or lesse in dignitie and Christ offering his body and blood for the quicke and deade and giuing power to those whome he made preists to doe that which hee then did Hoc facite doe you this which I doe preists also must needs haue that power and that power be the proper office of Holy preisthood For at that time were the Apostles made preists otherwise we doe not finde where any power is communicated vnto them to be ministers of this soe commaunded and recommended sacracrament And otherwise S. Thomas not present when the wordes of binding and losing were spoken vnto the Apostles was not a preist in the doctrine of protestants admitting nothinge but scriptures in such cases Neither can those wordes whosâ— syns you forgiue they are forgiuen and whose syns you retayne they are retayned confer that power which belongeth to preists if they were not to offer sacrifice but onely to minister sacraments in the Religion of protestants which doe not teach that either the preist or sacrament but the faith of the Receauer forgiueth syns And soe essentiall it is to preisthood to offer sacrifice that those which in our languadge we call preists sacrifice and altar bee in other tonges things inseperable and Correlatiues both in name and deed Thusiastis Thusia Thusiastâ—rion sacrificer sacrifice and place where there sacrificer or preist offereth sacrifice Which inseperable connexion betweene sacrifice and altar preist and sacrifice D. Morton before acknowledgeth in these wordes We cannot dislike tâ—â— sentence of D. Reynoldes concerning the mutuall MortoÌ„ App. pa. 16â— l. 2. ca. 6. sect 1. Reinolds confer pag. 550. Relation and dependance betweene an altare and sacrifice But graunt that altar doth as naturally and necessarily inferr a sacrifice as a shrine doth a Saint a father a sonne And further these Cardinall Bellarmine said truly viz sacrifice and preistood are Relatiues Therefore seing Relatiues bee inseperable preisthood and to offer sacrifice cannot bee deuided but inuiolably vnited and coniected together Therefore the holy generall Councell denied such by these protestants before defineth thus The forme Conc. Flor. in vnion of preisthood is this Receaue power to offer sacrifice in the church for the liuing and deade in the name of the father and of the sonne and of the holy ghost Neither is this by these protestants other doctrine then was taught from the beginninge but it was euer soe constantly and generall taught in the church that it was adiuged and condemned for heresie in Aërius to deny yt D. Felds wordes thereof are these Arius condemned the custome of the church in Feild p. 138 l 3. cap. 29. Couell exaÌ„ pag. 114. naminge the deade at the Altâ—r and offerringe the Sacrifice of Eucharist for them for this his â—ash and inconsiderate boldnes and presumption in condemning the vniuersall church of Christ hee was iustâ—y condemned Therefore protestants haue noe preisthood they are iustly condemned for hereticks by their owne censure and the Romane sacrificing preisthood both by the present and primatiue vniuersall church of Christ is most holy Which is further confirmed by these protestants authorities first their allowed greeke church censureth these The doctrine Feild of that church Gennad Schol. def 5 c. 3. Feild p. 238 Hull Rom. pol pa. 86. Middleton papistom p. 64 45. 46. 51. 47. 48. 49. Relation of Religion Casau resp ad Card. per p. 51. 52. c of purgatorie prayer sacrifice for the deade was a tradition of the Apostles equall with the worde of God as D. Feild writeth M. Hull saith Leo S. Leo the Pope appointed Masses for the deade M. Middleton saith It was a tradition of the primatiue church receaued from the fathers to pray for the deade and begg mercye of God for them the deade were prayed for in the publick liturgies of Basile Crisostome and Epiphanius And their Relator wittnesseth that these Masses and forme of sacrifice were publick in the church Therefore M Isaac Casaubon calling yt the Religion of our kinge and saying he writeth by the kings commaund and from his mouth writeth these neither is the kinge ignorant nor denâ—eth that the fathers of the primatiue church did acknowledge one sacrifice in Christian Religion that succeeded in the place of the sacrifices of Moses lawe D. Morton goeth higher euen to the Rabbins before Christ graunting with his frend MortoÌ„ app in sacrifice c. MortoÌ„ app pa. 395. l â— Theodore Bibliander that they taught this sacrifice of the Christians and called yt Thoda And hee addeth these These testimonies of Rabbi Cahana Rabbi Iuda Rabbi Simeon are such if yetâ— they were such that they make soe directly for the Romish article of transsubstantiatioÌ„ that the most Romish Dostors for the space of allmoste a thousand yeares after Christ did not in soe expresse termes publish this mistery to the world They are more playne and pregnant for transsubstantion then are the sayings of transsubstantiators themselues pag. 396. Hitherto D. Morton And therefore allthough I now dispute for a sacrificing preisthood and externall sacrifice not of transubstantiation or what it is in particular that being impertinent to my present purpose yett because D. Couell with publick allowance before hath told M. Morton that preists to vse Couell def pag. 8â— his wordes Haue power imparted to them by God ouer Christs naturall body which is himselfe which antiquitie doth call the making of Christs bodie it hath to dispose of that flesh which was giuen for the life of the worlde and that blood which pag. 105. was powred out to redeeme soules And M. Casaubon graunteth for our kinge and their protestaÌ„ts church that the sacrifice offered by preists is Christs bodye to vse his wordes the same obiect Casaub sup pag. 50. 51. and thinge which the Romane church beleeueth Therefore I say because D. Morton acknowledgeth himselfe but an Alephbethorian in MortoÌ„prâ—aÌ„ Hebrue not able to Iudge of those Rabbines and I may not dispute but by protestants his fâ—end and fellowe protestant Franciscus Starearus Hebraicae literaturae callentissimus most excellent in Hebrue learninge as the Franck fort protestant allowers of those Rabbines name hâ—m Praefat. prot in p. Gâ—l FraÌ„â—â— furâ—i An. 1602. and they themselues are wittnesses doe call those and other testimonies of the Rabbines before Christ. Irrefragabilia testimonia vndeniable testimonies of the kingdome of Christ that all men except madd against the Religion of Christ might knowe the truthe Therefore by all kinde of Testimonies in the Iudgment of these protestants as scriptures traditions Councells the whole church of Christ holy fathers and the protestant proceedings themselues the sacrificing preistood of the Romane church is Stat. An. 8. Eliz. cap. 1. Foxe in Ed. 6. Regist eâ—d pereg in LoÌ„d Reinol Caluinot Resp lustit english minâ—sters in state of treason protestaÌ„tâ—â—n felony by their doctrine Method pataren l. decret ab init Iams Manuscrip in Canâ—trig lawfull sacred and moste reuerent And
Ministery and worship The protestant Authors of the defence of the ministers reasons Defencâ— epist dediâ— for refusall of subscription tell vs very many points are contrary to the word of God And add in this maner if the Questions bee of noe substance toyes and trifles what meaneth such vrdginge and pressing of tâ—em and the more sâ—uere punishingâ— of the not obseruinge them then of the weightiest matters not of our lawe but of the lavve of God it selfe vvâ—at meane all those dyuers and lardge treatises dayly published by them that call them trifles in tâ—eir defence if trifles soe seriously to mayntayne them argueth want of iudgment to knovve vvhat is meete to bee done They might haue added alsoe want of Religion and iustice to denounce soe many seuerall excommunications for things not materiall as before are cited Neither can the condition of these men by any morall iudgment in their owne proceedings bee otherwise for hauing generally by their allowed Articles princes letters patents Statutes and such protestant Consistories vncanonized diuers bookes of holy scriptures condemning diuers of their errors denyed diâ—â—ne traditions the vnwritten worde of God the infallible authoritie and iudgment of generall Councells in matters of faithe the supreame commaunding power of the Apostolicke See of Rome endowed with greatest priuiledges from Christ our Sauiour not regarding the doctrine of the learned primatiue fathers but condemning these and all Churches of Error in Religion and fantastically making their owne priuate spirits erroneous iudgment and deductions from false translations of scriptures They must needs fall to these prophane absurdities of lying deceauing willfull corruptions falsifications and the like vngodly and vnchristian dealings or els manifest and lay open their Heresies and moste straunge innouations to the vewe of the whole worlde euen the moste simple and ignorant whome they haue abused and seduced by such practizes I will onely exemplifie in towe protestant writers D. Willet and M Parkes both writing with priuiledge and publicke allowance one against the other and either of them taxing the other in this kinde of impietie as followeth M. Parkes writing but against one little booke published by this D. Willet named Lymbomastix denyinge the Article of Christs discent into hell hath these words Holy scripture is much Parâ—es sect 5. 8. pag 14 144 1â—9 71. sect 22. 5. 7. abused corrupted and straungely peruerted they intrude into the text the holy scriptures are belyed the scripture abused falsefyed the originall greeke yt selfe clyppâ—d in citing scriptures words are left out they inuert the scriptures to serue their turne Holy scripture is much abused straungely peruerted notoriously depraued belyed manifestly wrested c. How holy fathers and such authorities are delt with by this doctor in that treatise Parkes sup against lymb p. 70 151 def of 3. test sect 〈…〉 def of 1. 2 test p 2 â— seâ—t 18 21 p 181. 166. 101. 100. def of 2â— place sect 10 11. 20. def of 3. test sâ—ct 7. 12. 15. 16 c pag. 7. 10 19. 20. 21. 22. 23. 24 25. pag. 28. def of 1. 2. 3. testim c. Parâ—â—s Apolog sup epist. dedic hee writeth thus Hee condemneth all the auntient fathers for dreamers condemneth all the fathers Hee condemneth all learneb and Godly diuiâ—as for enemies of Christs crosse and blaâ—pâ—emâ—rs of his passion Hee iustifieth mâ—ste wickeâ— Hereticks and condemneth moste holy fathers Hâ—e falsely translateth corrupteth indignely hanâ—letâ— clippeth shamely corrupteth iniuriously hanâ—leth greately abuseth vntruely alleadgeth mayneth mistranslateth much abuseth notably corrupteth c. S. Augustine Origen S. Ambrose S. Chrisostome S. Leo S. Hierome Tertullian S Bernard c. And speaking generally of their protestant writers hee writeth in this maner Euery man maketh Religion the handmayde of his affections Wee may say novv that there are soe many faithes as vvills and soe many doctrines as maners of men vvhiles either vvee vvrite them as vvee list or vnderstand them as vvee please in soe much that many are brought to their vvitts ends not knowinge what to doe Men say they know wâ—ome to flye but whome to follow they cannot tell This age is the last and worst wherin heresie and infidelitie ioyne and labour to subuert and ouerthrowe all grounds of Christian Religion by their doctrine and life their moste zelous followers are become irreligeous to God irreuerent towards man discentious in opinions disorderous in maners Religion it selfe is brought to a matter of meere dispute and altercation Not without feare leaste it befall vnto vs as it did vnto the builders of babel or to the brethren of Gadines For as the end of scisme is sect 16. heresie soe is the end of heresie Atheisme The profession of the Ghospell is made a cloke wherewith to couer the sowle prophanation of yt Hitherto some testimonies from M. Parkes The Citations of like nature from his Aduersarie protestant D. Willet are too many and tedious in this kinde to bee related Therefore to giue some coniecture of them I will onely sett downe the Title of his booke which followeth in this Willet titu Lordoromast maner Loidoromastix that is a scourge for a Rayler conteyning a full and sufficient Answeare vnto the vnchristian Raylings slaunders vntruthes and other iniurious imputations vented of late by one Richard Parkes â—aster of arts against the Author of Lymbomastix wherein three â—undred Raylings errors contradictions falsisications of fathers corruptions of scripture â—ith other grosse ouersights are obserued out of the saide vncharitable discourse by Andâ—â—vv Willet Professor of â—iuinitie Hitherto the onely Title of this priuiledged protestant Booke What stuffe is conteyned in the whole worke of this kâ—â—de and how common a thinge it is for protestant writers to dissemble corrupt falsefie mistranslate miâ—apply c. scriptures fathers and other authorities to aduantage their cause by such deâ—linges may bee iudged by publicke priuiledge and allowance giuen to such writings Therefore I shall lawfully conclude this qâ—estion with thes words of M. Ormerod concerningâ— Ormer pict purit g. 4. protestants They fill the margents of their bookes fâ—ll of places of scriptureâ— in a wrong sence that â—y this meanes â—â—ey might more easely deceaue the simple people they neâ—ther care for maior minor nor conclusion soâ— they may say some thinge theâ— point their mergent with sâ—amefull abuâ—nge of scripture And to shew these dealings to bee vsuall nor onely in obscurer places but in their vniâ—ersiâ—ie themselues cheefâ—st places of learninge amonge â—â—em in the epistle dedicatorie of the same worke hee writeth thus There is a straunge maner of preaching Ormer sup pict purâ— epist. dâ—â—ic in vse in many places â—othe in tâ—e vniuersities and els wâ—ere 〈◊〉 tâ—ough thâ— puâ—pit were but a sâ—â—â—â—olde in which the preaâ—â—er like a Mastâ—r â—ssâ—nce were to play his prizes and as though the scripture were but a rattle for Children and fooles to make sporte withall hee tosseth it hither and thither and will not sayle to
preisthood which your new learninge and womanly diuinitie haue pronownced treasonable And your present protestant Archbishop and all others directors of M. Mason teaching that all Archbishops Mâ—son episâ— dedicator of Canterbury before your first pretended and protestantlie made Bishop Matthew parker were from S. Mason in câ—nsâ—crat of Matthew parker Suecliffe pag dâ—â—ell pag. 4. 5. Feild l of the church Masâ—n supr Augustine consecrated after the Romane maner and otherwise then you practise must bee of the same opinion for our preists were made by them And as D. Sutclisfe D. Feild M. Mason and others testifie by this forme Receaue power to offer sacrifice for the quick and the deade which is now vsed in the church of Rome in which noe treason but much spirituall power and honor is conteyneth And such as it enforceth your present Ministery by all pretence Statut. An. 27 Elizab cap 1. Mâ—sm Sutclâ—â—eild sup c. they can to clayme though with note of treason their callinge from that ordination And such that it maketh the lawful soe ordered to bee soe honorable that a cheife doctor in your Religion hath written of them in thes most D Couell def of hooker pag. 87 reuerend termes â—o thes parsons God imparteth power ouer his misticall bodye which is the societie of soules and ouer that naturall which is himselfe for the knittinge of bothe in one which Antiquitie doth call the making of Christs bodie By blessinge visible elements it Couell sup pag. 105. maketh them inuisible grace it giueth daily the holy ghost it hath to dispose of that flesh which was giuen for the life of the worlde and that blood which was powred out to redâ—eme soules Couell sup pag. 87 88. 91. it is a power which neither prince nor potentate kinge nor Caesar on earth can giue Then this state a function soe honorable with God and renowned in his holie church by the sentence of your owne doctors may not bee condemned for a state of Treason And soe manie Reuerend preists aboue one hundred and twentie besides diuers of Religious orders miserablie tortured and putt to death for that onelie cause in Englang since that Edics of Queene Elizabeth were not Traytors and malefactors but happie Saints and blessed Martyrs And your protestant persecution in puttinge soe manie the fourth third part or more of that little companie to that cruell death with other manifold Afflictions vppon your contrie Catholicks hath giuen occasion for straungers to thinke and a famous protestant amonge you to write in this maner The sufferings and S. Edwyne Sandes in his Booke Relation of the state of Religion cap. 31. Martyrdomes of English Catholicks in thes times are accoÌ„pted to the height of Neroes Dioclesians persecutions and the sufferings on their side both in meritts of cause in extremitie of Torments and in constancie and patience to the renowned martyrs of that heroicall church age Which noe man can denie if hee consider how manie hundred yeares wee enioined peace honor renowne aboue the third part of the possessions and reuenewes of this kingdome with all Bishopricks Monasteries and church liuings with their priuiledges and prerogatiues Hollnish hist. in will Conq Speed ib. Booke of Domesday c. And now are not onelie spoiled and depriued of them all but stiled branded and reproached with such Infamous titles additioâ—s slaunders and miseries as neuer any such example can bee produced of like and soe longe persecutions prosecuted against the auncient possessioners of Religion and religeous preeminences by soe late and new inuention by straungers or enemies much lesse by contrimen add professors of Christianitie And yett his maiesties regall sentence is my minde was K speach in parlam 19. of marrh An. 1603. euer free from persecution or thrallinge of my subiects in matters of conscience And againe Correction without instruction which as before you cannot sufficientlie giue vnto vs is but tirannie And writinge against Contadus vorstius the dutche hereticke proueth that if Catholicks should bee in error yett they are soe far from deseruing persecution and persecution of such nature that their case needeth not fraternall or frendly correption or admonition The wordes of his Censure bee thes If the subsect of vorstius his heresies DeclaratioÌ„ An. D. 1612. in the cause of D. Conrud vorst pag. 46. 47. had not beene grownded vppon questions of an higher qualitie then touching the number and nature of the sacraments the point of iustification of meritts of purgatorie of the visible heade of the church or any such matters as are in controuersie at this day betwixt the papists vs wee doe freely professe wee should neuer haue troubled our selues with the busines in such fashion And yett all which was done therin was but a gentle and frendlie Admonition without any breache of peace leaque or amitie with that people Isaac Casaub resp ad epist. Cardi Per. in praefat Feild l. of the church Your Champion Casaubou that hath priuiledge soe often to call his doctrine the faith of our kinge the faith of the english church telleth you that thes controuersies cannot bee determined without a generall councell to whome D. Feild subscribeth and attributeth onely to that power to define and punish for such things And next to that yeeldeth primarie doth of Iudgment and to bee obeyed to the church of Rome his Feild supr l. 4. cap. 5. words bee thes Yt is more to bee respected and reuerenced then the authoritie of catholicke doctors and Bishops or other apostolicke churches Casaubon well knowinge the weakenes Casaubon supr of your cause addeth first because you haue noe hope of a generall cowncell that soe greate libertie of writinge one against an other might cease againe hee wisheth that seueris legibus â—trinque coerceretur that it were brideled on each side with seuere lawes Then you know by your owne doctors and Iudgments how greate and not to bee named offence it is with seuere lawes or edicts to commaunde and execute soe vndue and rigourous persecutions against them whome you cannot Iudge or condemne not being condemnable But because after soe manie humble and earnest suites and petitions english Catholicks can finde noe hope of other triall but to make their professed Enemies in this case and persecutors their Masters teachers accusers Iudges and and sentencers I am enforced to accept that moste vnequall and vnreasonable conflict to make your owne present protestant writers and proceedings Iudges betweene them and vs in their owne cause knowinge they dare not LactaÌ„t firdiuin insti l. 4. de vera sapient ca. 12. Morton in appeale ep dedicat with any impudencie denye against the light reason and the christian philosopher that it is an inuincible argument to proue truthe which is graunted or made by enemies themselues especiallie seing by their common Harolde Doctor Morton they haue publicklie proclaimed yt in thes wordes The assistance of learned aduersaries wee
admitt for the greatest reason of satisfaction For if it bee held an excellent point of phisicke ex vipera theriacâ—m to turne poâ—son into an Antidote against poyson and in God accompted an highe degree of vengeance to turne the Egyptians against the Egyptians and in Dauid celebrated as a principall matter of triumphe to cutt of Goliah his heade with his owne sworde and in Christ obserued as an vnansweareable matter of conuiction to iudge the euill seruant by his owne mouthe and acknowledged in S. Paule as the moste expedite meanes of confutation of the men of Crete to oppose against them their owne c. And yett to giue them more aduantage I wil demonstrate onelie by those english writers and proceedings of their protestant Religion which haue beene printed published or allowed amonge them synce his maiesties cominge into England and principallié within the first sixe or seuen yeares thereof that english Catholicks soe greuously punished for refusinge to communicate with their contrie protestants in sacraments seruice sermons or exercises of their Religion cannot doe yt by their owne Iudgments nor they exact yt without moste greuous deadelie and damnable syn And because I freelie acknowledge myselfe a preist of the Romane church and offer to defend or proue against all protestants or other Enemies the moste honorable dignitie of that sacred function And your proceedings propose oathes to trie the loialtie of english preists and Catholicks knowinge that wee will rather suffer deathe and all miseries as wee haue done then to sweare any the leaste things which wee thinke vntrue Beinge now come to my decaying time tree and fistie yeares of age doe take and leaue behinde mee as a memoriall of my Innocencie this ensuing oathe and desire it bee named An oathe of a Catholicke preist his true alleadgeancie to kinge and contrye Humblie submittinge my Iudgment in all religeous doctrine with all true ChristiaÌ„s to our mother church of Rome a Rule Kings spâ—acâ— in hâ—â—â— parlament to all both in doctrine and ceremonies as his maiesties publicke censure is I protest in verbo veritatis takinge God and the whole Court of heauen to wittnes that I neuer committed in deed word or consent any treason or conspiracie either against our kinge Iames his maiestie whose moste dutifull and obedient subiect in all ciuill obedience I humblye acknowledge myselfe and soe entreate to bee accepted of him or against Queene Elizabeth his predecessor or any forreyne prince in whose dominion I haue lyued And I call againe God and the Court of heauen to wittnes that I neuer committed against this kingdome of England my dearest contry or anyother state or prouince where I haue lyued or my parson in them lyuing or deceased murther theft Rapine violence vsury oppression enchaâ—nâ—mâ—nt sorcerye fornication addultery or other carnaâ—l act with any creature periurye false testimoniâ— gluttonie drunkennes or any greate or scandelous sinne to my knowledge disgracefâ—lly punishable by the lawes of England of which â— haue beene a student and by the grace of God giuen in my holy Religion I hope intend and purpose soe to perseuer all my life Soe helpe me God and his holy Saincts You see how confidentlie I haue sworne such an oathe of fidelitie and Innocencie from offence concerninge temporall Regiment or dutie of a subiect to his soueraigne as I stand in doubt whether any of your pretended Cleaâ—gie protestant will second mee therein or noe And yett there is noe matter against your Religion conteyned in yt as your soe named newe oathe of alleadgeance comprehendeth against the Pope and church of Rome as they haue censured to whome soe greate respect as before is due by your owne doctors sentences But I am out of all doubt that manie reuerende and learned preists of this kingdome will in Innocencie add to that which I haue begun And all the rest of that consecrated companie still sufferringe for that most glorious and holy cause will bee able to performe as much in that kinde as any temporall Soueraigne can in conscience exact of a spirituall and cleargie man and more then your best and moste selected Bishops or Ministers will assume to doe For matters of Religion this treatise will bee our warrant that wee must continue our vnitie with our Mother church of Rome and not with those whoe by their owne Iudgments and testimonies are Hereticks Scismaticks damnably seducers and seduced and such as by manie other titles by their owne conclusions are men not to bee communicated with in busines of Religion except men would willfullie incurre damnation Such as your moste allowed doctors writters are most manifestlie proued in this worke by their owne writings Therfore I craue pardon that the harshenes or distastfull euidence of thes protestant demonstrations bee not imputed vnto mee but to your owne protestant and puritane doctors Authors and publishers of them to the worlde for by their authorities and in their name I am to dispute proceede in euerie Argument and conuiction And because I desire to bringe securitie to all Readers that noe english protestant or puritane can by their owne Religion take iust exception against the weakest Conclusion of this booke I haue not handled any matters in yt but such as by their owne agreement ar essentiall materiall and fundamentall in Religion For how soeuer otherwise they disagree and ar not easelie to bee distinguished yett in thes soe necessarie and vnseperable things of true Religion as they tell vs they all agree D. Georg. Abb. ag Hill pag. 101. 102. 94. 106. 236. 237. 347. Doue persuas pag. 32. Morton full satisf pag. 18. The words of your present Archbishop of Canterbury ar thes protestants puritanes did neuer differ in any point of substance in substantiall points of faithe there is noe variance amonge vs. And this hee affirmeth seuen times at the leaste in one booke The protestant Bishop of Peterborough writeth thus in maâ—ters of Religion wee all agree D. Morton D. Sutcliffe D. Willet Wotton Middleton Powell the Sutel ag kâ—ll pag. 42 Willet Antib pag. 15 WottoÌ„ def of Perk pag 28. Middl pag 201. Povvel ag ap ep pag. 48. 45. Abrâ—dg Edw. holy knight pag. 103. of his 〈◊〉 Puritanes in their Abridgment with others too manie to bee cited are of the same opinion And it is soe generallie allowed amonge them that they tell vs non but such as they terme Papists Goliathes vncircumcised Philistines lyers and will affirme the contrarie Your circumcised knight as hee will bee named writeth thus our formalists and Presbyterians how soeuer they bee somewhat different in habite yett are they vnited in harte readie at all times to Ioyne in battell against any vncircumcised Philistine that dares contest against the vniformitie of their Rogers pref to the booke of articles faith Your publick glosser vppon your approued articles writeth in this maner The verie brethren themselues doe write that in regard of the common groundes of Religion and the
such are soe renowned Saints with God in heauen and that out of the true church there is noe saluation remission of sinnes or hope of eternall life and there is but one true church Catholicks in conscience cannot forsake the Religion and communion of that sacred and sauing Roman church to communicate with protestants Againe I argue thus That church and Religion â— vnto which all former good Christians of this kingdome whether Brittanes Romanes Saxons Danes Noruegians or Normans kinges or subiects were vnited in Religion vntill the tyme of kinge Henry the eight is still in all prudent Iudgment to bee continued in and communicated withall But the Romane church and Religion is such Therfore not to bee forsaken The maior proposition is euidently true for of necessitie that Religion of Christ which is good and maketh the professors of it such is to bee embraced and followed and they which embrace and followe yt to bee imitated and communicated with and the contrary to bee auoyded and forsaken for as it is the nature of goodnes and good thinges to bee desired and embraced Soe of euill such things to bee left and refused The Minor proposition is manifest by too many protestants to bee recited in this place I will therefore onely alledge their cheifest latest and moste approued writers M. Speed taking vppon him the name of the Author of the late booke called the Theater of greate Britaine is soe partiall a reporter Theater of greate Brit. in all christian kings vntill Henry 8. of things for protestants by Instigation of their Bishops and Ministers that hee is taxed by all indifferent men that were either the Composers of yt or that haue perused it with equall Iudgment And yett hee is wittnes through the Regiments of all Christian kings of England from Lucius the first vnrill the desolution begen by K. Henry the eight that the popes supreamacies Holy sacrifices of Masse prayer to Saincts and for the deade reuerence of Holy relicks and Images pilgrimage purgatory and other catholicke doctrines now impugned by protestants were euer allowed and generally practiced in this kingdome by practice and deuoute profession whereof to omit subiects though of high renowne sonnes and daughters of kings them selues more kings and Queenes in England became religeous monkes and Nunnes and now by thes protestants are honored for glorious kinges Queenes and Saincts in heauen Then euer were protestant kinges and Queenes in all the world though neuer soâ— vnworthy the name of Theater of greate Brit. pag. 33. n. 8. pag. 49. n. 5. pag. 53. pag 159 p. 161. pag. 294. pag. 298. pag. 301. pag. 305. Theat supr pag. 344. pag. 47. pag. 302. pag. 306. pag. 308. pag. 310. pag. 311. pag. 338. pag. 361. pag. 364. pag. 366. Saincts or sanctitie Such were as thes protestants tell vs Kinge and Sainct Ethelbert kinge and Sainct Offa and Sainct Fremandus his sonne kinge and Sainct Cheldwald kinge and Saint Sebba and his sonne and heire kinge and Saint Sighâ—rd kinge and Saint Ceolnulph kinge and Saint Egbert kinge and Saint Ethelred kinge and S. Errcombert kinge and S. Inas kinge and Saint Richarde kings and Saincts Edwards kinges and Sainct Epmunds and others women Queenes and Saincts Queene and Saint Outhburge Queene and Sainct Etheldred Queene and Saint Kineburge Queene and Saint Eadburge Queene and S. Eue Queene and S. Ethelburge Queene and S. Oswith kinge Sebba his wife not named by them Queene and Sainct kinswith Queene and Sainct Ermenhâ—ld Queene and S. Sexburge Queene and S. Ethelswith Queene S. Elfride Queene and S. Eanfled Queene and S. Edgine Queene and S. Edith Queene and S. Elfgine Queene and S. Emna Queene and Saint Eleanor with others That thes holy kinges and Queenes now glorious Saincts in heauen such as a false Religion could not make them were of that holy catholicke and Romane Religion which wee now professe and for profession Theater in those kinges and Queenes c. Bale l. de scrip Britan. in Augustino Parker in antiq Britan in Cranmer will in Synops Antylog c. Theater pa. 203. cap 9. Suteliff ag Kell pa. 105 Theater sup pag. 222. kinge Edw. lavves fol. 231. pag. 1. thereof vndergoe soe many miseries not only this their Theater but their pretended Bishop Bale before their soe named Archbishop Parker Doctor Willet and others testifie neither was there from the begynning by their writings any Religion or iurisdiction lawfully practised in this kingdome but from S. Peter the Apostle and the Popes of Rome of S. Peter thus they write That hee here founded churches D. Sutcliffs argument of Supreamacie and ordayned preists and deacons is reported by Simon Metaphraâ—â—es out of the greeke antiquities not likely to corrupt for the Romane church Guilielmus Eisingrenius in the first of his Century whoe saith that Peter was here in Neroes tyme They vrge for Pope and S. Eleuthertus epistle to kinge Lucius the lawes of S. Edward published by their protestant frend M. Lambert of Kent out of their Bishop Parkers library And by them and those their published lawes is euident that the Brittanes did not onely receaue all spirituall Iurisdiction Religion Bishops and preists from that holy Pope but temporall benefites more then protestants are gratefull for or I meane to vrge or stand vppon The wordes of those their cited lawes in the very page before are thes concerning King Edwards lavveâ— fol. 130 pa. 2. the Crowne of England The whole land all the Ilands to Norway and Denmarke belonge to the Crowne of his kingdome and are of the appendancies and dignities of the kinge and it is one Monarchie and oâ—e kingdome and was sometime called the kingdome of Britanye and now called the kingdome of Englishmen For Lord Eleutherius Pope whoe first sent an hallowed Crowne to Britanny and Christianitie by Gods inspiration to Lucius kinge of the Britannes appointed and allowed to the Crowne of the kingdome such metes and bowndes as are said before Of our Conuersion and Religion by S. Augustine and after they haue spoken sufficiently before I will add but one testimonie of their primatiue kinge and Saint Inaâ— their words bee thus Kinge Ina builded the renowned abbey of Theater pa. 298. 299. n. 11. Glastembury moste stately to the honor of Christ Peter and Paule where formerly stood the old Cell of Ioseph of Aremathia Which this kinge Ina after a moste sumptuous maner new built The Chappell whereof he garnished with gold syluer and gaue riech ornaments therto as altare Chalice Censor candlesticks Bason and holy water buckett Imadges and pale for the altare of an incredible value For the golde there vppon besiowed amounted to three hundred three pownde whaight and the syluer to twoe thowsand eight hundred thirtie fiue pownde besides prctious gemmes embrouched in the celebrating vesteres hee instituted a yearely payment to the See of Rome a penny for an howse on lammas day called Peter pence After hee had raigned in
greate prosperiâ—y seuen and thirtie yeares and odd monetheâ— professing voluntary pouertie Went to Rome where in the habit of a Religeous man hee ended his life in poore estate And Ethelburga his wife became a vayled Nunne was made Abbâ—sse of Barkinge neare london wherein shee ended her life The Brethren of Inaâ— were kenten whose sonne was Aldome Abbat of Malmesbury and Bishop of Sherborne And if wee desire Example from the the Norman Race Kinge William the first by by some syrnamed Conqueror may bee added both to encouradge vs to continue in the Religion of the church of Rome and to bee fearefull either to persecute or forsake yt of him his affaires this Theater entreateth thus His holy father Pope Alexander tke seconde sett in a Theater sup pag 418. n. 19. foote sending twoe Cardinalls and a Bishop from the See Apostolick in a Councell degraded stigand Archbishop of Canterbury EgelWine Bishop of the easte Angles besides diuers other Bishops and Abbots of the english nation depriued for noo euident cause but onely to giue place to the Normans in fauour of the kinge Kinge William gaue his oathe vppon the holy Euangelists and the relicks pag. 421. of S. Albanâ— the Martyr Pope Gregoire sendeth hither his bulls against the mariâ—d cleargie Pope Gregorie in all generall Synode excluded the maryed preists from execution of their holy offices and pag. 422. forbad they lay men to hearâ— their Masses our Lords body and the blood of our Lord consecrated by preists To shewe how iustly and seuerely God punished the hinderance of Masseâ— and profession of that Religion speaking of the destroying of Religeous howses and churches hee writeth thus Kinge William pulleth downe pag. 421. 36. mother churches from mans vse and Gods seruice in Hamtâ—hire novv new forest Richard hiâ— second sonne there dyed goared vvith a deare or blasted vvith a pestilent ayre and Rusus his other 〈◊〉 46. sonne mistaken for a deare shott through vvith an Arrovve by vvalter Tyrâ—ll Henry likevvise his grandchilde by Robert Curtoise persuing the chase vvas struken vvith a bough in the Iavves and as Absalon leâ—t hanging vntill hee died tâ—es punishments vvith a straunge earth quake and other straunge hinges ascribed for taking away vse of Gods seruice And speaking of his greate repentance and vertuous end hee writeth thus Hee pag. 425. n. 65. 66. 64. builded many religeous howses moste certayne it is that in the verie same place Where kinge Harolds standard was pitched and vnder which himselfe was slayne there William the Conqueror laid that foundation Battle Abbâ—y dâ—dicating yt to the Holy Trinitie and to S. Martine that there the monkes might pray for the soules of Harold and pag. 423. the rest that were slayne in that place hee repenteth him of his crueltie in England doth not aâ—count yt his owne but Gods Hee giueth his Crowne and ornaments therto belonging to the monkes pag. 422. 423. of Saint Stephen in Cane Hee giueth to his sonne Henry Beauclerâ—ke onely 5000. prounde without any contry prophâ—syinge how hee should bee heire to all Thâ— dying kinge for kinge must dye hauinge pag. 424. nu 56. pag. 223. raised vp his weake body vppon the pilloâ—es hard the sounde of the greate Bell in the metropolitane church of Saint Gâ—â—uis neare Roan demaundinge the cause one replyed that it did then ringâ— primâ— to our ladiâ— â—herevpon with greate deuotion lifting his eyes towards heauen spreadinge abroade his handes I commend myselfe saith hee to that blessed ladie Mary Mother of God that shee by her holy prayers may reconcile mee to her most deare owne our Lord Iesus Christ and with thes wordes yeelded vp the Ghost Their protestant Archbisop Parker is lately with applaose new printed and speaking of the Romane Religion and authoritie abrogated by the new lawes of kinge Henry the 8. writeth thus Parker Antiq. Britan p 329. His legibus by thes lawes the power of the Pope that had continued in England aboue 900. yeares hee meaneth from the tyme of our Conuersion by S. Augustine sent hether by Pope and Saint Gregory was ouerthrownâ— And M. Mason MasoÌ„ booke of Consecr in M. Park with his directing protestant Bishops assure vs that this Matthew Parker was allowed for Archbishop of Canterbury by other order then any his predecessors in the See of Canterbury Therefore wee may not forsake the Religion of Rome soe embraced and honored by all Christian kinges princes Bishops and true beleeuing subiects vntill this time of protestants by their owne testimonies Againe I argue in this maner Noe Religion that is soe farr from truthe and to bee iustifiable for good and holy that the cheifest professors and doctors thereof acknowledge generally that it is false erroneous or fallible may bee communicated withall But the English parlament protestant Religion is such Therefore not to bee communicated with The maior proposition is euidently true for as thes protestants haue taught vs before noe communion is to bee had in spirituall things with men of a false and deceatefull Religion for such by noe possibilitie can bee the infallible and most vndoubted word reuelation of God which by noe power can either bee false or doubtfull But the phantasticall deuise Imagination and humane hereticall Inuention of seducers The minor proposition is soe generally graunted by the protestants of England That D. Morton Morton Apolog part 2. pag. 315. with publicke priâ—iledge absolutely for them all writeth thus Thesis generalis nullus est omnino in ecclesia cuius Iudicium est infallibilis authoritatis Yt is a generall maxime And so to bee receaued of them all That there is non at all in the church whose iudgment is of vnfallible aâ—thoritie D. Willet giueth this testimonie In England will Antilog praef angl pa. 71. 120. 150 43. Praefat. to the Reader supr the temporall prince is Gouernor Ruler cheefe Ouerseer and Steward of the church to whose Iudgment and redresse the reformation of Religion belongeth Yet thee addeth thus neither hee nor any in their church haue any priuiledge from error And this is soe manifest by the often chaungings and choppings of their Religion by kinge Henry 8. kinge Edward 6. and Queene Elizabeth that to goe noe further their errors and contradictions defended and published by their owne statutes are shamefull to bee recited and soe euidently knowne that their protestant Bishop of Peterborough Doue persuasion with others doe freely acknowledge yt that all protestant princes with their church had erred and seduced others Or yf against all hope or possibilitie in S. Edwyne sands opinion wee Relation of Religion might expect a generall councell by their doctrine which not onely hee but all protestants confining spirituall iurisdiction to call councells onely to the temporall and ciuill authoritie of particulâ—r princes and contryes wherein they rule and noe farther much lesse ouer all nations Christian as the Pope claymeth yett to
expect an Impossibilitie larkes if the skye falleth wee should bee then in as desperate a case by their Religion as before For in their publick article and Rule they haue thus defined generall councells may â—rr euen in things pertayningâ— Articl of Relig â—rt 21. Feild l. of the church pag. vnto God Vnto which I will add the publicke protestant opinion sett downe by D. Feild in these wordes Bishops assâ—mbled in a generall councell haue autâ—oritie to interprett scriptures and by their authoritie to supresse all them that gaynesay such interpretation and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determination as they consent vppon to Excommunication and censure of like nature This is the desolate estate of protestants Religion by their owne testimonies without hope of hopâ—ls generall councell there is noe hope of truthe or saluation in their Religion And with hope of that which can neuer bee the misery is still remaininge for wee are still left in daunger of error to condemne vs and perill of separation from the church out of which as they teach before there is noe saluation remission of sinnes or hope Couell def pa. â—6 Feild pag. 69. of eternall life Therfore seing by vnion and communion in Religion with protestants both by their Iudgments and our owne alsoe wee should bee in this damnable perplexitie and certaine daunger of euerlastinge hell And by remayning in vnitie with the church of Rome in which wee comfort our selues and offer to mayntaine against all opponents herericks or Infidells that the church of Christ Popes and generall Councells cannot iudicially erre in matters of faith wee are freed from those desperate conditions and lyue in moste comfortable hope of true Religion in earth and euerlastinge saluation in heauen wee may not forsake the catholicke church Vrâ—is orbis of Rome and the whole christian world to ioyne with the parlament and soe miserable protestant church of England and one kingdome For confirmation of this though not needinge to bee confirmed and for further demonstration in this question I argue thus Noe men in time of controuersie about Religion may with securitie and conscience forsake the communion of the superior mother and Apostolick commaunding church or that is taught to haue especiall assistance of God in matters of Religion or that vnto which to adhere by the Iudgment of the primatiue fathers was taken for a suer taken of a true catholick euen by the coÌ„fession of protestants to Ioyne with an Inferior commaunded and subiect church vtterly destitute of such prerogatiues and acknowledged by the doctors thereof to bee erroneous But the Catholicks of England by forsakinge vnion with the church of Rome and communicatinge with english protestants should bee in this conscionles and irreligeous condition Therefore they may not doe yt The maior proposition is three fold contayning in effect three propositions as the argument for breuitie three demonstratiue arguments The first proposition is this The mother superior and commaundinge church may not vvithout greater authoritie bee forsaken to Ioyne vvith a subiect Inferior and commaunded church And it is euidently true otherwise yt should not bee the Mother superior and commaundinge church but the contrary inferior subiect commaunded The second proposition is this That church which in the Iudgment of many hath especiall assistance from God and freedome from error in religion iâ— rather to bee communicated with then that which by all men euen the best learned of it self is condemned of error and confessed to be fallible and deceauing iudgment And this alsoe is manifestly true for in the first there is either assurednes or contenting hope to bee free from error and obtaine salualtion in the other noe true hope thereof at all but a confessed certainetie of error seducing and to bee damned The third proposition is this That church which by the primatiue fathers had that priuiledge â—s the aduersaries doe graunt that to adhere vnto yt was a signe of a true beleeuing catholicke is reather to bee communicated with then that which neuer had or claymed such prerogatiue And this proposition is likwise apparantlie true for in the former there is securitie from error and in the second euident certaintie to fall into error and state of damnation Now that the case of english catolicks should bee this in all this three propositions if they should communicate with english protestans I doe thus demonstrate by thes protestans them selues and first how the romane church was and still is this mother superior commaundinge Church may appeare by the sentence of his maiestè concerninge that church in this K speach in parlam wordes it is our mother church it was a rule to all both in doctrine and ceremonies when it was in her florishinge and best estate And in the conference Conference at HamptoÌ„ pag. 75. at Hampton Court their Bishop Barlowe relateth thus Tâ—e kings resolution is that noe church ought further to seperate it selfe from the church of Rome either in doctrine or ceremonies then shee hath departed from herselfe when shee was in her florishinge and best estate and from Christ our Lord and deade D. Downame Downam l. 1. Anticor ca. 3 pa. 36. denieth not but bothe Iustinian the Emperor and the generall councell of Calcedon in the primatiue church did attribute to the Pope of Rome to bee heade of the churche And the same D. Downame D. Couell D. Sutcliffe Porkins Down supr pag. 106. â—07 Couell plea of Innoc pa. 65. Sutcliff sub viâ—p 19 Perk probl pag. 237. 238. and others wittnes that at such time wherein they confesse that church a Rule to all both in doctrine and ceremonies and not to bee separated from it exercised this supreame iurisdictâ—on in all partes of the worlde Asia Africke and Europe Therefore this Rule to all is not in ruling departed from her selfe or Christ our heade and soe wee mâ—y not bee seperated from yt Which M. Ormerod proueth further assuring vs that in the Apostles time it claymed thes priuiledges of preeminence indefectibilitie from the irreuocable graunte of Christ in holy Ormer pict pap pag. 78. scriptures his wordes bee thes To proue that the church of Rome hath the preeminence ouer all churches Anacletus lyuing in the Apostles time a blessed Saint and martyr alleageth Math. 16. vers 18. vppon this rocke vvill I build my church and hee expoundeâ—h it thus super hanc petram id est super ecclesiam Romanam vppon this rocke that is vpon the church of Rome vvill I build my church Therfore for any man to say that wee may sepearate our selues from the church of Rome because it is departed from it selfe when it was in her florishing and best estate is not onely a very friuolous and vaine excuse but in their opinion and Relation manifestly false because this church of Rome euen in that her best estate did clayme and by the warrant and graunt of Christ registred in holy scriptures as ample
and supreame commaunding authoritie ouer all other churches parsons and as due and respectiue obedience as now yt doth as these protestants them selues are wittnesses against them selues and by such pretended excuse of reuolt and contempt of superioritie and gouernment and for the inferior subiect guiltie or accused to vsurpe power ouer the Superior and lawfull Iudge all heresies scismes treasons rebellious and disobediences may bee mayntayned and all Regiment and Rulers both spirituall and temporall bee reiected and ouerthrowne And is the like or worse in effect then that which his maiestie speaketh of the presbyteâ—iall discipline in these wordes lacke and â—om and Will and Diâ—k vvill censure the kinge and his Conferenâ—â— aâ—â—ampt pag. 79. counsâ—ll and all their proceedings at their pleasure And from hence alsoe both the second and third propositions are directly proued For by this the second proposition That Catholicks in forsaking communion vvith the church of Rome to communicate vvith english protestants should forsaâ—â— a church by the doctrine of diuers and credible â—uthorities assisted by God from error is euideytlie true for not onelie the present doctors of the present Romane church soe teach but it was soe taught as this protestants assure vs by the learned and holy fathers and popes of that sacred church when by their graunt it vvas in her florishinge and best estate and a rule to all both in doctrine and ceremonies To which I add the testimonie of D. Downame telling vs that in those times Down l. 2. Antichr pag. 107. Ormâ—r hereticks though Bishops recanting did svveare to meyntayne thâ—t faith which the Bishop church of Rome professed M. Ormerod saith S. Leo that glorious Saint doctor did teache that God did assist direct that sea in decrees And to maintaine yt by protestaÌ„ts that this was the coÌ„mon and receaued doctrine of that vnsported time whereas they now tell vs a generall councell is highest iudge D. Powell writeth thus Powell l. 1. Antichrist p. 230. 231. Calixtus Pope in that best time defined that all Bishops though gathered in a generall Councell shall fullfill the will of the church of Rome they which doe not this are pronouÌ„ced of Pope Pelagius to keepe a false Conciliable and not a Councell Pope Damasus vvrote that it is not lavvfull for the Bishops to doe any thinge against the decrees of the Bishops of Rome Where vppon according to this generall and primatiue doctrine by protestants relation their Bishop of Bils true differ pag. 66. 67. Winchester hath written in this maner The Canon of the primatiue churche made euery thinge voide that vvas done vvithout the Bishop of Rome The canon of the primatiue church forbad any Councell to bee called vvithout his consent Therefore D. Feild directeth vs what to doe in Feild pag. 20â— this case in these wordes Wee must obey vvithout scrupulous questioninge vvith all modestie of mynde and reuerence of bodie vvith all good â—llovvance and acceptation and repose in the vvorde of them that teache vs vnles they teache vs any tâ—ings vvâ—ich the authoritie of the higher Suâ—erior controlleth Therefore because thus protestants haue soe confidently assured vs that the Pope and church of Rome is our highest Iudge in authoritie and superioritie in this busines wee must still vvithout scrupulous question vvith all modestâ—ie reuerence good allovvonce acceptation and repose obey them still communicaâ—e with them And forsake all spirituall communion withall protestants and others departed and sepaâ—ated from them And from hence alsoe the third proposition that to adhâ—re to the church of Rome in time of controuersie vvas and is a token or signe of a true catholick is euidently proued An D. Downame graunteth yt to haue beene the opinion of the primatiue fathers S. Augustine and victor vticensis in Afrike vvere of opinion that Down l. 1. Antichrist pag. 106. 105. to adhere to the church of Rome vvas a marke of a true Catholick in those times And that it must soe continue for euer is proued by thes protestants before To which I add this protestant Demonstration followinge Euery forsakinge of Communion and communicating which by protestants Iudgment doth or would make men guiltie of all kinde of spirituall disobedience is to bee auoidâ—d But for Catholicks to forsake communion with the church of Rome and communicate with protestants by their owne doctrine is such therefore to bee auoided The maior proposition is euidently true for seing to bee disobedient in any one spirituall dutie is wicked and abominable much more damnable must it needs bee to bee guiltie of all such synnes The minor proposition is proued by D. Feild and the publick protestant authoritie that gaue priuiledge to his writinge for entreatinge of the diuers and distinct kindes of spirituall Fâ—ild pag. 202. l. 4. cap. 5. obedience hee writeth thus Hither wee may referr those different degrees of obedience which vvee must yeeld to them that commaunde and teache vs in the church of God excellently Waldens doctr fidei l. 2. art 2 3 pag. 27. described by waldensis wee must saith hee reuerence and respect the authoritie of all catholick Doctors whose doctrine and writings tâ—e church allovveth Wee must more regarde the authoritie of catholick Bishops more then thus the authoritie of the Apostolick churches amongst them more especially the church of Rome of a generall councell more then all thes By which doctrine of english protestants it is euident that all men communicating with them in Religion are culpable in all kinde of spirituall disobedience and if the degrees of obedience to commaunders in the church of God bee as thes men assure vs excellently described by Doctors and catholick Bishops vnder the Pope and the Pope is cheefest in thes degrees and as before is proued by them noe councell can bee either generall or allowable without his allowance and approbation by forsakinge communion with the Pope and beinge disobedient vnto him wee should bee guiltie of a spirituall disobedience Therefore when wee are assured by thes men them selues that now wee lyue in all true spirituall obedience and contrary to their commaunding and supreame byndinge instruction noe authoâ—itie on earthe is to bee obeyed in such things but rather to bee obedient and subiect it selfe to them the pretended instruction of protestants to vnlearned catholicks is not to bee termed instruction but destruction and their pesecution against vs for this our soe religious iust deniall to communicate with them in Religion shall bee censured by his maiestie and their Bishopp of Durham and not by mee his maiesties wordes in publick parlament in this question are thus You my Lord of Durham said very learnedly in Serm. An. 1603. 19. of March before the K. Kings speac in parlam 1. Iacob your sermon to day that correction vvithout instruction is but tyrannye And how can England euer an inferior subordinate and dependinge church take vppon yt power to instruct the highest spirituall authoritie
onely allowance by a woman vncapable either to haue or giue such power therefore because men in protestants religion may not bee papists nor lyers nor say that soe many of their worthies Bishopps and doctors assuring vs before that they doe not differ in any one essentiall or materiall point bee lyers and dissemblers in religion wee must needs agree with them that say the english ministers haue noe callinge or admittance but by Queene Elizabeth which by them is none at all Againe both vpon the same ground and the like extremitie in their doctrine they are inforced to renownce all ordination from the Pope and church of Rome by this their owne demonstration Noe man can giue that to an other which hee hath not But by them the Pope hath not true ordination Therfore cannot giue yt to others The maior is euidently true and their owne grounde and principle The minor proposition hath beene a common protestant doctrine and must bee iustified by their receaued opinion that the Pope is Antichrist a thinge in religion essentiall for Antichrist that is quite contrary vnto Christ cannot by any meanes bee iudged a true preist and bishop of Christ Thirdly D. Sutcliffe maketh this matter moste cleare in these his wordes Thâ— Turkes musty iâ— Sutcliff suru pa. 48. as good a Bishop as the Pâ—pe therefore in his doctrine neither of them a Bishop or able to make either Bishop or preist Therefore in an other worke with publick allowance as also this hath hee writeth of vs in this maner in Sutcliff ag D. kell pa. 4 the Popes church our aduersaries neither haue manâ—r of ordination nor substance of function they haue not imposition of handes by bishops because they haue not lawfull Bishops Therfore their pretended Bishops if made by such noe Bishops bee not true bishops And soe there bee neither true Bishops nor true and lawfull preists or ministers in the english protestant congregation and soe noe true church nor spirituall communion to bee vsed with them by their owne iudgments And this their new deuise of clayminge a consecration de iure diuino and not their old admittance from Queene Elizabeth was the Protest offer of confer pag. 11. motiue that vrgeth their owne brethren in Religion first to write in thes wordes If prelacie bee de iure diuine by the lawe of God it receaueth breathe and life from the Religion of Rome Whose prelacie and preisthood is euen by our greatest aduersaries acknowledged to bee by diuine institution And this supposed graunted by thes parlamentary protestants thus they add They cannot see how possibly by the rules of diuinitie the separation of our churches from the church of Rome and from the Pope supreame heade thereof can bee iustified And againe in this maner They protest to all the world that the Pope and the church of Rome and in them God 〈◊〉 pa. 16. and Christ Iesus himselfe haue had greate vvronge and that the protestants churches are scâ—smaticall in forsakinge the vnion and communion vvith them And this hee that would bee named Archbishop of Canterbury euen by his owne groundes before should rather haue resolued vppon then contrary to his owne iudgment vnderstanding and conscience if I may vse that worde in such proceedings maintayne and aggrauate soe straunge and vnchristian persecutions against sacred and lawfull preisthood in others which though onely imputatiue pretended and vsurped in himselfe hee would haue soe much honored or rather by their Religion Idololatrated and worshipped as an Idoll ens rationis chymaera and noe reall thinge And this is one of his vnholy purchases by directinge Frauncys Mason in soe durtie a dawbinge woorke as his booke of pretended ordination is An other noe lesse prophane is this to demonstrate himselfe and all of his opinion before for the vnitie and generall accorde and agreement of all both english and other protestants in all essentiall substantiall and materiall points of Religion to bee prophane dissemblers seducers and men of noe Religion For in this soe essentiall and substantiall a question of a true and lawfull preisthood or ministery fundamentall or foundation in true worship they are soe diametrically and contradictoâ—ily dâ—â—ided and separated that some of them considently and as matter of faith beleeue and teach they haue noe callinge or ordination but from a woman vtterly disabled eyther to haue or giue yt the rest as certainely affirme that which they pretend to haue is from Antichrist which likewise can neither giue nor haue yt soe that by noe possibilitie they can bee reconciled to haue any title to a true ministery and Religion Their onely way of Reconcilement in some parte but to their little comfort is this if they will agree that Queene Elizabeth was Antichrist But Concerning their pretended ordination it is aboundantly and demonstratiuely confuted out of their owne lawes writings and diuinitie in a particular booke of that subiect and for that cause I had here passed it ouer with silence had I not beene aduertised that being diners monethes synce readie for the presse it is fallen into their pretended Bishops hands that intend to suppresse it And therefore in the Authors name I request them truely and worde for worde to publish yt with the best answeare they can make vnto yt And his promise is to make noe further reply vnto them in that busines soe confident hee is his booke to bee vnansweareable and their cause vndefensible But for feare they will behaue themselues in this as to my greuous experience they haue verie often done in the like before I must add somâ—hat in this place And first I tell M. Frauncys Mason b. of Consecrat Mason his directors telling vs that Matthew Parker was consecrated by foure true Bishops or three and a Suffragane That no notorious and contradictory lyers are to bee beleeued in their owne cause especially of such moment But all or moste of the protestant Relators of this by their owne Testimonie are lyers Therefore not to bee beleeued The maior proposition is euidently true And the minor thus pâ—oâ—ed for first whereas I finde three relators of this pretended Consecration and Butler epdef of their misâ—â—on Suâ—cliff ag D. â—ell pag. 5. Parkers Register Doctor Butler D. Sutcliffe and directed M Mason The first saith that Ihon Suffragan of Doâ—er was one of these Consecrators D. Sutcliffe his wordes are thus Bishop Parker was consecrated hy imposition of hands of Bishop Barlowe Bishop Couerdale Bishop Sâ—ory and twoe Suffragans of whome mention is made in the act of consecration yett to bee seene M. Mason Mason in â—ons Math. Park telleth there was but one Suffâ—agane there and hee was of Bedford Soe that in these three protestant cheife writers and allowed râ—lators of this pretended consecration there bee thrâ—e diuers and quite repugnant narrations of which if not all three yett at the leaste twoe of necessitie are notorious lyes and corruptions and all of them cite Matthew
them Further I argue in this maner Whatsoeuer is confidently taught printed and published by men of Religion is to bee allowed and graunted by all that acknowledg themselues to bee wholly of the same Religion with them in all things esseÌ„tiall But the hauing of the pure worde preached though essentiall in Religion is yet denyde by these consenting protestants to bee in their church Therfore they must graunt it is wanting with them The maior proposition is euidently true otherwise they should not agree but dissent in essentiall things The minor is thus proued by these agreing protestants M. Iacob one of their agreing protestants writeteh in these words the protestants flocke Iacob Reas pag. 52. pa. 52. 53. Iacob reas episc dedic pag. 51. of England cannot expect that heauen shall bee opened vnto them And thus further The english pâ—otestant Religion diminisheth the honor and dignitie of Christ impugneth the foundation of sauing faith and is contrary to Gods word And thus againe Christs owne ordinances necessarie to bee enioyed for our soules health are wanting in England tâ—ere is noe ordinary meanes of saluation Iacob exhor pag. 82. pag 79. 8 to bee had in the english protestant Religion euery man vvanteth the heauenly foode and perseruatiue appointed for vs of God the english protestant church vvanteth the ordinary meanes appointed of God for saluation to euery man Their agreing protestant author of the booke named Aduertisement spâ—eking of the errors of their english Aduertisement An. 1604. pag. protestant church writeth thus Millions of millions runne to eternall flames Christianitie is denyed in England by publicke authoritie Their Certaine dem An. 1605. p. 4â— thus well agreing Author of certayne demaunds hath these wordes The protestant Religion of England cannot bee kept vvithout breach of the commaundments Therfore the pure word of God is not preached with them their church not true their Religion false noe saluation to bee hoped with them therefore noe communion in Religion to bee yeelded vnto them And this is sufficiently graunted by the protestant Bishops themselues in their publicke Conference at Hampton Court where their behauiour and confession was this as the protestant Author of the first copie ioyned to that of their Bishop Barlowes setteth downe in thes words Canterbury London Winchester fell dovvne on their knees and desired that all things might remayne Conference at HamptoÌ„ copie 1. annexed to B. Barlovves printed by IhoÌ„windet Copie 2 sup least the papists should thinke vvee haue beene in error And this is confirmed by a seconde protestant writer and Copie of that conference in this maner Bishops of Canterburye London and Winchester makinge earnest suite that all things might stand as they did leaste the papists should take offence vvhoe might say vvee vvould persvvadâ— them to come to a church hauing errors in yt Like is the testimonie of a third Copie 3. protestant Copie followinge in the same place And D. Morton concludeth this matter with this generall protestant Maxime and grounde in their doctrine It is a generall Maxime there is none in the churche vvhose iudgment is of infallible Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 315. authoritie Then an other Maxime is that the protestants church is erroneous hath not true faith for euery article of faith being â—euealed of God is most certaine infallibly true The 4. particular protestant demonstration is because english protestants by their owne testimonies want the due ministration of Sacraments an other thinge alsoe essentiall to the true church by their owne Religion AS I haue proued in the former Chapter that the protestants of England haue not the pure worde of God preached amonge them because by their owne testimonie they haue noe true and lawfull preachers Soe I now demonstrate that they haue not the due ministration of Sacraments because they want a true and lawfull ministery and sacred ministers to administer them for where the due and right Actor and doer of a thinge is not the thinge cannot bee duely righly done because euery externall Action is an emanation or doing of the effect from the agent Secondly I argue thus These protestants haue not sacraments Therfore not sacraments duely ministred The consequence is euidently true for where there is noe action or thinge to bee done there yt cannot bee either dulie or vnduely done because yt can by noe wayes bee done The Antecedent that these protestants haue not sacraments I thus demonstrate from themselues for first they deny fyue of those seuen which the Apostolick Romane church receaueth onely retayning twoe as they themselues affirme that is Baptisme and the Lords supper as they name the moste holy sacrament of the Altar Soe that if but one of these twoe is wantâ—ng with them they cannot bee said to haue sacraments in the plurall number as their definition before containeth but one onely sacrament and if that is either wanting with them or not duely ministred by them they haue none at all duely ministred Now that the blessed sacrament of the altar is wanting in their church I thus demonstrate First because as they acknowledg it is to bee celebrated by a lawfully consecrated preist or minister as some of them rather call him yt selfe beinge a sacrament of greatest consecration and they haue not any such coÌ„secrated preist or minister in their church therefore this soe sacred and consecrated holy sacrament not being without such consecration and preist is not in their church and their breade and wyne is noe more a sacrament then that which in a tauerne is seet on the table by the drawer of the wine And for this present it is manifestly demonstrated by D. Couell and his priuiledging protestants whoe entreating of lawfully called sacred church preists or ministers hath these words To these parsons God imparted power ouer Couell def of Hook-pa 87. his misticall body which is the societie of soules ouer that naturall which is himselfe for the knittiuge of bothe in one a worke which antiquitie doth call the making of Christs body And in an other booke hee writeth thus The power of the Couell mod exam pag. 105. ministery by blessing visible Elements it maketh them inuisible grace it giueth dayly the holy ghost it hath â—o dispose of that flesh which was giuen for the life life of the worlde and that blood which was powred out tò rèdeme soules Where wee see a diuine and miraculous consecration and grace belonging to both these holy Sacraments of Order to consecrate and the most blessed Eucharist the bodie and blood of Christ to bee consecrated both which as is manifest are wanting in the english protestants church by their owne both practise and writings And to make this matter more euident if it could bee and further confirme that these men want this sacred Order and Sacrament of preisthood to minister this and the other sacraments hee writeth of yt againe in this maner It is a power Couell def sup
noe spiriâ—uall communion to bee had with them both propositions are graunted anâ— proued by â—heses protestants before and further may bee confirmed by these words of D. Feild for the maâ—or proposition There is and allwayes hath beene a visible church Feild pa 21 and that not consistinge of some foâ—e scattered Christians without order of ministery or vse of sacraments for all this vve doe moste Willingly yeeld vnto And againe in this maner In the Feild sup pag. 25. church of God is fovvnde an entire profession of the sauing truth of God Order of holy ministery sacraments by vertue thereof aâ—ministred and a blessed vnitie and fellovvship of the people of God c. vnder the commaunde of lavvfull pastors and guides And againe in his second booke hee Feild l. 2. ca. 2. p. 40. maketh this a note vnseperable an vnion or connexion of men in profession and vse of sacraments vnder lavvfull pastors Therefore demonstration being made by these protestants themselues that their Church soe termed by them wanteth these things which is the second proposition The Conclusion that their Congregation or pretended church is noe church or not the true church is manifestly true and soe not to bee communicated within Religion Further from soe well agreing protestants in all essentiall things as they teache vs I argue thus Noe societie or companie of men affirmed by themselues or men agreing with them in all essentiall and materiall points of Religion to bee noe church or not the true church can in conscience bee taken and esteemd by others differing from them in Religion to bee the true church and to bee communicated with in sermons seruyce Sacraments c. But the english protestants are in this condition Therfore they haue not the true church nor may bee communicated with in such things The maior proposition is euidently true for noe testimonie is greater to a man then his owne iudgment vnderstanding and conscience and of others not differinge beinge an internall lawe and direction vnto all men The minor Couell def of Hooke pag 65. 75 pag. 74. Couell exaÌ„ pag. 3 Ormerod pict purit k. 1. Ormer dial 1. Feild episc dedicat of the church Couell def pa. 50. cont Burg. p. 60. WottoÌ„ def p. 442. c. D. Abbotag Hill p. 101. 102. 236. 237. 247. doue persu p. 32. mort satisf p. 18. Sutcl ag kell pag. 42 iâ— ill Antil p. 15. Middl. pap pa. 201 WottoÌ„ def is thus proued by these their soe well agreâ—ng protestants themselues whose sentence is thus sett downe by D. Couell in these words The statute congregations of England arâ— noe true churches And againe in these termes the protestant church of England is noe church at all And further thus the protestants of England haue noe forme of a church M. Ormerod lâ—kewise doth thus register their Censure against themselues in this order The protestant church is not the true church of Christ. And thus againe the protestant church in England is not the true church it hath not soe much as the outward face and shew of the true church Then because D. Feild with others assure vs there is noâ— part of heauenly doctrine more necessarie in these daies then to knovv the church and true sponse of Christ and that there is noe saluation remission of synnes or hope of eternall life out of the church This must needs bee a moste necessarie essentiall and materiall point in Religion otherwise nothing is or can bee necessarie essentiall or materiall wherefore seinge their protestant Archbishop of Canterbury their protestant Bishop of Peterborough their Doctors Morton Sutcliffe Willet Wotton Povvell Middleton and all protestants as they teach doe hold that they all agree in euery essentiall point none but papists and lyers affirme the contrary and noe Goliath can proue yt they all agree and must conclude that the protestants haue noe church p. 28. Couâ—ll ag apologet epist. pag. 48. 52. c. or not the true church And soe noe spirituall communion is to bee had with them The 6. particular protestant demonstration for Catholicks iust Recusancie is Because English protestants by their owne testimonies are hereticks and moste notorious hereticks FVRTHER I proceede in this matter with this demonstration noe societie companie or fellowship of men that by their owne testimonies or hereticks may bee communicated with in spirituall things But these english protestants are such therefore not to bee communicated with in such busines The maior proposition is thus proued by these protestants Their Bishop D. Doue writeth thus This proposition noe hereticks nor Scismaticks are Doue persuas pag. to bee communicated withall is vndoubtedly true because it is grounted vppon scripture Tit. 3. Ioh. â—p 2. Rom. 16. M. Hull teaceth by many examples Hull Rom. pol. p. 30. 31. 32. 33. 34. Ormer pag p. 51. Powell cons pag. 8. in concl Sutcl exam of petit p. 9. and testimonies of scriptures and antiquitie in this maner Wee may not communicate vvith hereticks and men of a diuers Religion M. Ormerod is of the same opinion M. Powell writeth thus With Idolaters hereticks good men ought to haue noâ— communion D. Sutcliff handleth this point more at lardge and first citeth the Loadicean councell can 31. 32. 33. which doth directly condemne communion vvith hereticks either in Mariadge or in prayer And hee further speaketh thus The fourth councell of Cathage cap. 70. forbiddeth cleargie men all festings and fellovvship vvith hereticks and Scismaticks Alsoe against communion with such people hee citeth these scriptures Deuter 13. Psal 16. Deut. 16. Deut. 29. Sutcl sup pa. 5. 6. 7. 8. Zephan 1. Matth 7. Matth. 16 Gal 5. Apocal. 2. num 16. Iosue 23. 2. Corinth 6. And calleth euen the tolleration of any false hereticall Religion repugnant to Râ—asons of Religion and holy scriptares Hee telleth further such communion is reproued by the authoritie both of the fathers of the church and of auntient christian Emperors For fathers hee citeth S. Athanasius Gregorie Nazianeen sup pa. 10. 11. cap. 3. Hierome Augustine Ambrose Irenaeus Dionysius Heraclas Optatus of Meleuit And addeth thus Eusebius l. 7. hist c. 6. by the authoritie of Dyoninisius and Heraclas prouâ—th that such as conuerso vvith hereticks are excommunicate For Emperors hee alleadgeth the degrees of these primatiue pag. 11. christiaÌ„ Emperors ConstaÌ„tine Gratian Valentinian Theodosius Arcadius Honorius Martianus and Iustinian And to conclude that all protestants will seeme to bee of the same opinion the protestant Author of the booke AbridgmeÌ„t An. 1605. pag. 18. named Abridgment of a booke of the ministers of Lincoln dioces writeth thus By the iudgment of the godly learned of all churches and ages vvho haue constantly taught and giuen testimonie to this truth that Christians are bounde to cast of the cerâ—monies and râ—ligeous customes of pagans Ievves Idolaters and hereticks and carefully to shun all conformitie vvith them And for this Sup. pa. 18. 19. 20.
he ther reproueth haue thus conâ—eated of them it will bee pardonable in Catholicks to thinke of them as themselues doe and reporte and soe wee may not communicate with such hereticks especially when D. Couell againe writeth the like in this Couell des of Hooker pag. 24. maner The begynnings the proceedings the end of them both in England and Scotland serue to this end that order may cease Therefore they are hereticks And to passe ouer this generall state of heresie whereof they are thus manifestly conuicted by their owne testimonie I will breefely sett downe how by their owne confessionalsoe they are guiltie of diuers other particular and singular heresies errors and paradoxes in Religion suffered allowed and maintayned amonge them and soe consequently for that cause alsoe not to bee communicated with in matters of Religion some of them bee recorded or mayntayned by these protestants M. Ormerod setteth downe one of their doctrines in Ormer dial 1. these words children of hereticks and of such as by excommunication are cut from the church may not bee baptized By which opinion ioyned with their other protestant doctrines before the children of all protestants must needs bee damned because there is noe saluation without baptisme Their Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson Bilson suru p. 541. 552. writeth these I doe not finde any scriptures that allowe the Saincts deceasâ—d the same place of glorie where Christ now is at the right hand of God in the highest heauens till the laste day come Then if noe scriptures teach yt protestants receauing noe other rule cannot beleeue yt and soe by D. Couells sentence they dissolue that communion Couell ag Burg. p. 90. of Sainsts which wee professe to beleeue as an article of Gods truthe The doctrine of Christs disceÌ„t into hell is an article of our Creede the protestants censure puritans for heretick for denying of yt yett M. Ormerod a professed writer against puritans condemninge them of many heresies teacheth this doctrine The beleeso Ormer dial â— Ormer pa. ganot pag. of Christ discending into hell to fetch prisoners tâ—ence is like the fable of Hercules greing to hell to setch thence Theseus Pirothous and Cerberus Thus hee hath written with publicke applauâ—e and priuiledge of this Article of our faith Therefore M. Parkes setteth downe their protestants Parkes p. 92 opinion herein in this maner Christs discent into hell is noe Article of our Creede but an intruded fable a patch which some Coblâ—r or patcher patched to the Creede it is against the Analogie of our faith it ingeÌ„dreth many incoÌ„ueniences many absurde opinions friuolous fables and pâ—antasticall visions The common opinion of protestants in their arguments against transsubstantiation Christs reall presence in the blessed sacrament of the altar is that the true naturall properties of a bodie cannot bee seperated from yt Yett M. Powell with priuiledge writeth thus The Powell de Antich pa. 499. bodie of Christ after his resurrection had not the naturall properties of a bodie Then by theiâ— doctrine yt was not a true bodie and soe noe true resurrection and that article of our Creede also is publickly denyed and soe there is noe resurrection of the bodie as followeth by S. Paules doctrine and reasoning thus by their owne translation if Christ bee not risen theÌ„ is our preaching 1. Corint 15 v. 14. 17. 18 vayne and your faith alsoe is vayne and if Christ bee not raised your saith is vaine you are yett in your synnes And soe they which are a sheepe in Christ are perished And soe there is noe Resurrection of the bodie noe immortalitie of the soule by this doctrine for a thinge perished is not but hath ceased to bee Therefore M. Parkes writeth of these protestant as before they strike at mayne points of saith shaking the Parkes epi. dedic foundation it selfâ— and calling in queâ—tion heauen and hell the diuinitie and humanitie yea the verie soule and saluation of our sauiour himselfe And to make it apparant that they generally giue way to all infidelitie The same M. Powell highely commended by D. Sutcliffe writeth thus with publicke approbation it is noe more certaine Powell pref l. de Anticâ— that God is in heauen Creaâ—or of visible inuisible things and Iesus Christ the truâ— mâ—ssâ—â—â— then that the pope of Rome is the greate Antichrist and the papall church the synagoge of Antichrist But I haue made euident demonstration before by their owne testimonies that it is soe far from truth or apparance thereof that the pope is Antichrist or the papall church his Sinagoge that they haue proued that church to bee the true church of Christ and the Pope to bee the true lawfull vicar of Christ supreame heade of his holy catholicke Church on earth and to whome all Christians in the worlde doe owe obedience in religeous busines Therefore these protestants by their owne published and priuiledged writing haue denyed God And Christ Iesus is not the true Messias by their doctrine Then noe meruayle though D. Feild D. Willet Feild l. 3. e 3 p. 139. will Antil p. 13. Poâ—ell l de Artichrist p. 494 c. apud parkes pa. sect 23. M. Powell and others deny the virginitie of our ladie for shame I omitt their vnseemely wordâ— and others write Dauid is still in hell to this day when they teach that Christ delyuered none from thence neither is the Messias Yett other protestants sette all men at libertie to beleeue and lyue as they list to bee turkes Iewes pagans or whatsoeuer for they shall all bee saued not withstanding by Christ whome they haue these dishonored and denyed The words of the protestant Author of the booke called Suruey c. bee these The english protestants Suru of coÌ„ B pa. 119. teache that Christ hath actually and effectually redeemed all men whatsoeuer Therefore by them all men turkes Iewes pagans c. must needs bee saued because an act and effect acted and effected cannot bee vnacted or vneffected M. Wotton seing how other protestants had ouerthrowne the lawe and Religion of Christ laboureth for himselfe likewise to euacuate the promise to Abraham and the lawe of Moyses and leaue all mankinde in originall syn contracted from Adam and writeth thus Circumcision was not prouided for remedie of originall WottoÌ„ def of perk pag. 447. sinne any more then for actuall neither did it remedie the one or the other The like heresies and detestable errors publickly printed and priuiledged amonge them as alsoe their Authors and mayntayners are too many to bee alleadged therefore to giue some coniecture of the rest I will propose one Doctor and Professor of diuinitie in their church a man highly commended in protestants iudgment whoe to omitt all other his bookes and erroneous places in them in one onely place of his publickly warranted and priuiledged Antilogie This professor Doctor Willet writeth thus Tyndalls Willet Antil pag. 203 opinioÌ„s are sounde good
soe by breakinge any of them Scisme is contracted if I shall but onely proue they haue broken this vnitie in one they are proued Scismaticks by their owne proceedings But to proue them to bee in the highest degree of Scisme I will make demonstration that they are guiltie in breakinge all these vnities And first concerninge their first vnitie of subiection to lawfull Pastors I argue thus At the begynning of protestancie either the pastors of the Romane church namely the Pope when they reuolted from him were true pastors or not if they were not then their pretended ordination and Episcopalitie from thence is voyde if they were their true pastors then they are Scismaticks for their reuolt and disobedience vnto him Secondly I proue yt thus euery church not clayminge to bee supreame the superior mother or commaunding church and yett submitting yt selfe and obedient vnto none is scismaticall for not to obey a lawfull superior Pastor is scisme and their Bishop Barlowe hath told vs before that maioritie of Bishops is Barl. serm Sept. 21. 1606. an apostolicall tradition in all the vvorlde enacted for succedinge posteritie a canon or constitution of the vvhole Trinitie Therefore the english protestant church neuer clayminge this maioritie aboue others and yett obstinately repugnant and disobedient to that which euer had this Maioritie which as is proued by them before is the Romane church must needs bee scismaticall Thirdly D. Feild and these his protestants Feild l. 4. â—â— 5 p 202. haue assured vs That amonge those different degrees of obedience which wee must yeeld to them that commaunde and teache vs in the church of God wee must more especially respest the church of Rome then Catholicke Doctors the authoritie of catholicke Bishops or other churches though apoâ—â—olicke Therefore the english protestants soe willfully and maliciously disobedient and contumelious vnto yt are Scismaticks by their owne iudgment Secondly concerning his second vnitie whose breach maketh Scisme and is as hee saith The connexion and Communion vvhich many particular Feild l. 3. pag 70. sup churches and pastors of tâ—â—m haue amongâ— themselues The english protestants haue not communion or connexion with any either true or pretended churche in the worlde in their cheefest poynts of connexion communion or coordination as namely in their pretended Bishops and the manner of making them in Rulinge their congregation in the temporall princes supreamacie c. Therefore by breach of this vnitie alsoe they are Scismaticks by their owne Rule For Confirmation whereof D. Couell setteth downe the doctrine of other protestant churches in these words there is noâ— Couell def of Hook pa. 33. church where the gouernment by elders or presbytery wanteth this being as essentiall as either the Worde or sacraments And the protestant Author of the booke called Suruey writeth thus The Suru of comm B. pag. 24. english churches differ from all other reformed churches That they differ from the Romane and all other churches they willingly acknowledge therefore they are Scismaticks by their owne Censure For here wee see that there is noe true and reall connexion and communion of the english protestant congregation or pretended Pastors Bishops or ministerie with any either true or pretended church catholicke or protestant reformed or not reformed pastors presbyterie or whatsoeuer they will terme them in all the world And by this alsoe it is euident that they are Scismaticks by breakinge the third protestant vnitie In holdinge the same Rule of faith for these english protestants agreing with noe other church true or false in the Rule of faith as before must needs be Scismaticks alsoe by this title And soe moste notorious in this offence of scisme hauinge obstinately dissolued all christian vnities by their owne confession Further I argue thus whosoeuer by mayntayninge their sect or faction in Religion are forced to such absurdities that by the testimonies of their owne Brethren in Religion they make themselues and all of their doctrine to bee Scismaticks are to bee esteemed such But the english protestants are in this case therefore Scismaticks by their owne sentence The maior proposition is euident And the minor alsoe proued by them before and now breefely in this maner The protestant authors of the offer of Conference supposing that the english parlament protestants will defend their proceedings as they doe write in these words They cannot see how possibly by the Rules of diuinitie Offer of Conference pag. 11. tâ—e seperation of our churches from the church of Rome and from the Pope supreame heade thereof can bee iustified Then by their owne Rules before they are scismaticks which the same protestants protest expressely in this maner They protest to all the world that the Pope and the câ—urch of Rome and in them God and Christ sup pag. 16. Iesus himselâ—e haue had greate wronge and indignitie offered vnto them and that all the protestant churches are scismaticâ—ll in â—orsakinge vnitie and communion with them Which is further confirmed by an other of their reformed brethren though writinge somewhat later then my sixe yeares limitation whoe speaketh in this order As wee haue saide vnto you called Brounists soe DeclaratioÌ„ of the misterie of iniquitie An. 1612. pag. 156. wee say to England and to the presbytery holdinge of the Pope and that profession as you doâ— Then haue you of England and all the nations of the earthe synned grâ—ately to seperate from Rome in that you were all of one bodie and members one of an other and being beleâ—uers in Christ Iesus they are your brethren and ought not to seperate from Rome as you haue done If you of England and the presbyterie and you called Brouniâ—â—s did make any conscience to walke by the Rules of Christs â—erein you â—ould not walâ—e towards Rome as you doe Againe I argue in this maner whosoeuer are â—ither by themselues or others that bee in their opinion learned and consenting with them in all essentiall and materiall points condemned and censured to bee Scismaticks are to bee adiudged and auoyded as such in spirituall communications But these english protestants both parlamentaries and puritanes are in this state Therefore to bee as such adiudged and forsaken in Religeous communications The maior is euidently true because to bee in Scisme which excludeth forth of the true church out of which by these protestants before there is noe hope of saluation is a point both materiall and essentiall in Religion The minor proposition is proued by these protestants and puritanes mutually condemning themselues their essentially agreing brethren to bee scismaticks First their late protestant Archbishop of Canterbury D. Bancroft then of London in their publick Conference before the kinge calleth them scismaticks yt is thus recorded for action by their Bishop Barlowe in these wordes CoÌ„fereÌ„ce at Hampton Court p. 26. The Bishop of London kneelinge downe moste humbly desired his maiestie that the auntient Canon might bee remembred which saith that
religion neuer maintayned or taught before is new and hereticall For Scotland this protestant Doctor hath told vs before that Knoxe their cheife protestant disallowed this their seruice which hee testifieth alsoe in his booke against Burges in these words Knoxe disallovved the communion booke Conell against Burg pag. 69. And the same of Knoxe was soe highely applauded with protestants That D. Sutcliffe hath tolde vs before that their Brethren in Scotland had imposition of hands from Knoxe therefore Knoxe not being a Bâ—shop must needs bee an Apostle extraordinarie or greater in his iudgment For France and Suitcerland Caluine and Bucer are renowned amonge protestants and Couell sup pa. 69. 122. pag 47. yett the same protestant Doctor writeth thus Bucer Censured the communion booke Caluine censured the communion booke to conteyne many fooleries And in an other booke in this maner Examinat pag. 185. Caluiue Whoe was in maner of an Oracle of God to all churches that were reformed gaue this Censure of the englisâ— communion booke translated into latine to haue his iudgment of it that many foolish things Were in yt not that puritie which was to bee desired vvas to bee filed from the rust corrected and many things cleane taken avvay For Germanie the protestant Author of the Relation of the state of religion hath these words The princes and people in Germanie haue Caluinists Relation of Relig. â— 45. in greate detestation not for bearing to professe openly they vvill returne to the papacie rather then euer admitt that sacrameÌ„tarie predestinarie pestilence Therefore Catholicks may not communicate with their country protestants in their english seruice soe generally condemned both by themselues and all forreyne protestants Againe I argue thus Noe seruice or fashion of prayer and Sacraments that is by the practizers of them and those which in their IudgmeÌ„t agree with them in all materiall points condemned to haue grosse errors manifest impieties grosse and palpable repugnancie euen in necessarie and essentiall points of Religion misapplyeth scriptures to countenance errors is naught and may bee communicated with But the english protestant seruice and Booke thereof is such therefore not to bee communicated with The maior proposition is euidently true And the minor is thus proued by these protestants M. Ormerod recordeth the Censure of english protestants vppon it in these words The booke Ormerod dial 1. of common prayers and the vvhole order of protestants seruice is coÌ„demned And to shew that they which thus censured it were allowed teaâ—hers and preachers amonge them hee addeth Ormer pict purit d 3. thus in an other book preachers in their verball sermâ—nâ— speake against the state ecclesiasticall tâ—e â—ooke of common prayer and the Ceremonies of the church of England D. Couell â—eâ—â—â—eth Couell exaÌ„ pag 179. theiâ— sâ—â—â—eâ—ce thus The communion bookâ— is boldely despised grosse â—rrors and manifest impieties are in the communion booke The protestant author of Certaine Coâ—sidâ—rations writeth in this maner The protestant communion booke Cert Consider An 1605. p 10 11. 12. 13. 17 Suru pag. 20. 24. anâ— seruice is naught it hath grosse and palpable repugnancie in yt An other protestant writeth thus The communion Booke of England is not agreable to the word of God in many things The communion booke as it hath ministred matter of contention froâ— the first hatchinge of yt Soe it vvill euer bee the fuell of that fyer An other Abbridgm of luic dioc pag. 15. pag. 17. speaketh thus â—he booke of common prayer misapplyeth sondrie places of scripture and that to the mayntayninge of vnsound doctrine The booke of common prayer contayneth in yt sondry things besids them handled in the abbridgment beeing verâ— many that are contrarie to the vvord pag. 73. of God it appointeth sondrie things that tend directly to the prophanation of the holy sacraments either â—y prostituting them to vnvvorthie parsons or administring them vnreuereantly iâ— auoucheth sondrie manifest and apparant vntruthes pag. 74. it appointeth sondrie things that bringe greate disorder and confusion vnto the vvorship of God pag. 75. It conteynes sondrie things that are ridiculous and absurde and â—uch as noe â—reasonable sence can bee made of it conteyns in yt sâ—ndrie euideâ—t contradictions And to giue instance in the publicke preachers of london it selfe Twoe and tuentie of them haue ioyned together in this Censure of this their seruice published it in printin thes words Many things in the communion booke are Petit. of 2â— preachers of London repugnant to the word of God In the communion booke there bee things of which there is noe reasonable sence there is contradiction in yt euen in necessarie and essentiall points of Religion it conteyneth vntruthes in saith the Holy scripture is disgraced in yt it entoyneth vnlawfull Ceremontes conteyneth corrupt translations of holy scriptures misapplyeth places of holy scriptures to the countenance of errors Therfore not to bee communicated with The 9. particular protestant demonstration is Because these protestants by their owne testimonies and published writings are manifest and knowne dissemblers willfull deceauers seducers lyere and periured in matters of Religion CONCERNINGE the Religeous behauiour and maner of life and conuersation of these men doctors preachers and practisers of this new Religion I argue thus Noe men that are manifestly detected dissemblers periured foreswearens lyars and knowne deceauers in matters of Religion euen by the confession of themselues and their essentially agreinge frends are not to bee imitated in Religion but vtterly to bee auoided in such Communications But the english protestant preachers and teachers of Religion are in this condition Therefore not to bee followed but auoided in spirituall communications The maior proposition is euidently true for of all people manifest lyers forswearers and dissemblers with God and man are most to bee discredited and reiected in conuersation especially in religeous things The minor proposition is thus proued by these protestants The protesâ—ant author of the relation of Religion a man of greate creditt and â—â—thoritie in their church writeth thus protestant Relation of Râ—ligion cap. 32. writers in Relation of things haue abused this present age and preiudiced posteritie Louâ— and dislike hath sâ—e dâ—zeled their eyes that they cannot bee beleeued M. Oâ—merod hath these wordâ— It is true indeed there are â—arebraynd inconstant Ormer pagan pag. â—â— 57. and sickle headed amonge protesâ—anâ—â— that are much like vnto â—kebolius tâ—e Sophist of Constantinople whoâ— before Iulian was emperour caried â—imselfe as an earnest Christian vnder Iulian hee became an Apostata and a baganâ— aâ—d after Iulian he woulde bee a christian againe And suâ—h were their cheifest and prime protestants themselues as their Archbishop Cranmeâ— befoâ—e oweinge all dutie and obedience to God twiâ—e swearing yt to the pope to kinge Henry 8 kinge Edward 6 Queene Mary of diuers Religeons and yett hee was an hereticke to God and his church and a periured wretch to all those princes
offer yt any violence to frame it to an imagined conceit and to drawe it to an idle purpose Then noe meruaile if the Ignorant bee deceaued and seduced by such writers and preachers when noe Catholicke may bee suffered to write or speake against them though they haue by all meanes they can make moste humbly fought for equall Audience which the Protestant Author of the Relation of the state of Religion in some sort insinuateth in these words Catholicks crye maynely in all places Relation of Religion cap. 29. for triall by disputation thus did Campion many yeares since with vs Tâ—is â—s I passed tâ—râ—ughe Turricke did the Cardinall Andrea of Constance and his Iesuites not longe before the same was done to them of Geneuâ— and vâ—rye lately the Capuchins renwed the challâ—ndge Yett none will bee accepted nor other answeare returned but such sermons writings as wee haue related before and M. Ormerod describeth in thes words Ormer pict purit supr l. prefat in postscript diuers bookes printed against the papists are as fitt for the fyer as the conâ—uringe bookes ca. 19. Act. ver 19 and the publishers of such phantasticall bookes should bee hanged Bookâ—s are written by protestants and suffered to bee published which bee a greate disgrace to protestant Religion Besides their argument of persecution remembred by the same author in the name of protestants in this maner The Clinâ—e tâ—e Gatehouse the Ormer pict purit g. 1. white lyon and the fâ—â—ete haue beâ—nâ— protestants onely Arguments whereby they haue proued their cause those many yeares Hee might haue added moste bloodie rigorous and iniurious edicts Tortures penalties arraigmâ—nts iudgments executions c. And yett they haue gayned noe more then Iulian and other persecutors haue done Gods Auger vnto themselues and glorie and euerlastinge renounce vnto Catholicks for such sufferings registred by their owne protestant writer a man of greate witt worthe and place amonge them in these words The sufferings Relation of Religion cap. 31. and martirdomes of english Catholicks in these time are recompted to the height of Neroes Dioclesians persecutions and the sufferers of their side bothe in meritts of cause in extreamitie of Torments and in constancie and patiâ—nce to the renouned Martyrs of that heroicall church age Thus this protestant relateth the iudgment of forreyne nations concerninge english protestant persecutions towards their contry Catholicks The 10. particular protestant demonstration is Because these protestants contrarye to the nature of true beleeuers and the true church by their owne doctrine are by their owne testimonies alsoe generally moste vile wicked impious and gracelesse people MY next protestant demonstration shall bee taken from their lyues maners and behauiour Befor which I sâ—ppose the common doctrine of these protestants That good â—orkes and true faith cannot bee separated testified not onely by D. Willet D. Feild M. Thomas Rogers Willet Antilog p. 207 Feild Rogers pa. 55. pa. 56. Articles of ReligioÌ„ art 12 and others but alsoe by their highest authorised articles in these words Good workes doe springe out necessarily of a true and liuely faith in soe much that by them a liuely faith may bee as euidently knowne as a tree discerned by the fruite Therefore seing there is as they tell vs an euident and necessarie coniunction of these they cannot bee seperated which M. Rogers would not onely proue by scriptures in this maner Rogers sup cil Matth. 7. 16 Math. 3. 12 Ihon 13. 35 luk 6. 36. Eph. 1. 1. 1. Ihon 3. 10 CoÌ„fess Helu 2. ca. 16. Basil ar 8. Bohem. c. 7. Gal. ar 22. Belg. 24. Saxon. ar 3 WitteÌ„b c. 7 Sueu c. 4. Powell l. 2. Antichrist p. 474. 476. The scripture saith and sheweth that by good workes are knowne the good trees from the bâ—dd the wheate from the chaffe the true disciples from the false the sonnes of God from the children of Sathan the regeneratâ— from the vnbeleeuers Hereticks vnto the Saincts and churches doe subscribe And citeth the protestant Confessions of Heluetia Basile Bohemia Fraunce Belgia Wittemberge Sueuia for thie subscription and doctrine To these I add an other receaued doctrine of protestants of the certayntie of their being in true faith grace and to bee predestinate entreated before and soe confidently taught that M. Powell calleth it blasphemye to deny yt his words bee these It is blasphemous doctrine to say as the church of Rome doth that saith is onely in generall propositions as hee that keepeth the commaundements shall enter into life and hee that bâ—leâ—ueth and is baptized â—hall bee saued and not in these particulars I shall enter into life I shall bee saued or my synnes are forgiuen Then if as before by their doctrine true faith and good workes are euidently and necessarilie conioyned to gether and vnseperable it is blasphemous by true consequence to say that a man or men or church wantinge good workes by their owne confession and alsoe ouerwhelmed with euill workes and all kinde of syns and iniquities haue true faith true Religion or church or shall bee saued wherevppon I argue thus Noe men societie or Congregation conuicted by their owne testimonies to bee â—ereticks which want true faithe can haue those things that are in their iudgment vnseperable from yt which bee good workes But these english protestants as is proued before by them selues are in this case Therefore they haue not good workes Therefore not the true church Therefore not to bee communicated with in Religeous busines All things in this argument are proued before and confessed by these protestants Againe I argue in this maner noe men infected and defiled with such euill works as depryue and leaue men destitute of grace can haue good workes done by grace and in grace But the english protestants by their owne testimonies before are in this condition Therfore they haue not good workes of grace The maior is euidently true for to haue grace and not to haue grace are contradictories Therefore if it bee true that protestants haue not grace it is false to say that they haue grace The minor proposition is manifestly proued before in that protestants are proued by themselues to bee Scismaâ—icks vsurpers in Religion prophane lyers dissemblers feducers c. which being mortall and damnable fyns must needs depryue them of grace and leaue them gracelesse For as they conclude in their Conference euery Conferencâ— pag. 41. greuous synne depriueth of grace and iustification their proposition there is this whosoeuer though before iustified did commit any greuous syn as adultery murther treason or the like did become ipso facto subiect to Gods wrathe and guiltiâ— of damnation quoad prasentem statum vntill they did repent Therefore protestants by these their owne doctrines haue neither good workes nor good beleife or faithe And soe not to bee communicated with in such busines of Religion And from this soe generally receaued protestant doctrine of England Heluetia Basile Bohemia Gallia Belgia Saxonia Wittemberge that
on earth as before by their owne Iudgments against them And his maiestie by himselfe besides that alleadged alloweth the Pope to bee cheefe Bishop and prince of K. admonit pag. 45. 46. Casaub respons ad epi. Card. Perron pa. 69. 70. Bishops as S. Peter vvas prince of Apostles And by Casaubon that all patriarchall apostoliâ—ke and commaundinge Sees in the world now doe ioyne with him against protestants in question now in controuersie The 2. Protestant Demonstration why Catholicks may not communicate with them in Religeous thinges is by their owne doctrine in respect of their soe named ministers vnlawfull false and intruded and not to bee communicated with by their owne writings BVT to proceede and still in matters essentiall because in such things they will bee esteemed to bee at vnitie and agreement I will vse their owne definition of the true church subscribed vnto by them all that are admitted for ministers in their english protestant Religion Articl of Religion art 19. Thus it is The visible church of Christ is a congregation of faithfull men in the vvhich the pure vvord of God is preached and the sacraments bee duely ministred Soe that three things by this their highest decree are essentiall in Religion Feild lib. 2. pa D. Feild calleth them proper essentiall and inseperable True Pastors or ministers The puer vvord preached and sacraments duely ministred If I should onely proue that but one of thes three bee defectiue in their church or not to bee communicated with I haue rendered sufficient reason of refusall to communicate with english protestants in their Religion for in true definitions nothinge must bee wanting or superfluous for the maxime is generall That the definition and thinge defined must bee conuertible But for securitie I will make demonstration by thes protestants themselues that all thes protestants themselues that all thus their proper essentiall and inseperable thâ—ngs are both seperable seperated and wantinde with them And first concerning their Ministery because it is lately confuted condemned at large by their owne writings I will bee breife and I argue in this maner Noe pretended ministers of England that bee made either by imagined power and authoritie from a woman not capable to make ministers or by power authoritie or iurisdiction from the Pope See or church of Rome may bee communicated with by their owne writings and proceedings But all in England supposed for ministers bee in this case by their owne confession Therefore by their owne confession and testimonies not to bee communicated withall in spirituall things I will first proue the second proposition and it is demonstratiuely proued by their generall consent for though they differ by which of those meanes they were made the puritanes iustifying that they haue noe better ordination then Queene Elizabeth a woman could giue them which the teache is non at all the parlameâ—tarie protestants now defending contending to deduce and proue their supposed ministery by the Romane authoritie and iurisdiction yett in this they allagree that their pretended ordination is either from Queene Elizabeth or from the church and Pope of Rome neither possibly can yt bee otherwise for the Catholicke Bishops after the death of Queene Mary beinge depriued by Queene Elizabeth in the first yeare of her raigne as all our protestant historians Foxe Stowe Hollinshed Foxâ— tâ— 2. monum stowe hist an 1. El. Hollinsh ib. Park antiq Brit. in finâ— Mason l. 1. 2. 3. 4. Consecret Stat. An. 1. Eliz. cap. 1. Parker Speed Mason and others testifie as alsoe all iurisdiction and power spirituall vnder treasonable offence and penaltie by the highest parlament lawe inuested in Queene Elizabeth they must needs clayme their making from that which then was reiected or from that of Q. Elizabeth then receaued and established for there is as they acknowledge noe other to bee imagined Now to come to the maior proposition and first to that protestant opinion which teacheth their pretended ordination to bee onely by Queene Elizabeth I argue thus Noe communion and vnion spirituall is to bee had with men pretending to bee true ministers but by their owne doctrine and doctors are not such but vsurpers intruders bastardly false and illegittimate But the english pretended ministery is such Therefore not to bee communicated with in such busines The maior proposition is euidently true for vsurped false illegittimate and cannot possibly bee iust right true and lawfull things The minor proposition is alsoe euidently true in their writings assuring not onely that they were made by Queene Elizabeth but that for that reason they are noe true ministers because shee a woman by sexe vncapable of such function could not giue yt vnto others Their reason is à priore and demonstratiue and the same which the Iacob Reas prot Assert Lord Cooke present Lord cheife iustice alloweth for such and is this nemo potest plus iuris in alium transferre quà m ipse habet noe man can transferr or giue more right vnto an other then hoe himselfe hath And herevppon they conclude against this pretended english Ministery in this maner one of them hath these wordes The protestant Bishops are noe approued members of the visible Suruey pa. 5 Iacob reas pag. 9. church of Christ. M. Iacob writeth thus English protestant Bishops are plainely contrary to Gods worde and vtterly vnlawfull A diocesan Bishop is neither a pastor nor one of the people in any proper visible church vvith vâ— M. Oâ—merod relateth their Censure in this order The english protestants Ormer pict puâ—it f. 2 g. 4. Dial. 1. haue neither a right ministery of God nor a rigâ—t gouernment of the church english ministers are noe ministers The english ministâ—ry is vnlavvfull There is noe right ministery in England Rogers in Artiâ— 36. p. 200. 201. noe pastors noe Bishops M. Rogers writeth thus They vvrite that the Bishops of our church haue noe ordinary calling of God and function in the scriptures for to exercise thâ—y are not sent of God inferior Ministers they are not according to Gods vvorde either proued elected or ordeyned Like is the Testimony of M. Mason M. Owen and others too many to bee reciâ—ed Mason pa. 7. 8. Owen pil her Therefore by their iudgmeÌ„t wee may not communicate with theÌ„ in spirituall things neither can this their pretendâ—d ordinatioÌ„ bee lawfull Neither can it bee auailable for the present Frauncis Mas in praf l. 1. 2. c. Feild l. of the chur Sutâ—liff ag Kell pag. 5. Butler in epist written for the miniâ—â—ery protestant soe named Archbishop of Canterbury director to M. Mason now M. Mason D. â—eild D. Sutcliffe D. Butler or any other amonge them now to say they haue receaued true and lawfall ordination from the Pope and church of Rome as they now say and by all meanes contend to proue for to bee made preists or Bishops by the Pope and his proceedings iâ— a thinge essentially different from hauinge