a_o gross_a error_n condemn_v of_o all_o famous_a writer_n and_o church_n read_v that_o which_o i_o have_v write_v chap._n 23._o pag._n 173._o &_o 174._o and_o cha_n 20._o pag._n 156._o 157._o master_n penry_n write_v that_o if_o baptism_n administer_v by_o unpreach_v minister_n be_v deny_v to_o be_v a_o sacrament_n he_o will_v wish_v none_o to_o offer_v themselves_o to_o that_o holy_a sacrament_n for_o six_o cause_n first_o we_o be_v already_o receyve_v into_o the_o bosom_n of_o the_o church_n and_o acknowledge_v to_o have_v the_o seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n in_o as_o much_o as_o we_o be_v once_o offer_v and_o receyve_v into_o the_o number_n of_o the_o godly_a by_o the_o outward_a element_n though_o corrupt_o to_o what_o end_n then_o shall_v baptism_n serve_v we_o again_o in_o his_o exhort_v to_o the_o governonr_n etc._n etc._n of_o wales_n pag._n 31._o if_o this_o be_v true_a which_o m._n penry_n say_v the_o outward_a and_o bare_a element_n deliver_v by_o he_o which_o in_o m._n 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ut_fw-la dum_fw-la non_fw-la iustificatur_fw-la in_o conspectu_fw-la eius_fw-la omnis_fw-la vivens_fw-la actionem_fw-la gratiarum_fw-la semper_fw-la indulgentiae_fw-la ipsius_fw-la debeamus_fw-la &_o sic_fw-la ab_fw-la illa_fw-la prima_fw-la causa_fw-la omnium_fw-la vitiorum_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la à_fw-la tumore_fw-la superoiae_fw-la sancta_fw-la humilitate_fw-la sanemur_fw-la august_n de_fw-fr pecus_fw-la mer._n &_o remiss_a contra_fw-la pelag._n lib._n 3._o cap._n 13._o the_o sum_n of_o augustine_n word_n be_v that_o because_o just_a man_n may_v grow_v proud_a almighty_a god_n do_v not_o assist_v they_o in_o some_o particular_n to_o perfect_a righteousness_n that_o they_o may_v be_v thankful_a for_o his_o mercy_n and_o decline_v pride_n etc._n etc._n 6_o the_o scripture_n do_v conclude_v all_o under_o sin_n that_o the_o promise_n that_o be_v everlasting_a inheritance_n by_o the_o faith_n of_o jesus_n christ_n shall_v be_v give_v to_o they_o that_o believe_v galath_n chap._n 3._o verse_n 22._o question_n if_o we_o can_v fulfil_v the_o law_n of_o god_n what_o use_n have_v we_o of_o the_o law_n answer_n by_o the_o law_n we_o understand_v god_n pleasure_n more_o certain_o psal_n 19_o by_o the_o law_n we_o understand_v our_o nakedness_n as_o we_o do_v our_o debt_n by_o a_o obligation_n and_o our_o spot_n by_o the_o look_a glass_n the_o law_n be_v a_o schoolmaster_n to_o bring_v we_o to_o christ_n galath_n chap._n 3._o verse_n 24._o which_o christ_n be_v a_o surgeon_n and_o physician_n to_o the_o wound_a and_o disease_v question_n how_o be_v we_o just_a in_o god_n sight_n answer_n by_o christ_n righteousness_n which_o be_v we_o by_o imputation_n as_o our_o sin_n be_v christ_n by_o imputation_n the_o apostle_n write_v that_o christ_n be_v our_o righteousness_n 1._o corinth_n chap._n 1._o it_o be_v confess_v both_o by_o protestant_n and_o papist_n that_o we_o be_v justify_v by_o grace_n the_o difference_n between_o we_o be_v in_o this_o the_o protestant_n by_o this_o word_n grace_n understand_v god_n favour_n whereby_o our_o sin_n be_v pardon_v by_o which_o mere_a and_o only_a grace_n and_o mercy_n of_o god_n in_o christ_n we_o be_v justify_v in_o god_n sight_n the_o papist_n by_o this_o word_n grace_n understand_v a_o quality_n pour_v into_o our_o heart_n by_o almighty_a god_n by_o reason_n of_o which_o quality_n we_o live_v holy_o and_o be_v justify_v as_o they_o say_v in_o god_n sight_n this_o be_v the_o inherent_a righteousness_n which_o the_o papist_n do_v write_v and_o speak_v so_o much_o of_o we_o which_o be_v the_o protestant_n do_v confess_v that_o that_o righteousness_n which_o be_v a_o effect_n of_o god_n sanctify_a spirit_n and_o the_o fruit_n of_o our_o justification_n before_o god_n be_v inherent_a in_o we_o likewise_o the_o first_o fruit_n of_o our_o glorification_n that_o be_v peace_n of_o conscience_n &_o joy_n in_o the_o holy_a ghost_n that_o righteousness_n whereby_o we_o be_v account_v just_a or_o be_v justify_v or_o be_v make_v just_a before_o god_n be_v not_o inherent_a in_o we_o my_o reason_n be_v we_o be_v make_v righteous_a by_o christ_n obedience_n rom._n chap._n 5._o vers_fw-la 19_o which_o obedience_n of_o christ_n be_v not_o within_o but_o without_o we_o and_o yet_o this_o obedience_n of_o christ_n be_v apprehend_v by_o a_o justify_n faith_n as_o alm_n be_v by_o the_o hand_n of_o a_o poor_a man_n perfect_a righteousness_n shall_v be_v inherent_a in_o we_o if_o we_o can_v keep_v all_o god_n commandment_n as_o exact_o as_o almighty_a god_n require_v the_o best_a man_n be_v and_o be_v short_a in_o that_o only_o our_o lord_n and_o saviour_n jesus_n christ_n which_o be_v free_a from_o sin_n do_v fulfil_v the_o law_n as_o god_n require_v justitia_fw-la nostra_fw-la potiùs_fw-la constat_fw-la remissione_n peccatorum_fw-la quàm_fw-la perfectione_n virtutum_fw-la that_o be_v our_o righteousness_n do_v consist_v rather_o in_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n then_o in_o perfection_n of_o virtue_n august_n de_fw-fr civet_n dei_fw-la lib._n 19_o cap._n 27._o finis_fw-la