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the_o answerer_n appeal_v from_o their_o council_n and_o sense_n of_o their_o church_n to_o the_o sentiment_n of_o some_o private_a author_n and_o this_o i_o confess_v be_v a_o just_a exception_n against_o the_o answer_n if_o it_o be_v true_a but_o i_o challenge_v he_o to_o give_v any_o one_o instance_n of_o it_o wherein_o the_o answerer_n have_v set_v up_o the_o judgement_n of_o private_a author_n against_o the_o declare_a sense_n and_o judgement_n of_o their_o council_n and_o church_n he_o have_v indeed_o quote_v several_a of_o their_o author_n and_o to_o very_o good_a purpose_n as_o to_o give_v a_o account_n of_o matter_n of_o fact_n and_o what_o the_o practice_n of_o their_o church_n be_v and_o what_o opinion_n wise_a man_n among_o they_o have_v of_o such_o practice_n to_o which_o purpose_n he_o cite_v some_o french_a author_n wicelius_n and_o vives_n p._n 27_o 28._o which_o our_o reflecter_n be_v so_o much_o grieve_v at_o or_o to_o give_v a_o historical_a account_n of_o the_o 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