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A69195	Certaine demandes with their grounds, drawne out of holy writ, and propounded in foro conscientiæ by some religious gentl. vnto the reverend fathers, Richard archbishop of Canterbury, Richard bishop of London, William bishop of Lincolne, Garvase bishop of Worcester, William bishop of Exeter, & Thomas bishop of Peterbourough wherevnto the said gentl. require that it would please their lordships to make a true, plaine, direct, honest and resolute aunswere.	Bancroft, Richard, 1544-1610.	1605 (1605)	STC 6572.5; ESTC S112734	57,418	70

with by any facultie of humane authoritie Yea and whether any humane dispensation or purgative receipt may be of such validitie and operation in foro conscientiae that it may exempt the patient or the dispencer in foro conscientiae from sinne in case hee iudge his apparell crossings and kneelings to be vncleane For though the Christian Magistrate be perswaded through the Lord Iesus that there is nothing vncleane of it selfe yet to him that iudgeth it vncleane to him it is vncleane And therefore albeit the christian Magistrate may not sinne in his commandement yet may neither Minister nor people be without sinne in their obedience For the conscience only of the cōmander be he never so Christian can not be any warrant for the conscience of him that obeyeth doubtingly But Sirs it is their folly their wilfull peevishnes that having bene so long a time instructed they have no better profited in the knowledg of their christian libertie of the cleanes of the things by my faith if they continew weake longe it were not amisse to bring some of them to the stake Oh! my Lords bona verba quaesumus soft fire maketh sweet malt preach faith we beseech your Lordships but swear not by your faith For by your Lordships favour if the Apostle having aswel by doctrine as by example taught the weak brethren among the Romans and Corinthians of their Christian libertie did neither reprove them of peevishnes wilfulnes or folly neither yet condemne their ignorance of Christian libertie to be a sinne against Christ albeit the same their ignorance consisted only about the vse of meates created for the benefit of mans life wee desire your Lordships to resolve vs out of holy Writt whether ignorance of Christian libertie in the weake of our time which consisteth about the vse of things dedicated to the service of an Idoll may be a sinne against Christ for not vsing the same in the worship of the true God Besides we demand by what rule of holy wtitt your Lordships in these things may condemne an other mans servant or iudge his errour of christian libertie in this case to bee worthy of punishment For seeing ye be not able to make him stand whom God hath left weak not inabled to stand And seeing the Apostle did not prescribe vnto the weake brethren of his time any time for the amendement of their errour of the not vse of things indifferent but did rather bind him self all other for all ages to come by his example never to eate flesh while the world standeth that he might not offend his brother or cause him to fall or to stumble The Apostle we say having appointed no time no not while the world stādeth in this case all others of the same nature we demand by what rule of holy Writt your Lordships may limite a certaine time as by the eight tenth or twelfe moneth for the reformation of iudgment in this but supposed errour of not vsing Popish apparell crossings and kneelings Nay if by the decree canons of the Apostle both Ministers people be infranchised to vse and not to vse these things freely frankly without lett we then demand by what rule of holy Writ it may be lawfull for your Synode by a provinciall ordinance and constitution to change and to turne this their Christian freedome and libertie into a meere slavish servitude and necessitie And therefore we protest from your Synod and avow that your Synode in this case was not guided by the spirite of Christ and that therevpon it followeth your decrees so many of them as abate the edge of charitie whetted vpon the brethren by the Apostles rule or bringing into bondage againe servants manumissed by the authoritie of Christ that the same your decrees are both erroneous in them selves and iniurious to the church of God For vnlesse the world have bene dissolved since the Apostles tyme and that the same world stand not now which stood then or vnles the same be not charitie now and the same freedome now which the Apostle cōmended for charitie and left for freedome or vnles you would have vs winke with our eyes least we should see and stoppe our eares least wee should heare and harden our heartes least we should vnderstand consequently have no faith except it be a Synodall a Provinciall or a Canturbury-church faith we must needes speake both what wee have seene what we have heard and what we have vnderstood out of holy scriptures Namely that some of your Synodall decrees be opposite repugnant to the Apostles both christian charitie and christian libertie For if it be sinne for one brother to do any acte by doing whereof an other brothers conscience is wounded and made weak if also whosoever shall wound the weake conscience of a brother and sinne against a brother doth sinne against Christ then of necessitie be your canons of popish rites ceremonies both vncharitable canons against your brethren sinfull canons against Christ For though it were free for christians to vse Copes Surplices square Cappes Crosses c. civilly vpon their backes heads or foreheads yet if some remayne ignorant of this libertie and thinking them to be vncleane as having bene things offered to the service of an Idoll should by the example of others with wavering consciences enterprise to vse them when inwardly they thinke the vse of them to displease God if in this case we saye men shall sinne against Christ how much more shall they sinne against Christ when they shall vse them in the worship of God against which vse they have many testimonies out of holy Writt seated in their consciences by the finger of God that their vse is altogether vnlawfull in the worship of God On the other side if it be no sinne against Christ for weake brethren not to vse either these or any other relickes monumentes and memorialls of Idolatrie in the service and worship of the true God If also the weake in faith can not vse thē waveringly without sinne against Christ If lastly they have libertie and freedome by the Apostles doctrine not to vse them at all we desire your Lordships to resolve vs out of holy Writt how it may be lawfull in foro conscientiae to bring weake brethren before the seates of Magistrates to excommunicate them to revile them to speak all maner of evill against them for vsing their Apostolicall freedome for being charitable and for not committing sinne But Sirs by your patience they be not handled after any such maner simply and only for not vsing the Surplice not making a crosse not kneeling in the act of receyving the communion but for contempt of not vsing and making the same and not kneeling at the comandement of the christian Magistrate whom not to obey in things indifferent is to sinne against Christ and for this sinne they ought to be excommunicated c. Though this be a Maxime in some

a multitude of Ministers who be not able to preach the worde whereas there is not one preacher but he is able to put on a ministeriall garment What then did ever any Preacher we praye you when hee was made a Minister bind him selfe by a solemne vowe to weare a ministeriall garment No. And did not every Minister when he was made a Minister binde him selfe by a solemne vowe to preache the worde Yea And how then cometh it to passe vnlesse the wearing of a ministeriall garment bee reputed more precious then is the preaching of the Worde that the not wearing of the one by a Preacher and the not preaching of the other by a Minister should bee offences in degree of peyne vnmatchable especially when as the not preaching is a breache of the ordinance of God and the not wearing of a Ministeriall garment but a transgression of the lawe of man When any husbandman shall have sowen cleane and pure wheate in his field if the envious man shall sowe tares in this case if the husbandman plucke vp the wheate and let the tares growe would you commend his husbandrie But your Lordships will sow the fieldes with purer Wheate and provide men of softer Spirits lesse Novelous better affected to the state and of more discretion and maturitie of iudgement Indeed if it may please your Lordships this is soone saide but by your leaves the thing is not so sone done yea and besides we demand what good securitie your Lordships can give vnto the King and State in this case For in a matter of so great danger as is the perill of the soules of the Kinges subiectes it were no good saftie in our opinion to trust your bare wordes for the time to come when as in time past vpon pretence of the wante of able preaching Ministers ye have thought it fitt rather then to have none at all to reteyne a number of vnpreaching ministers knowne to bee no better then idle beastes and flow bellies And if your Lordships already have such a sufficient number of learned sober wise and softe spirited Preachers to bee disposed vpon vacant benefices at your commaunde as that you bee able to furnishe the Churches of all those ministers whom you intend to deprive for not conformitie vpon an instant wee praye your Lordshippes to resolve the Kinge what charitie you have carryed towarde his people in time past when you have collated for a great parte the benifices of your owne giftes either vpon no Preachers or at leastwise vpon strawberie preachers but if your Lordshippes intende hereafter to sende foorth Preachers that shall yeeld beryes not once in the yeare onely but at the least strawe once every moneth then wee demande what thankes you would con̄ your Stewardes in case they should provide no better Cookes for the dressing of your dyners then such onely as vnder one whole monethes space could not dispatch the roasting of an egge or frying of a smelt If your Lordships thinke that the preaching Ministers not yealding to the Christian Magistrates authoritie in the not vsing of this ministeriall falsly by you so called indifferent apparell by such their disobedience may bee an example vnto the people of like disobedience in other matters Then wee demande whether your Lordshippes carry not a testimonie in your owne consciences that their abstayning from the vse of Ministeriall apparrell proceede not rather from an honest and good hearte to the obedience of GOD then of any evill affection conceyved against the authoritie of the Magistrate for before the Kingdome of England was lawfully invested in the Royal person of our Soveraine Lord King IAMES did not sundry of them abide many sharpe reproches and bitter tauntes for their Scotizing and defending the single forme of church policie vpheld by the Kings authoritie in the Realme of Scotland yea and doe not the same Ministers now at this day hartily and devoutly pray for the life and prosperitie of the King the Queene the noble yong Prince and all other the Kings Royall progenie yea and excepting this one point of their not conformitie vnto the ceremonies wherein they alleadge for them selves the conscience of the vnlawfulnes and inconvenience of the said ceremonies are they not knowne to be men worthy to be respected as the Ministers of Christ men of good reputation for learning of honest conversation and peaceable among their neighbours and men very obedient this one thing excepted to all authoritie by whose good doctrine also and example of life the Magistrates in every Countie have found it more easie to continew the common people in the dewties of their subiection and loyaltie to the supreme power Nay which is more at this very instant doe not they extraordinarily declare and testifie their love their loyaltie and their fidelitie vnto the King when by their loanes they supply the Kings want though in the meane time they them selves want and be driven to borrow to supply their owne necessities if then in these great and waightie things appertaining to the dignitie of the Kings Crowne they carefully and holily approve thē selves to be both teachers followers of the Apostles doctrine would they not aswell trow you by the wearing of a ministeriall garment subiect their neckes to the Kings authoritie if by a greater band of faith obedience to the most high and mightie God they were not drawne to the not wearing thereof Touching the reason yealded by some that ministeriall apparell is to distinguish the minister from other men it seemeth vnto vs to be a reason altogether without reason for albeit the outward forme of a Ministers ordinary apparell may lawfully and expediently differ from the outward fashion of apparell common to other men and so the Ministers person by his apparell may be knowne vnto all such as know him not by face Neverthelesse it is void of all sense that his ministeriall apparell in the publike service of that Church whereof he is a Minister should bee an inseparable note to distinguish his person from the persons of every of his people For sithence by name by face by office by place by voice yea by ordinary apparrell also every minister is or ought to be known vnto his people what a kind of foundnesse is it to imagine that a minister can better be knowne by wearing of a ministeriall garment then by the dewe execution of his ministeriall function Concerning the reason of decencie and comlines vrged by some for the vse of a white ministeriall garment in the ministerie of the Gospell because the same cometh more aptly to bee discussed in the question following we will not trouble your Lordships at this time with any other matter about the two first demandes And therefore we will proceede to the thirde which for your Lordships better remembrance we hold it not amisse to repeate againe If it bee lawfull for a soveraine Magistrate by authoritie of holy writt to ordeine and appropriate a