Selected quad for the lemma: judgement_n
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A09880
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A consideration of the depriued and silenced ministers arguments, for their restitution to the vse and libertie of their ministerie exhibited in their late supplication, vnto the honorable states assembled in this present Parliament. By Gabriel Powel.
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Powel, Gabriel, 1576-1611.
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STC 20142; ESTC S120763
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honour_n but_o to_o speak_v for_o they_o unto_o his_o excellent_a majesty_n which_o proposition_n they_o have_v labour_v to_o enforce_v by_o sundry_a argument_n but_o how_o happy_o &_o with_o what_o success_n your_o wisdom_n can_v best_o judge_v now_o they_o urge_v that_o it_o will_v please_v your_o honourable_a court_n to_o determine_v somewhat_o in_o their_o behalf_n and_o actual_o to_o decree_n that_o they_o may_v be_v restore_v and_o not_o far_o molest_v how_o singular_o or_o factious_o soever_o they_o shall_v behave_v themselves_o in_o their_o place_n neither_o will_v i_o reprove_v my_o brethren_n for_o disloial_a presumption_n in_o solicit_v your_o honourable_a assembly_n absolute_o to_o determine_v any_o thing_n herein_o which_o they_o know_v his_o majesty_n will_v not_o condescend_v unto_o see_v it_o may_v be_v they_o comprehend_v his_o highness_n under_o the_o general_a term_n of_o court_n of_o parliament_n but_o will_v i_o brief_o answer_v the_o argument_n to_o the_o consequence_n 1._o the_o consequence_n have_v two_o part_n i._o that_o the_o honourable_a court_n of_o parliament_n be_v to_o execute_v justice_n &_o judgement_n which_o i_o grant_v il._n that_o they_o ought_v to_o deliver_v &_o restore_v the_o refractory_a minister_n that_o rest_v to_o be_v prove_v still_o because_o they_o have_v not_o yet_o justify_v their_o cause_n and_o declare_v that_o they_o be_v unjust_o oppress_v nor_o can_v ever_o do_v the_o suppliants_z instance_n it_o be_v abundant_o of_o late_a prove_v that_o all_o the_o late_a proceed_n against_o minister_n in_o repress_v of_o their_o ministry_n and_o in_o deprive_v they_o of_o their_o freeholdes_a be_v contrary_a to_o the_o law_n of_o this_o kingdom_n both_o to_o charta_fw-la magna_fw-la and_o also_o to_o many_o statute_n the_o same_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o oath_n ex_fw-la officio_fw-la of_o many_o of_o the_o late_a canon_n and_o other_o thing_n i_o answer_v 1._o touch_v he_o that_o the_o suppliant_n say_v have_v of_o late_a so_o abundante_o prove_v the_o unlawfulness_n of_o the_o proceed_n against_o the_o refractory_a minister_n i_o be_o out_o of_o doubt_n law_n of_o the_o proceed_n against_o the_o refractory_a minister_n whether_o the_o deprivation_n of_o they_o be_v warrantable_o by_o law_n he_o be_v no_o judge_n nor_o yet_o any_o good_a civilian_n or_o common_a lawyer_n but_o how_o sufficient_o he_o have_v perform_v that_o work_n it_o shall_v god_n will_v short_o appear_v 2._o in_o the_o mean_a time_n i_o will_v propound_v two_o or_o three_o question_n unto_o the_o suppliant_n or_o their_o late_a abundant_a probator_n wherein_o i_o will_v crave_v their_o resolution_n and_o direct_a answer_n i._o quaere_fw-la whether_o the_o church_n under_o christian_a godly_a magistrate_n have_v any_o tribunal_n proper_a unto_o itself_o for_o decide_v of_o controversy_n and_o punish_v of_o such_o person_n as_o shall_v refuse_v the_o ordinance_n thereof_o ii_o quaere_fw-la whether_o so_o many_o judicial_a act_n of_o deprivation_n of_o bishop_n priest_n minister_n from_o their_o benefice_n etc._n etc._n since_o the_o conquest_n to_o the_o time_n of_o magna_fw-la charta_fw-la and_o since_o that_o to_o this_o age_n be_v ever_o hold_v to_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o law_n of_o this_o kingdom_n and_o magna_fw-la charta_fw-la iii_o quaere_fw-la whether_o any_o judge_n of_o this_o realm_n or_o any_o chief_a officer_n learn_v in_o the_o law_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o such_o sentence_n of_o deprivation_n as_o have_v late_o pass_v in_o due_a form_n in_o any_o ecclesiastical_a court_n be_v contrary_a to_o any_o much_o less_o to_o many_o statute_n clear_v a_o place_n of_o magna_fw-la charta_fw-la allege_v by_o the_o suppliant_n clear_v 3._o but_o howsoever_o the_o suppliant_n pretend_v magna_n charta_fw-la cap._n 29._o for_o this_o be_v the_o place_n they_o aim_v at_o as_o i_o think_v where_o it_o be_v say_v no_o free_a man_n shall_v be_v take_v or_o imprison_v or_o be_v disseise_v of_o his_o freehold_n or_o liberty_n etc._n etc._n we_o shall_v not_o pass_v upon_o he_o nor_o condemn_v he_o but_o by_o lawful_a judgement_n of_o his_o peer_n or_o by_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n who_o have_v but_o half_o a_o eye_n do_v not_o evident_o see_v that_o they_o will_v not_o only_o weaken_v but_o also_o subvert_v and_o utter_o overthrow_v the_o whole_a jurisdiction_n ecclesiastical_a the_o sentence_n and_o grave_a determination_n whereof_o be_v never_o yet_o in_o any_o age_n or_o country_n submit_v to_o popular_a trial_n by_o the_o judgement_n of_o peer_n that_o be_v by_o a_o jury_n as_o indeed_o their_o new_a discipline_n and_o presbytery_n can_v stand_v but_o by_o such_o popular_a trial_n and_o assistance_n 4._o yet_o i_o answer_v i._o the_o place_n of_o magna_fw-la charta_fw-la can_v be_v understand_v of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n or_o the_o practice_n thereof_o special_o if_o we_o consider_v the_o end_n why_o that_o law_n be_v make_v or_o the_o time_n when_o the_o end_n be_v this_o that_o the_o king_n of_o this_o realm_n shall_v not_o challenge_v a_o infinite_a and_o absolute_a power_n to_o themselves_o as_o some_o king_n elsewhere_o do_v and_o yet_o do_v without_o judgement_n and_o lawful_a proceed_n to_o take_v away_o any_o man_n liberty_n life_n country_n good_n or_o land_n and_o it_o be_v at_o such_o time_n when_o the_o king_n themselves_o think_v that_o jurisdiction_n ecclesiastical_a be_v not_o in_o right_a no_o more_o than_o it_o be_v in_o fact_n at_o that_o time_n belong_v unto_o the_o crown_n therefore_o in_o that_o it_o be_v there_o say_v we_o will_v not_o pass_v upon_o he_o nor_o condemn_v he_o but_o by_o lawful_a judgement_n of_o his_o peer_n or_o by_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n it_o be_v manifest_a that_o the_o word_n have_v no_o relation_n to_o jurisdiction_n ecclesiastical_a for_o that_o which_o be_v do_v by_o that_o jurisdiction_n be_v not_o at_o that_o time_n take_v to_o be_v do_v by_o the_o king_n or_o by_o his_o authority_n and_o the_o law_n which_o ecclesiastical_a judge_n practise_v be_v not_o then_o hold_v to_o be_v the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n or_o the_o king_n law_n as_o since_o the_o lawful_a and_o necessary_a restitution_n of_o the_o ancient_a right_n in_o that_o behalf_n to_o the_o crown_n they_o be_v often_o call_v the_o king_n or_o queen_n ecclesiastical_a law_n 1._o elizab._n cap._n 2._o &_o alibi_fw-la passim_fw-la etc._n bishop_n may_v deprive_v etc._n etc._n ii_o as_o institution_n unto_o a_o benefice_n both_o before_o and_o after_o magna_fw-la charta_fw-la belong_v always_o to_o ecclesiastical_a person_n and_o jurisdiction_n so_o do_v also_o the_o destitution_n or_o deprivation_n of_o a_o benefice_n by_o the_o common_a law_n for_o cvius_fw-la est_fw-la instituere_fw-la eius_fw-la est_fw-la destituere_fw-la in_o which_o respect_n bishop_n that_o claim_v not_o the_o patronage_n do_v always_o plead_v to_o a_o quare_fw-la impedit_fw-la thus_o nihil_fw-la clamat_fw-la praeter_fw-la institutionem_fw-la &_o destitutionem_fw-la clericorum_fw-la ut_fw-la ordinarius_fw-la etc._n etc._n whereby_o may_v appear_v that_o a_o man_n may_v by_o law_n be_v put_v out_o of_o his_o benefice_n be_v his_o freehold_n otherwise_o then_o according_a unto_o the_o form_n of_o that_o statute_n iii_o a_o ordinary_a in_o his_o diocese_n even_o at_o the_o common_a law_n might_n and_o may_v condemn_v a_o man_n for_o heresy_n whereupon_o be_v commit_v to_o secular_a power_n such_o a_o heretic_n be_v put_v to_o death_n but_o this_o be_v not_o do_v by_o judgement_n of_o his_o peer_n and_o therefore_o those_o word_n of_o magna_fw-la charta_fw-la be_v no_o way_n to_o be_v understand_v of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n iv_o beside_o the_o judgement_n of_o a_o man_n peer_n there_o be_v add_v or_o by_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n which_o permit_v other_o trial_n then_o by_o peer_n as_o by_o battle_n etc._n etc._n v._o and_o now_o see_v all_o jurisdiction_n and_o authority_n in_o this_o realm_n aswell_o ecclesiastical_a as_o temporal_a be_v ever_o in_o right_a but_o now_o be_v absolute_o acknowledge_v and_o be_v in_o fact_n unite_a and_o incorporate_v unto_o the_o crown_n of_o this_o realm_n therefore_o that_o judgement_n that_o be_v due_o give_v by_o the_o jurisdiction_n ecclesiastical_a be_v give_v by_o the_o law_n of_o the_o land_n and_o so_o not_o contrary_a unto_o magna_fw-la charta_fw-la 5._o as_o touch_v those_o many_o other_o statute_n if_o the_o suppliant_n have_v allege_v or_o point_v at_o they_o they_o shall_v have_v receive_v their_o answer_n in_o like_a manner_n lawful_a deprivation_n adjudge_v lawful_a 6._o brief_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o the_o deprivation_n of_o the_o refractory_a minister_n be_v a_o plain_a case_n adjudge_v in_o open_a court_n as_o appeareth_z in_o sir_n edward_n cook_n report_n part_n 5._o in_o caudreies_n case_n according_a unto_o a_o statute_n of_o 1._o elizab._n cap._n 2._o in_o these_o word_n be_v it_o ordain_v and_o enact_v by_o the_o authority_n aforesaid_a that_o all_o