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A50248 A defence of the answer and arguments of the synod met at Boston in the year 1662 concerning the subject of Baptism and consociation of churches against the reply made thereto, by the Reverend Mr. John Davenport, pastor of the church at New-Haven, in his treatise entituled Another essay for investigation of the truth &c. : together with an answer to the apologetical preface set before that essay, by some of the elders who were members of the Synod above-mentioned. Mather, Richard, 1596-1669. 1664 (1664) Wing M1271; ESTC W19818 155,430 150

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than_o the_o servant_n since_o in_o the_o cafe_z allege_v the_o servant_n may_v trade_v under_o the_o freeman_n as_o well_o as_o the_o child_n may_v we_o suppose_v none_o will_v say_v this_o and_o therefore_o in_o this_o the_o comparison_n do_v not_o suit_v the_o case_n in_o hand_n the_o order_n and_o privilege_n of_o corporation_n be_v various_a according_a to_o the_o tenor_n of_o their_o several_a charter_n but_o what_o the_o charter_n of_o the_o church_n be_v we_o know_v viz._n that_o in_o gen._n 17._o it_o take_v in_o child_n into_o the_o church_n with_o their_o parent_n and_o do_v not_o allow_v they_o to_o be_v put_v out_o till_o censurable_a iniquity_n do_v appear_v 2._o if_o in_o some_o corporation_n one_o that_o be_v freeborn_a do_v lose_v his_o privilege_n when_o he_o become_v adult_n if_o he_o do_v not_o then_o enter_v personal_o into_o the_o engagement_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o certain_a that_o it_o be_v so_o in_o all_o sure_o no_o such_o thing_n be_v say_v of_o paul_n who_o 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the_o synod_n describe_v or_o to_o more_o than_o so_o vid._n bucer_n de_fw-fr regno_fw-la christi_fw-la lib._n 1._o cap._n 2._o pag._n 14._o and_o in_o his_o commentary_n upon_o john_n in_o a_o excellent_a discourse_n concern_v infant_n baptism_n among_o many_o other_o useful_a passage_n he_o have_v these_o follow_v sunt_fw-la quidem_fw-la sa●e_v inter_fw-la pueros_fw-la reprobi_fw-la etc._n etc._n there_o be_v indeed_o often_o among_o child_n some_o that_o be_v reprobate_n but_o while_o that_o do_v not_o appear_v to_o we_o we_o ought_v nevertheless_o to_o reckon_v they_o among_o the_o people_n of_o god_n and_o we_o shall_v time_n enough_o cast_v they_o out_o when_o by_o their_o evil_a fruit_n they_o shall_v open_o show_v we_o what_o they_o be_v bucer_n in_o joh._n fol._n 43._o and_o in_o another_o place_n quantum_fw-la equidem_fw-la assequi_fw-la possum_fw-la etc._n etc._n as_o far_o as_o i_o can_v gather_v say_v he_o the_o
and_o this_o not_o only_o secret_o and_o in_o heart_n but_o so_o outward_o and_o visible_o as_o to_o be_v scandalous_a therein_o how_o this_o can_v be_v we_o must_v confess_v we_o do_v not_o understand_v to_o that_o of_o the_o synod_n where_o they_o say_v that_o the_o parent_n in_o question_n do_v not_o put_v in_o any_o bar_n to_o hinder_v their_o child_n from_o baptism_n and_o that_o this_o be_v plain_a from_o the_o word_n of_o the_o proposition_n where_o they_o be_v describe_v to_o be_v such_o as_o understand_v the_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n etc._n etc._n the_o reverend_a author_n in_o his_o answer_n say_v that_o notwithstanding_o this_o the_o parent_n may_v put_v in_o a_o bar_n to_o hinder_v their_o child_n from_o baptism_n because_o a_o man_n may_v do_v and_o be_v all_o that_o be_v require_v in_o that_o proposition_n and_o yet_o have_v no_o faith_n in_o christ_n but_o be_v a_o unregenerate_a person_n ans._n it_o be_v one_o thing_n what_o a_o man_n may_v do_v and_o yet_o be_v a_o 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be_v regenerate_v since_o de_fw-fr occultis_fw-la non_fw-la judicat_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la but_o that_o a_o man_n may_v do_v and_o be_v all_o that_o the_o proposition_n mention_v and_o yet_o be_v unregenerate_a and_o without_o faith_n not_o only_o in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n but_o also_o visible_o and_o to_o the_o church_n judgement_n this_o seem_v not_o very_o probable_a even_o one_o of_o the_o particular_n which_o the_o proposition_n mention_v viz._n that_o of_o give_v up_o themselves_o to_o the_o lord_n be_v speak_v of_o by_o the_o apostle_n as_o a_o token_n of_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n bestow_v on_o the_o church_n of_o macedonia_n 2_o cor._n 8.1_o 5._o and_o when_o the_o synod_n mention_v not_o only_o this_o particular_a but_o five_o or_o six_o other_o in_o the_o proposition_n must_v we_o for_o all_o this_o say_v that_o man_n may_v do_v this_o and_o all_o that_o be_v mention_v in_o that_o proposition_n and_o yet_o have_v no_o grace_n of_o god_n bestow_v on_o they_o but_o be_v even_o quoad_fw-la nos_fw-la without_o all_o faith_n in_o christ_n and_o in_o a_o unregenerate_a estate_n and_o so_o put_v in_o a_o bar_n to_o hinder_v the_o baptism_n of_o their_o child_n we_o can_v but_o fear_v such_o judgement_n be_v more_o rigorous_a than_o charity_n will_v allow_v for_o the_o scripture_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o tree_n be_v know_v by_o its_o fruit_n mat._n 12._o &_o 7._o and_o that_o even_o a_o child_n be_v know_v by_o his_o do_n whether_o his_o work_n be_v pure_a and_o whether_o it_o be_v right_a prov._n 20.11_o and_o therefore_o when_o there_o be_v so_o many_o thing_n for_o the_o parent_n in_o question_n as_o be_v mention_v in_o the_o proposition_n and_o nothing_o appear_v to_o the_o contrary_a we_o think_v such_o parent_n have_v be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n in_o their_o minority_n may_v just_o be_v look_v at_o as_o those_o who_o do_v not_o put_v in_o any_o bar_n to_o hinder_v their_o child_n from_o baptism_n the_o reverend_a author_n further_o say_v pag._n 25._o though_o these_o parent_n be_v not_o scandalous_a in_o life_n but_o solemn_o own_o the_o covenant_n before_o the_o church_n wherein_o they_o give_v up_o themselves_o and_o their_o child_n to_o the_o lord_n and_o subject_n themselves_o to_o the_o government_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o church_n yet_o all_o these_o may_v be_v affirm_v of_o many_o who_o have_v a_o form_n of_o godliness_n and_o deny_v the_o power_n thereof_o from_o such_o paul_n warn_v timothy_n to_o turn_v away_o 2_o tim._n 3.5_o ans._n but_o be_v it_o credible_a that_o those_o in_o 2_o tim._n 3._o can_v answer_v all_o that_o be_v say_v in_o this_o proposition_n be_v they_o not_o scandalous_a in_o life_n but_o do_v give_v up_o themselves_o to_o the_o lord_n and_o subject_n themselves_o to_o the_o government_n of_o christ_n in_o his_o church_n what_o then_o mean_v the_o many_o scandalous_a sin_n mention_v ver_n 2_o 3_o 4._o and_o what_o be_v this_o deny_v the_o power_n of_o godliness_n that_o be_v charge_v upon_o they_o it_o be_v most_o like_o it_o be_v such_o a_o deny_v as_o that_o in_o tit._n 1.16_o where_o they_o be_v say_v to_o profess_v to_o know_v god_n but_o by_o work_n to_o deny_v he_o be_v abominable_a disobedient_a and_o to_o every_o good_a work_n reprobate_a and_o if_o so_o than_o they_o be_v far_o from_o answer_v what_o be_v say_v of_o these_o parent_n for_o these_o parent_n be_v not_o scandalous_a in_o life_n but_o those_o the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o be_v scandalous_a and_o abominable_a for_o wickedness_n these_o parent_n be_v commendable_a for_o sundry_a good_a thing_n in_o they_o and_o good_a duty_n do_v by_o they_o whereas_o those_o the_o apostle_n speak_v of_o be_v not_o so_o but_o disobedient_a and_o to_o every_o good_a work_n reprobate_a and_o when_o the_o apostle_n bid_v timothy_n turn_v away_o from_o such_o do_v not_o this_o simple_o that_o they_o be_v scandalous_a person_n and_o apparent_o wicked_a it_o be_v not_o likely_a that_o the_o apostle_n will_v else_o have_v 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the_o jew_n of_o old_a be_v under_o legal_a dispensation_n etc._n etc._n ans._n suppose_v that_o christian_a church_n be_v in_o a_o more_o spiritual_a and_o gracious_a frame_n than_o be_v the_o jew_n under_o the_o legal_a dispensation_n yet_o if_o then_o such_o parent_n as_o the_o proposition_n describe_v may_v have_v the_o initiatory_a seal_n apply_v to_o their_o infant_n and_o now_o may_v not_o how_o can_v it_o be_v deny_v but_o that_o now_o the_o christian_a church_n be_v in_o a_o worse_a case_n relate_v to_o their_o child_n successive_o than_o the_o church_n of_o the_o jew_n be_v for_o then_o such_o parent_n may_v have_v their_o child_n circumcise_v but_o now_o they_o may_v not_o have_v they_o baptize_v if_o this_o proposition_n be_v deny_v and_o though_o the_o grace_n of_o christ_n may_v be_v now_o enlarge_v in_o other_o respect_n yet_o in_o respect_n of_o child_n it_o be_v not_o enlarge_v but_o str●●t●ed_v by_o deny_v this_o proposition_n except_o we_o shall_v say_v that_o for_o 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and_o the_o text_n allege_v viz._n 〈◊〉_d 30.20_o ezek._n 37_o 25_o 26._o do_v show_n that_o when_o they_o shall_v be_v call_v their_o child_n shall_v be_v in_o as_o good_a estate_n as_o former_o but_o how_o can_v this_o be_v if_o the_o parent_n may_v be_v qualify_v as_o be_v express_v and_o yet_o may_v not_o have_v their_o child_n baptize_v be_v not_o this_o a_o render_n of_o they_o in_o respect_n of_o their_o child_n in_o a_o worse_a condition_n then_o former_o for_o the_o three_o particular_a the_o reverend_a author_n answer_v that_o the_o dent●ll_n of_o the_o proposition_n do_v not_o deny_v in_o sum_n what_o the_o synod_n say_v it_o do_v but_o the_o contrary_n ans._n in_o what_o the_o synod_n here_o say_v there_o be_v three_o particular_n contain_v or_o include_v 1._o that_o the_o mosaical_a dispensation_n and_o first_o institution_n of_o the_o initiatory_a seal_n do_v appoint_v that_o seal_n to_o be_v apply_v to_o such_o as_o stand_v regular_o in_o the_o church_n and_o covenant_n 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answer_n be_v a_o express_a denial_n of_o what_o the_o synod_n here_o say_v but_o to_o say_v the_o child_n in_o tit._n 1._o be_v not_o call_v faithful_a be_v direct_o to_o gainsay_v the_o text_n which_o do_v express_o so_o call_v they_o and_o that_o these_o child_n that_o be_v call_v faithful_a in_o tit._n 1._o be_v qualify_v above_o what_o the_o proposition_n require_v be_v not_o prove_v at_o all_o for_o the_o text_n that_o call_v they_o faithful_a say_v no_o more_o of_o they_o but_o that_o they_o be_v not_o accuse_v of_o riot_n or_o unruly_a and_o if_o this_o be_v sufficient_a for_o account_v they_o faithful_a those_o who_o the_o proposition_n describe_v may_v much_o more_o be_v so_o account_v because_o they_o be_v not_o only_o free_a from_o vnruliness_n and_o riot_n but_o partaker_n of_o sundry_a other_o good_a qualification_n
of_o the_o church_n and_o religion_n therein_o if_o the_o parent_n do_v not_o continue_v in_o the_o covenant_n than_o there_o may_v be_v some_o question_n whether_o the_o child_n be_v part_n of_o the_o church_n but_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o the_o synod_n speak_v of_o the_o child_n of_o those_o that_o continue_v in_o the_o covenant_n and_o if_o any_o think_v it_o to_o be_v a_o wellgrounded_n persuasion_n that_o the_o parent_n may_v continue_v in_o the_o covenant_n and_o yet_o the_o child_n of_o such_o parent_n be_v no_o part_n of_o the_o church_n we_o confess_v we_o see_v no_o sufficient_a ground_n for_o such_o a_o persuasion_n for_o the_o reverend_a author_n do_v here_o confess_v that_o it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o frame_n of_o the_o covenant_n run_v to_o we_o and_o to_o our_o seed_n after_o we_o in_o their_o generation_n pag._n 32._o and_o if_o this_o be_v true_a be_v it_o not_o then_o true_a that_o if_o the_o parent_n continue_v in_o the_o covenant_n the_o seed_n of_o such_o 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reverend_a author_n confess_v to_o be_v true_a that_o the_o frame_n of_o the_o covenant_n do_v not_o only_o run_v to_o they_o and_o to_o their_o seed_n but_o also_o run●_n to_o we_o and_o our_o seed_n in_o their_o generation_n and_o if_o this_o be_v true_a than_o what_o the_o synod_n gather_v from_o it_o be_v true_a also_o that_o god_n have_v so_o frame_v his_o covenant_n and_o the_o constitution_n of_o his_o church_n thereby_o as_o to_o design_n a_o continuation_n and_o propagation_n of_o his_o kingdom_n therein_o from_o one_o generation_n to_o another_o for_o it_o must_v needs_o be_v so_o if_o the_o covenant_n run_v to_o we_o and_o to_o our_o seed_n after_o we_o in_o their_o generation_n whereas_o the_o synod_n say_v that_o to_o keep_v in_o the_o line_n and_o under_o the_o influence_n and_o efficacy_n of_o this_o covenant_n of_o god_n in_o the_o true_a way_n to_o the_o church_n glory_n the_o answer_n of_o the_o reverend_a author_n in_o sum_n be_v this_o that_o it_o be_v so_o indeed_o when_o there_o be_v a_o succession_n of_o faith_n make_v visible_a to_o the_o church_n charitable_a judgement_n but_o not_o so_o when_o such_o a_o membership_n be_v set_v u●_n in_o christian_a church_n whereby_o infant_n shall_v be_v baptise_a by_o right_a from_o such_o parent_n as_o be_v not_o in_o f●ll_a communion_n for_o what_o influence_n and_o efficacy_n h●th_v the_o covenant_n upon_o such_o parent_n whereto_o the_o answer_n be_v that_o if_o the_o parent_n be_v qualify_v as_o this_o proposition_n express_v there_o be_v manifest_a influence_n of_o the_o covenant_n upon_o they_o though_o yet_o they_o be_v not_o come_v so_o far_o as_o to_o be_v fit_a for_o full_a communion_n for_o when_o they_o be_v admit_v in_o minority_n be_v now_o when_o adult_n not_o only_o free_a from_o scandal_n in_o life_n but_o also_o endow_v with_o a_o competency_n of_o knowledge_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n and_o solemn_o assent_v thereto_o and_o own_o the_o covenant_n and_o therein_o give_v up_o themselves_o and_o their_o child_n to_o the_o lord_n we_o conceive_v all_o this_o do_v import_v some_o influence_n and_o efficacy_n of_o the_o covenant_n upon_o they_o but_o if_o for_o all_o this_o they_o shall_v be_v disow_v from_o have_v any_o part_n in_o the_o church_n and_o covenant_n of_o god_n how_o then_o can_v that_o be_v deny_v which_o the_o synod_n here_o say_v that_o by_o this_o cut_n off_o and_o disavow_v the_o covenant_n zion_n be_v hinder_v from_o be_v a_o eternal_a excellency_n and_o the_o joy_n of_o many_o generation_n for_o whatever_o joy_n it_o may_v be_v to_o the_o first_o generation_n yet_o if_o all_o that_o follow_v though_o qualify_v as_o the_o proposition_n express_v be_v nevertheless_o deny_v to_o have_v any_o part_n in_o the_o covenant_n and_o church_n of_o god_n till_o fit_v for_o full_a communion_n we_o do_v not_o see_v how_o such_o follow_a generation_n can_v be_v any_o great_a excellency_n or_o joy_n at_o all_o the_o synod_n have_v say_v that_o this_o progress_n of_o the_o covenant_n establish_v the_o church_n deut._n 29.13_o jer._n 30.20_o and_o that_o therefore_o the_o contrary_n do_v disestablish_v it_o the_o reverend_a author_n answer_v that_o the_o argument_n be_v to_o be_v deny_v for_o it_o will_v not_o follow_v that_o if_o god_n do_v establish_v the_o church_n of_o the_o jew_n by_o such_o a_o successive_a progress_n of_o the_o covenant_n deut._n 29.13_o therefore_o he_o do_v so_o now_o pag._n 33._o a._n why_o do_v it_o not_o follow_v that_o if_o god_n do_v establish_v the_o church_n of_o the_o jew_n by_o a_o progress_n of_o the_o covenant_n that_o therefore_o he_o do_v so_o now_o be_v not_o that_o true_a which_o the_o reverend_a author_n confess_v to_o be_v true_a that_o the_o frame_n of_o the_o covenant_n run_v to_o we_o and_o our_o seed_n after_o we_o in_o their_o generation_n and_o be_v not_o that_o true_a also_o which_o the_o synod_n here_o say_v though_o the_o reverend_a author_n say_v nothing_o to_o it_o that_o god_n be_v a_o holy_a god_n and_o love_v the_o purity_n and_o glory_n of_o the_o church_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n when_o he_o go_v in_o this_o way_n of_o a_o successive_a progress_n of_o the_o covenant_n we_o suppose_v this_o can_v be_v deny_v and_o therefore_o if_o a_o progress_n of_o the_o covenant_n do_v establish_v the_o church_n then_o why_o not_o so_o now_o shall_v we_o think_v that_o the_o holy_a god_n do_v not_o so_o regard_v the_o purity_n of_o his_o church_n in_o those_o time_n and_o therefore_o do_v then_o establish_v the_o church_n in_o this_o way_n which_o now_o he_o will_v not_o do_v as_o be_v now_o more_o careful_a of_o the_o purity_n of_o his_o church_n we_o fear_v that_o to_o say_v this_o will_v be_v to_o the_o dishonour_n of_o god_n holiness_n and_o glory_n and_o plain_o it_o be_v that_o it_o be_v the_o same_o kingdom_n of_o god_n that_o be_v the_o same_o church-estate_n for_o substance_n and_o kind●_n which_o be_v take_v from_o the_o jew_n and_o give_v to_o the_o gentile_n mat._n 21.43_o and_o therefore_o the_o gentile_n be_v say_v to_o be_v fellow-he●rs_a and_o of_o the_o same_o body_n with_o they_o ephes._n 3.6_o and_o therefore_o what_o shall_v hinder_v but_o that_o if_o a_o progress_n of_o the_o covenant_n be_v a_o mean_n to_o establish_v the_o church_n then_o it_o may_v be_v the_o same_o in_o ●hese_fw-mi 〈◊〉_d also_o the_o synod_n have_v say_v in_o the_o conclusion_n of_o their_o five_o argument_n for_o confirm_v this_o five_o proposition_n that_o the_o more_o holy_a reform_v and_o glorious_a that_o the_o ●●m●s_n be_v or_o shall_v be_v the_o more_o eminent_o be_v a_o successive_a continuation_n and_o propagation_n of_o the_o church_n therein_o design_v promise_a and_o intend_v and_o have_v for_o this_o allege_v these_o scripture_n isa._n 60.15_o &_o
obtain_v the_o privilege_n of_o the_o other_o when_o actual_a enter_v into_o that_o office_n and_o state_n be_v hinder_v yet_o when_o such_o as_o be_v in_o church-estate_n already_o do_v desire_n to_o act_v as_o in_o the_o five_o proposition_n but_o be_v inevitable_o hinder_v from_o so_o act_v what_o shall_v hinder_v but_o they_o may_v have_v their_o child_n baptise_a as_o if_o they_o have_v so_o act_v indeed_o and_o why_o may_v not_o the_o instance_n of_o god_n accept_v of_o abraham_n offer_v his_o son_n of_o david_n building_n the_o temple_n and_o the_o other_o mention_v by_o the_o synod_n be_v sufficient_a proof_n hereof_o we_o see_v nothing_o to_o the_o contrary_n but_o they_o may_v whereto_o may_v be_v add_v that_o in_o 2_o chron._n 30._o where_o the_o people_n that_o prepare_v their_o heart_n to_o seek_v god_n be_v accept_v of_o god_n in_o the_o passeover_n though_o they_o be_v not_o cleanse_v according_a to_o the_o purification_n of_o the_o sanctuary_n yet_o whatever_o it_o be_v 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