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A02548 The honor of the married clergie, maintayned against the malicious challenges of C.E. Masse-priest: or. The apologie written some yeeres since for the marriage of persons ecclesiasticall made good against the cauils of C.E. pseudo-Catholik priest. In three books. By Ios. Hall, D. of Diuin. Deane of Worcest. Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656.; Erasmus, Desiderius, d. 1536. An liceat sacerdotibus inire matrimonia. 1620 (1620) STC 12674; ESTC S119011 135,526 384

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whereof after all busie discussions and pretences of age must bee resolued into no other then this How farre the Tradition of a particular Church is worthy to preuayle against Scripture yea and against other Churches A point which a very weake iudgement will bee able to determine In this returne of my Defence I doe neither answere euery idle clause nor omit any essentiall This length of mine is no lesse forced then my Aduersaries continencie wherein yet my Reader shall not sigh vnder an irksome loquacitie I presume to dedicate this vnworthy labour to your Grace whome this famous Church daily blesseth as her wise faithfull and vigilant Ouerseer as a renowned Patterne of holy Virginitie and Patrone of holy Marriage The GOD of Heauen whose watch you carefully keepe preserue you long to his Church and make vs long happie in your Grace and you euer happie in his plentifull blessings Such shall euer be the Prayers of Your Graces most humbly deuoted IOS HALL THE ANSWERE TO the Aduertisement THE man beginnes with a threat I may not but tremble He frights me with an vniuersall Detection of my errours It is almost as easie to find faults as to make them Perhaps the Time had bin as well spent in tossing of his Beades How happie a man am I that shall see all my ouersights My comfort is that if my Tree were fruitlesse there would be no stone throwne at it In the meane while how well doth the title of a Detector become him that hides himselfe If he be not afraid or ashamed of his cause let his name be known that his victories may be recorded It is an iniurious and base aduantage to strike and hide and after a pitch't Duell to gall a fixed Aduersary out of loop-holes If his person bee vpon some treasonable act obnoxius it is hard if some of his names be not free But if I must needs bee matcht with the shaddow of a Libeller I will so take him as he deciphers himselfe C. E. Cauillator Egregius and vnder this true stile of his am readie to incounter him and doe here bid Defiance to an insolent and vniust Aduersary And first let mee tell my Cauiller this order is preposterous If all my errours be at the mouth of the Presse how is it that two or three of them are thus suffered to out-runne their fellowes Was his malice so bigge with these that it could not stay the time of the common deliuerie Needs must they be notorious falshoods that are thus singled out from the rest Let them appeare in their owne shapes vgly doubtlesse and prodigious The first is That most shamelesse assertion that Bellarmine vnder his own hand acknowledges 237. Contrarieties of Doctrine amongst his Catholikes Could the man but haue patience he should finde aboue three hundred What sayes my Detector to this Hee hath not seene the seuerals yet like a braue man at Armes he professes to kill his enemy ere hee can appeare and tels vs those 237. Contrarieties are nothing but 237. lyes in one assertion That there are in them so many vntruths I easily grant for in Contradictions one part must needs be false and Truth is but single They are vntruths then lyes are too broad a word but their owne My assertion shall only iustifie that they are told let him take care for the rest But they are not in points belonging to Faith and Religion only in matters vndecided and disputable The sequell shall try that shift Why doe wee fore-stall our Reader Who knowes not that there cannot bee so many points fundamentall Let him take them as they are I aggrauate nothing It is but only in such light chaffe as this In the number and extent of Bookes Canonicall wherein DRIEDO ERASMVS GENEBRARD CAIETAN SIXTVS SENENSIS are acknowledged to oppose the rest In the Popes infallibilitie of iudgement wherein GERSON ALMAYNE Pope ADRIAN ECKIVS HOSIVS PIGHIVS WALDENSIS are at quarrell In the reach and originall of spirituall iurisdiction wherein ABVLENSIS TVRRECREMATA FRAN. A VICTORIA ALPHONSVS DE CASTRO c. proclayme to differ what should I instance in more It is but in the Popes power in Temporalties in the inerrablenesse of Councels whether particular confirmed by the Pope or Generall in the authoritie of Councels aboue Popes in the force of Vowes in the worship due to Images and the like These and such other are the slight Trifles since all cannot bee weightie impertinent to faith wherin the Romish Doctors varie Neither doth my assertion of their discord gall him more then of our Vnitie O the fore-head of Heretikes I said that we in our Church differ only in Ceremonies they in substance Let him giue leaue to the contra-diuision of these two and I will take leaue to maintayne the indiuision of the Church of England in the dogmaticall points of Faith This boldnesse together with my eminent ignorance makes him admire the scarcitie of learned men in our Countrey that could finde no better Doctors to send to Dort-Conference then Master HALL To your griefe Sir it was a Synode and that noble and celebrious Neither was it out of want that your silly Aduersarie was sent thither This happie Iland which hath no blemish but that it yeelds such Vipers as your selfe abounds as you too well know with store of incomparable Diuines such as may set your Rome to schole So as the Messengers of PYRRHVS long since called your Italie a Country of Kings and Egypt was wont to be called the Countrey of Physicians so may this blessed Iland of ours iustly merit the title of The Region of DIVINES For me I can be content to bee base enough in mine owne eyes but if my disparagement shall redound to my betters I dare tell him it is my comfort that I was sent thither by a iudgement no lesse infallible then of PAVL the Fift Let himselfe or any of his Eaues-dropping companions to whom that place stood open say wherein I shamed those that sent me It was my iust griefe that the necessitie of my health yea of my life called mee off immaturely but since either death or departure must bee yeelded to others shall iudge whether I went away more laden with infirmity then howeuer vnworthy with approbation But that second lye of mine is so loud that all my Brethren of Dort must heare it and they which were lately the Witnesses of my sinceritie gracing me with the deare Testimonie of their approofe are now made the Iudges of my impudencie What Monster of falshood will come forth In my censure of Trauel glancing at the Iesuiticall bragge of their Indian Miracles whereat their very friends make sport I charge Cardinall Bellarmine for an auoucher of these Coozenages who dares auerre that his fellow Xauier not only healed the Deafe Dumbe and Blinde but raysed the Dead to which I adde whiles his Brother Acosta after many yeeres spent in those parts can pull him by the sleeue and tell him