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A41439	A full survey of Sion and Babylon, and a clear vindication of the parish-churches and parochial-ministers of England ..., or, A Scripture disproof, and syllogistical conviction of M. Charles Nichols, of Kent ... delivered in three Sabbath-dayes sermons in the parish church of Deal in Kent, after a publick dispute in the same church with the said Mr. Charles Nichols, upon the 20. day of October 1653 / by Thomas Gage ...	Gage, Thomas, 1603?-1656.	1654 (1654)	Wing G111; ESTC R5895	105,515	104

informed that some have said that my heart is still at Rome whose mouthes must be stopped and those b●ats of spight and envy coming forth from thence like the frogs that came out of the mouth of t●e Dragon of the Beast and of the false Prophet Revel 16. vers 13. must be crushed least from c●oaking at the first they proceed further to poison and envenome that good name and reputation which I hope I have purchased unto my self both by a known affection to the state affairs and Governours and by soundness of Doctrine these ten years that I have lived in Kent where my Teaching hath had the Approbation of all sorts of people of sound judgment who far and near have resorted to me and acknowledged from me the comfortable work of the Ministery uppon their Souls And as for any inclination or bending of my heart or affection to Rome I doubt not but that all England hath taken notice of my writings and actings against that Triple crowned man of sin and his Emissaries the Priests and Iesuites here in England against whom I have been often by Authority commanded up to London to the Sessions held at the old Bayly and without any competent satisfaction from the State have spent and wasted much of my poor estate which should have been my Wives and poor childrens portion and comfort hereafter In which Bell the Franciscan Friar Sanderson alias Holland and Wright both Iesuites and some others whose names are at present out of my memory have been discovered and according to the Laws of the Land brought to condigne punishment at Ty●urn For which service I have been often assaulted and threatned with murther by my bloud thirs●y enemies the Romish Papists to whom Mr. Nichols his party rashly judgeth my heart inclines as unto friends but especially by one Burke an I●ish Gentleman in Alders-gate street and in Shoo-lane by one Captain Vincent Burton who came from Flanders purposely to kill me and had glutted his malice with bloud in my very ch●mber where I lodged had not the ever watching Providence of heaven prevented his murtherous intentions Which dangers threatning my life were well seen and credited by the Right Honourable my Lord chi●f Iustice Rowls when at the execution of Wright the Iesuite he charged one Mr. Thomas Mayo an Officer of the State to guard me during my abode in London and offered me more strength to secure me would I have accepted of it which I refused having constantly about me a Trooper also at my charge well known unto you of this Parish But can my heart be at Rome where if my body were it would be burnt to ashes for my good services to England as were the bones of the Byshop of Spalato after that upon fair promises he returned from England unto the Pope But these somes of malice are against me because I durst dispute with Mr. Nichols a private man and contend as the Saints have formerly done for the truth and because as a Schollar by way of Argument I have granted that the contrary whereof he could not prove nor so much as offered to reply against it to wit that Rome is a Church and true in some substantials though not in her corruptions of Rites foolish ceremonies superstitions and some false Doctrines contrary to the Scriptures Which opinion Beloved I shall never hold tenaciously no● heretically by inhering to it if by sounder judgements I may be convinced of the contrary to whom I shall willingly submit and not disturb as too many do the tender flocks of Iesus Christ. The ground therefore whereon at present I say this Opinion may be grounded and by me was truely intended when I answered Mr. Nichols saying that Rome was and was not a Church in several respects was this First Although it be true that the Councel of Trent convocated in the year 1547. did desperately wound the Church of Rome first in that it did heighten and multiply her damnable errours Secondly in that it did draw all the poison into one entire monster and body of errour and presented it all to the world as the Doctrine of the Church Yet as the dissenting parties from other councels setling the Popes Supremacy communicating in one kinde of worshipping of images disallowing the use of the Bible to the people forbidding Priests to marry and in England Mr. Iohn Wickliffs Tenents as I have shewed before were ground sufficient to discover a party a people a Church in Rome and in England which Mr. Nichols himself opposed not but rather seem to grant it then the like may be said since the councel of Trent for if any have opposed or dissented from or disallowed that councel they must be said to disallow those damnable errours that poison drawn into one entire monster and body of errour But many there are who have opposed dissented from and disallowed that councel Ergo They must be said 'to disallow those damnable errours that poison drawn into one entire monster and body of errour The Minor is known to such as have travailed beyond the Seas and no doubt to all learned Divines who have perused such Bookes as do lay down the State of Rome since the councel Wherein they shall finde that the whole Kingdom of France to this day hath opposed that councel besides many other learned Divines and among them the whole University of the Sorbonites at Paris who unanimously and strongly maintain the Oath of Allegiance to Kings Princes Governours of Nations against the Pope and so vigorously have opposed the Popes supremacy voted in the councel of Trent that had not Vrban the Eight complyed with the Court of Paris when Cardinal Richlieu was in his height of command and prosperity either he ●imself or one Friar Ioseph a Capuchin had been made Antipope for France and all Addresses to the Pope of Rome had been forbidden to the people of France in general at which they have been aiming these many years and I believe will ere long effect it if this Cardinal at present Mazarini continue in favour and keep close Prisoner that Popes great favourite Cardinal de Retz such is the regard that Kingdom hath to the councel of Trent to the Popes supremacy ●etled by it The same Oath of Allegiance hath been vigorously maintained and the Popes supremacy strongly denied these many years in England by some also of the Popish Religion as by Mr. Roger Widrington in his Apology but especially by the order of the Bendictines amongst whom Price the superiour of that family in England and before him Doctor Preston a Prisoner formerly in the Clinke who being excommunicated by the Pope for his opinion was by King Iames protected against the Pope the like Sir William Howard otherwise a Papist hath opposed in print all these slighting the councel of Trents determination as a point of faith and disregarding the Popes thundering out excommunications against them Besides these what dissenting parties must needs be there whereas many

and have denied my Minor which immediately I proved thus from St. Paul to the Hebrews 4. Argument St. Paul in Hebr. 6. Chap. vers 1 2. sets down with Baptisme Imposition of hands to be a Principle of th● Doctrine of Christ. But Baptisme because it is a Principle of the Doctrine of Christ ●ught never by any Churches to be omitted to the end of the World Ergo Imposition of hands by the Presbytery in Ordination also ought never by any Churches to be omitted to the end of the World Here Mr. Nichols began to perceive his errour and want of knowledge in the Scriptures when he denied the Minor and that Imposition of hands by the Presbytery was a Doctrine of the Principles of Christ which being made clear unto him he could give no answer to it and so my Syllogisme was in the discretion and sound judgement unanswerable and unanswered But Mr. Nichols his Moderatour perceiving the unresistible force of the Arment and seeing his friends mouth almost shut up spoke a word to this purpose that it was doubted by some Authours whether that place of Paul H●br 6. vers 1 2. did intend Imposition of hands by the Presbytery in Ordination or some other end in Imposition of hands in that place To whom I ●ad replied had not Mr. Nichols his mouth begun to open again for my beloved some of the Authours which understand that place of Paul not of Imposition of hands in Ordination but to some other end intend that end to be Imposition of hands by the Byshop in Confirmation whose judgement I cannot follow neither will Mr. Nichols or his Moderatour dare to follow that Opinion unless they will acknowledge Bishops again amongst us to Confirm and Bishop our Children that such a Principle of the Doctrine of Christ in that sense may not be omitted in our Churches Which I am sure Mr. Nichols his Moderatour whom I respect as a Divine of sound judgement doth not allow but onely to strengthen his friend in his weakness and that in the mean time he might recollect him●elf for some better answer was pleased to make such a motion and put in such a Ca●●at Some other Authours understand that place of Paul Hebr. 6. vers 1.2 to mean laying on of hands on the sick which the Church of Rome continues to this day superstitiously maintaining extream Unction and anointing the sick with Oyl hallowed by their Bishops Either of which Opinions had Mr. Ni●h●●● insisted on I should soon have shewed him his errour and such a second trouble to have befallen him as the Poet speaketh off saying Incidit in Scyllam cupiens vitare Charybdin and as the Iews spake to Pilate So the last errour shall be worse than the first Matth. 27. vers 64. This beloved I do mention but to call you to minde to remember it that you may take notice how with the strength yea evidence of my Argument which truely to me is undeniable Mr. Nichols was put to his shifts And so indeed after a while he betook himself to another shift saying that Imposition of hands by the Presbytery in Ordination had been so abused and corrupted by the Bishops and by the Church of Rome that now by the Godly it was thought fit to be omitted and laid aside Ah beloved and can this answer perswade any sound Conscience to slight a Principle of the Doctrine of Christ Must Bishops or Romes corruptions make us more corrupt Must their corruptions make us deny our Principles Might not Mr. Nichols as well have answered that because the Church of Rome hath corrupted baptisme with Rites and Superstitious Ceremonies therefore we ought utterly to forsake to forget slight and omit baptism which also is a Principle of the Doctrine of Christ Surely for all this his answer you will be unwilling to deprive your Children of baptisme so purely and rightly administred in England because in Rome it is corrupted And so shall I for all this poor shift of Mr. Nichols be as unwilling to deny Imposition of hands by the Presbytery in Ordination as a Principle of the Doctrine of Christ because in Rome it is corrupted with anointing with Oyl the thumbs and fore-fingers of the Priests and with other foolish superstitious needless Rites and Ceremonies never practised by the Apostles But yet to shew Mr. Nichols his folly in this answer I demanded of him why then if he made such scruple of us Ministers who had been ordained by Bishops formerly with their Presbyters and of those Reverend Presbyters who in some places of this Land did still ordain without Bishops why then had he not the Imposition of hands by some Ministers nearer in judgement unto himself who had been beyond the Seas in Holland and doubtless there were ordained by some purer Presbyters who never succeeded Bishops These at least might better have ordained him than the people who have no power to ordain nor any power of the Keyes But this last Mr. Nichols denying and affirming the power of the Keyes to be in the people I replied against it thus 5. Argument The power of the Keyes wheresoever it is must be in that Subject which Christ hath ordained But Christ ordained not the people to be the Subject of the Keyes Ergo The people are not the Subject of the power of the Keyes The Major Proposition he granted and the Minor without any distinction at all he denied To which I replied If Christ ordained the people to be the subject of the power of the Keyes then the people must needs be the proper subject of the power of the Keyes But the people are not the proper subject of the power of the Keyes Ergo Christ ordained not the people to be the subject of the power of the Keyes The Major was granted and the Minor was yet denied to the which I replied with another Syllogisme If the people are the proper subject of the power of the Keyes than they are th● first subject of the power of the Keyes But the people ●re not the first subject of the power of the Keyes Ergo The people are not the proper subject of the power of the Keyes This Minor also he denied that the people were not the first subject of the power of t●● Keyes till a friend whispering him in the ear made him to see and ●●flect upon his oversight and better to consider what he had denied But I forthwith replied against him thus If the people were the first subject of the power of the Keyes then the power of the Keyes was in them first and before it was in the Apostles converting and baptizing them But the power of the Keyes was not in the people first and before it was in the Apostles converting and baptizing them Ergo The people are not the first subject of the power of the Keyes Here beloved Mr. Nichols finding himself by this Syllogisme quite cast upon his back followed his whispering friends as is supposed good counsel and though

other And therefore his Church may well be called a flying a wandring Church limited to no particular place as are our Parish Churches and were the Churches in the Primitive times But if he say his Church is not to be called by his Name but by the place and so will call it the Church at Adisham and where in any other place some of his Members live they are to be called Limbs to his Church at Adisham and single congregations belonging to that Church I answer two things First that he must know whither a better and abler Pastour that lives at Adisham and the people or his Church will allow that the Church at Adisham shall be known and named by two or three or four at most belonging to Mr. Nichols and not by the Major part pertaining to the chief Parish Pastour But secondly I answer if Mr. Nichols his Church be thus built up with several single Congregations in divers parts belonging to one chief building at Adisham then Mr. Nichols will go beyond us and turn Episcopal and make Adisham his Metropolitan seat and other places Limbs of it Or then Mr. Nichols will begin to jump with our Ministery and will I hope in time turn a Classical man making Adisham his Classical or Provincial Church and others of his Congregation in divers places homogeneal parts of that his Classical Church Which if he yield not to I must judge his building and his house to be contrary to the rule and practise of the Apostles and to savour too much the practise of the Jesuites 5. Errour A fifth errour in Doctrine taught by him which is Popish Jesuitical Jewish and Turkish is that his people or Congregation must be bound to hear none other preach but himself or such as are of his Iudgement Which errour how gross and Antichristian it is I leave you to judge when hereby he limits Gods hand and working to him●elf a sin formerly of the Jews who are said to Limit the holy one of Israel and he binds God to do good to those poor Souls by no other means nor instruments save by himself or such as are of his judgement But alas the poor silly people understand not the depth of this Popish policy borrowed from the Pope who excommunicates all such ipso facto as shall hear any of our Pro●estant Preachers to pre●ch least by hearing us they should hear somewhat against the Popes wicked practises so by means of our preaching they should be drawn from his obedience The same is Mr. Nichols his policy in binding his people from hearing us least we should undeceive and take away the vail of ●overing cast upon those poor blinded Souls and bring them to the acknowledging of the truth and detect the Antichristian practise and untruth in that policy and so they may recover themselves out of the snare who are taken captive by him at his will 2 Tim. 2. vers 26. Is not this to be like the Jews limited to Ierusalem onely and to the Temple there Is this to ●orship God neith●r in this mountain nor at Jerusalem but every where and in any place in spirit and in the truth John 4. vers 21 23. But this practise is not onely the Popes and the Jews in limiting the peoples spirits to himself and to the place where he teacheth but it is also the Turks policy who to continue and maintain the Alcoran and Mahom●ts laws upon pain of death keeps the Turkish people from resorting to any exercise or Preaching amongst the Christians And lastly this practise is meer Iesuitical borrowed from the Jesuites who binde their Ghostly Children from confessing to any Parish Priest or Friar and in case they finde that they have confessed any sin to their Parish Priest they make them renew again to them that Confession and discover to them that sin or sins confessed to another pretending that they cannot guide their lives well nor direct them the right way to Heaven unless they know the whole state of their lives and all their sins in the whole course of their life committed and for Preaching they must resort to their Sermons and to their Churches and to no other upon pain of being cast out of their Society and incurring their curse and heavy displeasure But what do I weary you beloved with longer Histories to condemn these Popish and Jesuitical practises in Mr. Nichols his house of God as he calls it I am confident did but Mr. Nichols know that though these be his practises they are borrowed from the Jesuites and the like to be practized by them he would abhor them and his people loath them Ah beloved he thinks his Arguments against us are his own his practise in drawing the people from our Parishes is his own light his grounds to separate from us are his own but little thinks he how he pleaseth the Pope and Jesuite in what he doth little thinks he that all his Arguments against us and all his practises have come from that subtil Serpentine brood of the Jesuites who study nothing but to overthrow our Church to undermine our Discipline to root up our Nurseries of learning to bring under contempt our Learned Clergy who have alwayes opposed Rome and with their Pens discovered their errours to the World This the Jesuite considering and fearing our Unity our Uniformity in Church and Church Discipline least by it we should flourish too much hath these many years blown the fire of our discords stirring up the people against the true Ministery covertly committing privily to the Press those scruples which Mr. Nichols and others like him make their best advantage against us little dreaming from what brain they first did spring I have often spoken of it in private and Preached it in publick Sandwi●h may remember it that at the beginning of the last Parliament when our differences began in Church and State at what time I had freer access ingress and egress to the Spanish Ambassadours house Don Alonso de Cardenas by name than now I dare enjoy or do desire to make use of there were then harboured in that house at least fourty Priests and Jesuites a List of whose names I gave to some of our State Rulers but the Jesuites more peculiarly had a place by themselves having bought a Back-house joyning to the Glass-house by London Wall from the which they made a passage into the Lord Rivers his house where the said Ambassadour did then live a full Description whereof I gave to Sir Henry Mildmay both of the left hand at the coming in to the house and of the Bell at the door of this close Colledge wherein at that time two Jesuites were imployed in nothing but in Printing dayly Pamphlets one against another the one egging on the Separation and Independency the other coldly and weakly holding up with slight Arguments the Church and Ministery of England and all this unknown to us from whence or from whom those Pamphlets came and we ignorant