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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A31094	A briefe answer to A discourse, lately written by one P.B., to prove baptisme under the defection of Antichrist, to be the ordinance of Iesus Christ, and the baptizing of infants to be agreeable to the word of God wherein is declared ... that true baptisme and a false church are inconsistent, and cannot stand together : and also maintained, that the baptizing of infants hath no authority from the Scriptures / by R. Barrow.	Barrow, Robert, d. 1697.	1642 (1642)	Wing B967; ESTC R12474	18,380	26

Gospell to those that were without that thereby they might be brought within Act. 26.17.18 and hee acknowledgeth himselfe a debtor to all men to the unwise as well as to the wise Rom. 1.14 when he saith therefore that hee hath nothing to doe with those that are without his meaning is that he hath nothing to doe to censure and deale with them that are without for their evills of incest whoredomes thefts c. he was not by Christ made a Judge over men in those matters 1 Cor. 5.12.13 no more then Christ himselfe was Luke 12.14 From this reason of his to prove Infants to be of the Church and therefore baptised viz. because the Apostle exhorts their parents to bring them up in the nurture of the Lord c. It will follow that because the Apostle Peter exhorts believing wives to be in subjection to their husbands that so although by the word they could not yet by their good conversation they might be won 1 Pet. 3.1.2 that therefore their unbelieving husbands were of the Church and baptised or else the Apostle medled with those with whom he had nothing to doe But he saith it 's an uncomfortable doctrine to hold that children are not of the Church for if they are not borne members of the Church then they are brought forth children to the divell pag. 25. I answer that by nature we are all alike the children of wrath Ephes. 2.3 our being of the Church depending upon our new birth and generation Iohn 3.3 and if all that were not borne members of the Church shall be damned then by P. B. his judgement seeing hee cannot prove any true visible church to be in the world page 3. and therefore no children to be borne in church there shall none at all be saved Is not this doctrine of his a very comfortable doctrine for else what end doth he conceive was the preaching of the Gospell ordained Matth. 28.19 Acts 26.18 He hath yet another argument which must needs be answered for in it there is great confidence placed and it 's this the children of believers are holy and therefore may be baptised 1 Cor. 7.14 To which I answer that the Apostle doth not say that the children of believers are holy but he saith That the unbelieving wife is sanctified to the believing husband that is lawfull for his use so that he may lawfully abide with her and needs not for her unbeliefe sake put her away as was scrupled verse 10.11 12. or else if that shee were not then the children which he should beget of her were uncleane or unholy whereas being sanctified or lawfull to his use they are cleane or holy that is legitimate for the holinesse of the children here spoken of is not concluded from the faith of parent but from the lawfull use which the believing husband hath of his unbelieving wife for so are the words The unbelieving husband is sanctified by or to the believing wife and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by or to the believing husband or else were your children uncleane but now are they holy This Scripture therfore proves no more holinesse in the children of believers then in the children lawfully he gotten in the honourable estate of marriage by unbelievers Hebr. 13.4 and so by consequence yeeldeth no better warrant for the baptising of the one then it doth for the baptising of the other but I intend brevity and therefore for further answer in this point I referre him to A. R. his booke lately printed wherein the same is handled at large These are the best reasons that P. B. can shew to prove the baptisme of Infants to be according to the word of God which in regard they cannot give satisfaction to some but they still notwithstanding doe sticke at the mater as they well may and desire a precept or an example to warrant the same and therefore he promiseth to shew both page 29. but first hee desireth that wee would give him an example of an unbaptised persons his baptising of others and of the refusing of Infants from being of the Church both which being before sufficiently declared we will now take notice how he performeth his promise First he saith There are examples of baptising of housholds as the Iaylers and Lydias Acts 16. and the house of Stephanus and questionlesse divers others pag. 29. But I demand an example for the baptising of Infants and not of baptising housholds of believers such as the Iaylors Act. 16.34 and Stephanus 1 Cor. 16.16 and Crispus Acts 18.8 and questionlesse divers others This is a bad example for an example he will have it called though it be none at all to prove that the baptisme of Infants which must be thus declared housholds were baptised but in some housholds there are Infants therefore Infan●s have been baptised This is as plaine an example to prove the baptisme of Infants as this that followeth is to prove the baptising of notorious drunkards swearers thieves murtherers c. whole housholds have beene baptised but in some houses there are notorious drunkards swearers thieves murtherers c. therfore the Apostles baptised such and such may be baptised Who seeth not your folly Another example as plaine as this followeth The whole Church of Colosse were buried with Christ in baptisme but children were a part of the Church therefore Infants were baptised Col. 3.20.21 I answer that the whole Church of Colosse were buried with Christ in baptisme and that there were children in that Church to whom the Apostle wrote and exhorted to obey their parents in all things Col. 3.20 But our question is about Infants and not children in generall some wherof are grown to yeers of understanding as these were to whom the Apostle wrote for sure P. B. will not say he wrote to Infants which could not understand what he saith In Gen. 43.14 when Iacob sent his sonne Benjamine into Egypt he useth these words concerning him and Ioseph If I am bereaved of my children I am bereaved Now by his reason Benjamine who was about seventeene yeeres old and Ioseph who was about thirty yeeres of age should both of them be Infants because their father called them children These examples will yeeld as little satisfaction to any that question the baptising of Infants as his Reasons before answered But although these examples faile yet page 31. he saith there is a plaine command of Iesus Christ for the baptising of Infants and it appeareth thus Many nations appeare to be Abrahams and to have him for their father now all these nations in which there must needs be some children by the expresse command of Iesus Christ Mat. 28.19 are to be baptised I answer Abraham was to be a father of many nations some whereof were his naturall and carnall seed borne after the flesh as Ishmael and the Iewes who for unbeliefe were rejected and cast off with the old and carnall Covenant or Testament as was shewed before Others were so to be