Irish Statute or Custom Object But it will be said that Writs of Error are only upon failure of justice in Ireland and that suits cannot originally be commenced here for things done in Ireland because the Kings Writ runs not in Ireland Answ This might be a good Plea in the Kings-Bench and inferior Courts at Westminster-Hall the question is Whether it be so in Parliament The Kings Writ runs not within the County-Palatine of Chester and Durham nor within the Five Ports neither did it in Wales before the Union of Henry the 8th's time after the Laws of England were brought into Wales in King Edw. the 1. time Suits were not originally commenced at Westminster-Hall for things done in them yet this never excluded the Parliament-suits for Life Lands and Goods within these jurisdictions are determinable in Parliament as well as in any other parts of the Realm Ireland as appears by the Statute of the Thirtieth year of Henry 3. before-mentioned is united to the Crown of England By the Statute of the Eight and twentieth year of Hen. 6th in Ireland it is declared in these words That Ireland is the proper Dominion of England and united to the Crown of England which Crown of England is of it self and by it self wholly and intirely endowed with all Power and Authority sufficient to yield to the Subjects of the same full and plenary remedy in all Debates and Suits whatsoever By the Statute of the Three and twentieth year of Henry the 8th the first Chapter when the Kings of England first assumed the Title of King of Ireland it is there Enacted that Ireland still is to be held as a Crown annexed and united to the Crown of England So that by the same reason from this that the Kings Writs run not in Ireland it might as well be held that the Parliament cannot originally hold Plea of things done within the County-Palatine of Chester and Durham nor within the Five Ports and Wales Ireland is a part of the Realm of England as appears by those Statutes as well as any of them This is made good by constant practice in all the Parliament Rolls from the first to the last there are Receivers and Tryers of Petitions appointed for Ireland for the Irish to come so far with their Petitions for Justice and the Parliament not to have cognizance when from time to time they had in the beginning of the Parliament appointed Receivers and Tryers of them is a thing not to be presumed An Appeal in Ireland brought by William Lord Vesey against John Fitz-Thomas for Treasonable words there spoken before any Judgment given in Case there was removed into the Parliament in England and there the Defendant acquitted as appears in the Parliament Pleas of the Two and twentieth year of Edw. 1. The Suits for Lands Offices and Goods originally begun here are many and if question grew upon matter in Fact a Jury usually ordered to try it and the Verdict returned into the Parliament as in the Case of one Ballyben in the Parliament of the Five and thirtieth year of Edw. the 1. If a doubt arose upon a matter tryable by Record a Writ went to the Officers in whose custody the Record remained to certifie the Record as was in the Case of Robert Bagott the same Parliament of the Five and thirtieth year of Edw. the 1. where the Writ went to the Treasurer and Barons of the Exchequer Sometimes they gave Judgment here in Parliament and commanded the Judges there in Ireland to do execution as in the great Case of Partition between the Copartners of the Earl-Marshal in the Parliament of the Three and thirtieth of Edward the 1. Where the Writ was awarded to the Treasurer of Ireland My Lords The Laws of Ireland were introduced by the Parliament of England as appears by Three Acts of the Parliament before cited It is of higher Jurisdiction Dare Leges then to judge by them The Parliaments of England do bind in Ireland if Ireland be particularly mentioned as is resolved in the Book-Case of the First year of Henry the Seventh Cook 's Seventh Report Calvin's Case and by the Judges in Trinity-Term in the Three and thirtieth year of Queen Elizabeth The Statute of the Eighth year of Edward the 4th the first Chapter in Ireland recites That it was doubted amongst the Judges whether all the English Statutes though not naming Ireland were in force there if named no doubt From King Henry the 3d his time downwards to the Eighth year of Queen Elizabeth by which Statute it is made Felony to carry Sheep from Ireland beyond Seas in almost all these Kings Reigns there be Statutes made concerning Ireland The exercising of the Legislative Power there over their Lives and Estates is higher than of the Judicial in question until the 29th year of Edward the 3d erroneous Judgments given in Ireland were determinable no where but in England no not in the Parliament of Ireland as it appears in the close Rolls in the Tower in the 29th year of Edward the 3d. Memb. 12. Power to examine and reverse erroneous Judgments in the Parliaments of Ireland is granted from hence Writs of Error lye in the Parliament here upon erroneous Judgments after that time given in the Parliaments of Ireland as appears in the Parliament Rolls of the Eighth year of Henry the 6th N o 70. in the Case of the Prior of Lenthan It is true the Case is not determined there for it 's the last thing that came into the Parliament and could not be determined for want of time but no exception at all is taken to the Jurisdiction The Acts of Parliament made in Ireland have been confirmed in the Parliaments of England as appears by the close Rolls in the Tower in the Two and fortieth year of Edward the 3d. Memb. 20. Dorso where the Parliament in Ireland for the preservation of the Countrey from Irish who had almost destroyed it made an Act That all the Land-Owners that were English should reside upon their Lands or else they were to be forfeited this was here confirmed In the Parliament of the Fourth year of Henry the 5th Chap. 6. Acts of Parliament in Ireland are confirmed and some priviledges of the Peers in the Parliaments there are regulated Power to repeal Irish Statutes Power to confirm them cannot be by the Parliament here if it hath not cognizance of their Parliaments unless it be said that the Parliament may do it knows not what Garnsey and Jersey are under the Kings subjection but are not parcels of the Crown of England but of the Duchy of Normandy they are not governed by the Laws of England as Ireland is and yet Parliaments in England have usually held Plea of and determined all Causes concerning Lands or Goods In the Parliament in the 33 Edward 1. there be Placita de Insula Jersey And so in the Parliament 14 Edw. 2. and so for Normandy and Gascoigne and always as long as any part of
confessed he had taken to be secret Exceptions taken against the L. Digby for words concerning Goring's Oath saying he was a perjured man After a warm Debate upon it and he had in his Place Explained himself yet the House not being satisfied with it he was ordered to withdraw A Petition was this day read in the House of Lords The Factious Sectaries disturb the People at the Communion declaring the great Disorders committed in the Parish Churches of Saint Saviours and St. Olaves in Southwark in time of the Administration of the Communion hereupon it was Ordered That the Names of the particular Offenders be given in to this House and then this House will give such Order therein as stands with Justice and the Desert of the Cause These were the Men for Reformation whom nothing not the most Sacred Duty of Christian Religion could keep within the bounds of Decency and Order The Lords finding themselves Extremely Pressed by the bringing Writs of Errors upon Judgments into their House whereby the Publique Affairs were much retarded Order of the Lords about Writs of Error made this Order Ordered That such persons that bring in Writs of Error into this House upon a Judgment given in a Court of Justice and if it appear that there is no Just Cause of Error in the said Judgment but merely for delay of Justice and Execution that then such Costs is to be given against the Parties that bring the Writ of Error as the House shall think fit to give in that Case And that the Record shall be remitted whence it came that the Defendant may take out Execution upon the Judgment The House of Commons Sitting late the last Night upon the Debate concerning the Lord Digby Wednesday June 9. and some persons calling for Candles which the major part opposed being inclined to rise but by mistake the Candles being brought in Sir William Widdrington and Sir Herbert Price sent to the Tower for bringing in Candles against the desire of the House and Sir William Widdrington and Sir Herbert Price taking them from the Serjeant without a General Command which occasioned a great disturbance in the House Mr. Hollis made a Speech in aggravation of their Offence shewing That the House of Commons being a Rule and Example of Order there ought to be no Disorders within those Walls for that if there were such within well might it be Expected there would be without and that it might be the occasion of shedding much blood among themselves if upon such a difference Parties should have sided one against another Whereupon though both the Gentlemen made their Submission and craved the Pardon of the House yet they were immediately committed Prisoners to the Tower during the Pleasure of the House The House then fell upon the last Nights Debate concerning Colonel Goring's Discovery and it was Resolved Vote in favour of Colonel Goring's discovery c. That Col. Goring in his Depositions concerning the Discovery has done nothing contrary to Justice or Honor but has therein deserved well of the Commonwealth and of this House By this time I doubt not but the Reader 's Curiosity will prompt him to know the meaning of this Conspiracy which made as much noise in London and indeed throughout England as ever the famous Conspiracy of Cataline did at Rome I will give him the best Information I can from the Memoires of the Lord Manchester and in his own words TO prevent the Earl of Strafford's Death An Account of the Conspiracy in the Army from the Memoires of the Earl of Manchester saith he several Designs had been upon the Wheel but all failed therefore it was consulted how to Engage the Army in the North to serve the King in order to his Freedom from the Parliaments Fetters metre le Roy hors d' paye as the Royalists termed it This occasioned several Addresses to the Principal Commanders in the North but they were fearful and backward to entertain any Motions or Propositions which might put them upon a breach with the Parliament But Mr. Percy and Mr. Jermin finding a great discontent in those Commanders of the Army who were Members of Parliament as Col. Wilmot Col. Ashburnham and Col. Pollard who thought that their Services had merited much better of the Parliament then that the Scotch Officers and Scots Army should be preferred before them in their Gratuities and in their Pay These Commanders owning that the Parliament had disobliged them gave Mr. Percy a rise to press with greater Earnestness his design of Engaging them to serve the King and to that End an Oath of Secrecy was â—amed and others were admitted into their Confederacy as Mr. Jâ—â—â—in and Mr. Goring and Propositions were framed But it fell out in this as in most Conspiracies of the like Nature that though the same Oath was taken by all that met together yet it was not taken by all with the same persuasion or intention For Col. Goring whose Ambition was not answered in being promised the Place of Lieutenant General of the Army and finding others employed whose persons he disliked he having a full Information from Mr. Percy and Mr. Jermin of all the Design thought it would tend most to his Security and Advantage to reveal the Conspiracy and being versed in all the Methods of falshood he chose the Time and Means which he thought would be most acceptable and obliging to the Parliament He therefore first imparts it to the Earl of Newport who was his particular Friend and desired him to bring him to some other Lords of the Parliament such as might be most likely to prevent that Mischief which was intended and accordingly the next day about Evening the Lord Newport brought him to the Earl of Bedford and the Lord Mandeville to whom he first made a Protestation of his Fidelity to the Parliament and of his readiness to run all hazards for the Safety of it Then he imparted the substance of the Design and desired them to make what Use of it they thought fit for their own and the Common-wealths Security but not to bring him as the Accuser of the Persons except Necessity did require it The Lords who had this Design revealed unto them thought it necessary to discharge themselves and communicated it to some Members of the House of Commons by whose Advice it was agreed That Goring should repair to his Government at Portsmouth and that so soon as he was gone the Persons whom he had discovered to be Actors in this Design should be apprehended but private Notice being given to Mr. Percy and Mr. Jermin they prevented the Justice of the Parliament by their Escape out of England Mr. Percy with some difficulty and hazzard took Shipping in a private Port in Sussex Mr. Jermin ventured upon Goring's Faithfulness to him and brought unto him a Warrant under the King's Hand to see him safely transported in one of his Frigots which he obeyed with Care and
come in further Agitation and discussion in this Honourable House 9. Lastly The Judges Opinions are not usually call'd upon in Parliament but when upon Debate great and difficult Points in Law do arise where this most Honourable doth think fit to Command their Opinions but no Resolutions do belong unto the said Judges in Parliament but unto your Lordships yet in the Front and Preamble of the said Questions the Resolution of the said Questions by the Judges is forthwith desired to be required by your Lordships in Writing Although the first Question Viz. Whether the Subjects of this Kingdom c. be positively resolved by the Preamble to the said Questions in which it is likewise declared That the said Judges Answers thereunto are not desired For any Doubt or Ambiguity which may be conceived or thought of for or concerning the Premisses nor of the said Questions but for Manifestation and Declaration of a clear Truth and of the Laws and Statutes already planted and setled in this Kingdom And they conceive it is impossible to make any Manifestation or Declaration of Law or Statutes which may hold or be useful upon such general Questions as most of these are namely by what Laws in what Cases of what Power of what Force How Where and Why by Whom Wherefore what punishment by what Rule of Policy in what Condition of Persons In regard that the next succeeding Judges may be of another Opinion and that a Circumstance may alter the Reason of the Law in many particular Cases which the Wit of Man is not able to foresee or give a general Rule in And they say That to give any satisfaction to your Lordships or the Honourable House of Commons would make up a great Volume and require far more time then your Lordships have afforded unto the said Judges considering their great Toyl in the Circuits the last long Vacation their other Employments in the Common-wealth at their daily Attendance on your Lordships in Parliaments and in ordering Courts of Justice and yet lest they may seem to come any way short in performance of that Duty which they confess to be due unto your Lordships or be wanting in promoting and advancing the Good of the Common-wealth which they believe to be aimed at by the said Questions though it may seem to draw Damage or Prejudice upon their Particulars They do in all humbleness present unto your Lordships the ensuing Answers unto the said Questions which is as much as by their Oaths or in their Duty they owe unto His Sacred Majesty before his Princely pleasure be therein signified they can answer thereunto TO the First they Answer That the Subjects of this Kingdom are a Free People and are for the general to be Govern'd only by the Common Laws of England and Statutes of Force in this Kingdom yet they say That as in England many Statutes are grown obsolete and out of use and some particular Ancient Laws as well in Criminal as Civil Causes have been changed by Interpretation of the Judges there as they found it most agreeable for the general Good of the Common-wealth and as the Times did require it so our Predecessors the Judges of this Kingdom as the Necessity of the Times did move them did declare the Law in some particular Cases otherwise then the same is practised in England which the now Judges cannot alter without apparent diminution of a great part of His Majesties standing Revenue and opening a Gap for the shaking and questioning the Estates of many of His Majesties Subjects and the overthrowing of several Judgments Orders and Decrees which depend thereupon For Example If it be found by Office of Record sufficient for Form That a Man was killed in actual Rebellion and at the time of his Death he was seised of Lands Hereditaments Goods or Chattels by the constant Declaration of Law and Practise in former times here the Crown was Intitled to such Lands Goods and Chattels and many Mens Estates depend thereupon and yet the Law is not so taken in England So If one or more commit Felony and then stand out upon his or their keeping and he or they will not submit themselves to be tryed by the Law but being in that Case do rob or spoil and terrifie His Majesties People whereby the Country is disquieted This by the constant Opinion of our Predecessors in this Kingdom hath been adjudged a Levying of War within the Statute of 25 E. 3. and so consequently Treason Also by the common received Opinion and Practice of this Kingdom the Wife is to have a Third of all the Goods and Chattels and Credits of her Husband the Debts being paid although he dispose of all by his Will from her And yet the constant Practise is otherwise in England And other Instances of that kind might be made so that that word Only must receive a benign Exposition before the first Question can receive a general Answer in the Affirmative Secondly Many Causes of great Weight and Consequence in this Kingdom are to be Decreed and Ordered by Equity in the proper Courts of Equity and in Course of State at the Council Board and by particular Customes not contrary to Law for which the Common Law and Statutes of Force in this Kingdom gave no Remedy Thirdly There are several other Laws of Force in England and Ireland so far as they have been received which though some would have to be part of the Common Law of England yet we find them particularly distinguished from it in our Printed Books and Parliament Rolls in England As Lex Consuetudo Parliamenti jura Belli Ecclesiastical or Canon Law in certain Cases Civil Law in some Cases not only in Ecclesiastical Courts but in the Courts of Constable and Marshal and of the Admiralty and upon particular occasions in other Courts Lex Mercatoria c. 2. To the Second they say That the Judges of this Kingdom do take the Oath of Judges which Oath is specified amongst the Statutes in 18 E. 3. And is afterwards explained by the Stat. of 20 E. 3. And that they may not stay hinder or delay the Suit of any Subject or his Judgment or Execution thereupon otherwise than according to the Law and Course of the Court when they Sit under pretence of any Act of State Proclamation Writ Letter or Direction under the Great or Privy Seal or Privy Signet or Letter or other Commandment Lord Lieutenant Lord Deputy Justice Justices or other Chief Governors of this Kingdom most of which doth appear by their Oath expressed in the Statutes and the Statute of 20 E. 3. c. 8. And the Statute of 20 E. 3. c. 2. as to the Barons of the Exchequer And that as they know no Punishments due to Judges for their Deviations and Transgressions without other Aggravation so they know no punishment laid down by any Law against them for their Deviations and Transgressions in hindering staying or delaying of Justice contrary to their said Oath
Majesty's said Letters or the said Act of State and not otherwise The Commons not being satisfied with these Sober and Calm Resolutions of the Judges fell to Voting their own Sense and to make Declarations of the Law upon their former Queries as followeth Questions propounded in Parliament And Declarations of the Law thereupon in Parliament Quest 1. The Declaration of the Commons in Ireland upon the Queries propounded to the Judges WHether the Subjects of this Kingdom be a Free People and to be Governed only by the Common Laws of England and Statutes of Force in this Kingdom Declarat The Subjects of this his Majesties Kingdom of Ireland are a free People and to be Governed only according the Common Law of England and Statutes made and established by Parliament in this Kingdom of Ireland and according to the Lawful Customs used in the same 2. Quest Whether the Judges of this Land do take the Oath of Judges And if so Whether under pretext of any Act of State Proclamation Writ Letter or Direction under the Seal or Privy Seal Signet or Letter or other Commandment from the Lord Lieutenant Lord Deputy Justice Justices or other Chief Governor or Governors of this Kingdom they may hinder stay or delay the Suit of any Subject or his Judgment or Execution thereupon If so in what Cases And whether if they do hinder stay or delay such Suit or Judgment or Execution thereupon what Punishment do they incur for their deviation and transgression therein Declarat That Judges in Ireland ought to take the Oath of the Justices or Judges declared and established in several Parliaments of Force in this Kingdom and the said Judges or any of them by Color or under Pretext of any Act of State or Proclamation or under Color or Protext of any Writ Letter or Direction under the Great Seal Privy Seal or Privy Signet from the King 's Most Excellent Majesty or by Color or Pretext of any Letter or Commandment from the Chief Governor or Governors of this Kingdom ought not to hinder or delay the Suit of any Subject or his Judgment or Execution thereupon and if any Letters Writs or Commands come from his Majesty or from any other or for any other Cause to the Justices or to the other deputed to do the Law and right according to the Usage of the Realm in disturbance of the Law or of the Execution of the same or of Right to the Party the Justices and others aforesaid ought to proceed and hold their Courts and Processes where the Pleas and Matters be depending before them as if no such Letters Writs or Commandments were come to them And in case any Judge or Judges Justice or Justices be found in default therein he or they so found in default ought to incur and undergo due Punishment according to the Law and former Declarations and Provisions in Parliament in that Case made and of Force in this Kingdom or as shall be Ordered Adjudged or Declared in Parliament And the Barons of the Exchequer Justices of the Assize and Goal-delivery if they be found in default as aforesaid It is hereby declared That they ought to undergo the Punishment aforesaid 3. Quest Whether the Kings Majesties Privy Council either with the Chief Governor or Governors of this Kingdom or without him or them be a Place of Judicature by the Commons Laws and wherein Causes between Party and Party for Debts Trespasses Accompts Possessions or Title of Lands or any of them or which of them may be heard and determined and of what Civil Causes they have Jurisdiction and by what Law And of what Force is their Order or Decree in such Cases or any of them Declarat The Council Table of this Realm either with the Chief Governor or Governors or without the Chief Governor or Governors is no Judicatory wherein any Action Real Personal Popular or Mixt or any Suit in the Nature of the said Actions or any of them can or ought to be Commenced Heard or Determined and all Proceedings at the Council Table in any Suit in the nature of any of the said Actions are void especially Causes particularly provided for by express Acts of Parliament of Force in this Kingdom only excepted 4. Quest The Like of the Chief Governor alone Declarat The Proceedings before the Chief Governor or Governors alone in any Action Real Personal Popular or Mixt or in any Suit in the Nature of any of the said Actions are Coram non Judice and void 5. Quest Whether Grants of Monopolies be warranted by the Law and of what and in what Cases and how and where and by whom are the pretended Transgressors against such Grants punishable and whether by Fine Mutilation of Members Imprisonment Loss and Forfeiture of Goods or otherwise and which of them Declarat All Grants of Monopolies are contrary to the Laws of this Realm and therefore void and no Subject of the said Realm ought to be Fined Imprisoned or otherwise Punished for exercising or using the Lawful Liberty of a Subject contrary to such Grants 6. Quest In what Cases the Lord Lieutenant Lord Deputy or other Chief Governor or Governors of this Kingdom and Council may punish by Fine Imprisonment Mutilation of Members Pillory or otherwise And whether they may Sentence any to such the same or the like punishment for infringing the Commands of or concerning any Proclamation of and concerning Monopolies and what punishment do they incur that Vote for the same Declarat The Lord Lieutenant Lord Deputy or other Chief Governor or Governors and Council of this Realm or any of them ought not to imprison any of his Majesties Subjects but only in Cases where the Common Laws or Statutes of the Realm do inable and warrant them so to do and they ought not to Fine or to Consure any Subject in mutilation of Member standing on the Pillory or other shameful Punishment in any Case at the Council Table and no Subject ought to be Imprisoned Fined or otherwise Punished for Infringing any Commands or Proclamation for the support or Countenance of Monopolies and if in any Case any Person or Persons shall be committed by the Command or Warrant of the Chief Governor or Governors and Privy Council of this Realm or any of them That in every such Case every Person or Persons so Committed restrained of his or their Liberty or suffering Imprisonment upon Demand or Motion made by his or their Counsel or other imployed by him or them for that purpose unto the Judges of the Court of Kings-Bench or Common-Pleas in open Court shall without delay upon any Pretence whatsoever for the ordinary Fees usually paid for the same have forthwith granted unto him or them a Writ or Writs of Habeas Corpus to be directed generally unto all and every Sheriff Goaler Minister Officer or other Person in whose Custody the Party or Parties so Committed or Restrained shall be shall at the Return of the said Writ or Writs and
not to tender a thing called a Plea and Demurrer As also that the Commons conceive they ought to have been called in this Case for that they have desired it in both their Charges to be present at their Answer and that it was their Right to have been called Further They observe the long delay to the Commons for that they having charged these 13 Bishops long since for meer matter of Fact to be brought so late to Answer may introduce great inconveniencies in this particular and in the Consequences and is not Exampled by former Precedents That therefore upon these Grounds the Commons desire the Lords they may be admitted to make good their proof against these 13 Bishops and that they may be brought to Judgment It was this day Ordered by the Lords Tuesday Decemb. 7. Some Causes in Parliament determinable in no other Court That Forasmuch as the Cause between Smith and Busby in a Writ of Error decidable in no other Court but in Parliament in regard the Suit was Commenced by Original Writ and depending long before the Lords here it having been sundry days attended for Argument with Counsel And being it is a matter in Law the presence of the Judges is thought needful and so cannot be heard in the Term without prejudice to the several Courts of Westminster-Hall It is therefore Ordered by this House That the said Case shall be argued at this Bar on Thursday Sevennight next being the 16th of this Instant December and the Judges are desired to be present at the said Argument And further That the Parties of either side or their Council are to attend and come prepared for arguing and debating the Points in the said Case at their perils The following Commission to give Power to the English Commissioners of both Houses to Treat with the Scots Commissioners touching the Affairs of Ireland was read viz. CHARLES by the Grace of God The King's Commission to several Lords and Commons to treat with the Scots Commissioners concerning assistance for Ireland c. To Our right Trusty and right Well-beloved Cousin William Earl of Bedford and to Our right Trusty and right Well-beloved Cousin and Councellor Robert Earl of Leicester Lieutenant General and Governor General of Our Realm of Ireland as also to Our Trusty and right Well-beloved Edward Lord Howard of Escrick and likewise to Our Trusty and right Well-beloved Nathanael Fines Esq Sir William Armyn Baronet Sir Philip Stapleton Knight John Hampden Esq Greeting Know ye That We reposing assured Trust and Confidence in your approved Wisdoms Fidelities and great Abilities have Nominated Constituted and Appointed you to be our Commissioners and by these presents do give full Power and Authority unto you or any Three or more of you whereof the said Earl of Bedford Earl of Leicester or Lord Howard to be one to Treat and Consult with Our Right Trusty and Right Well beloved Cosins William Earl of Lothian and John Earl of Lindsay Our Commissioners of Our Scottish Nation of and concerning Our Irish Affairs for the quieting and suppressing of all Tumults Insurrections and Rebellions moved and raised in Our Realm of Ireland and settling Peace and Tranquillity therein according to such Instructions and Directions as you shall hereafter from time to time receive from Vs in that behalf Wherefore We Will Require and Command you or any three or more of you whereof the said Earl of Bedford Earl of Leicester and Lord Howard to be one forthwith with all diligence to attend the Execution of this Our Commission accordingly And whatsoever you shall do in this behalf according to the Tenor hereof this Our Commission shall be your sufficient Warrant and Discharge for the same Witness Our Self at Westminster the 7th day of December in the 17th Year of Our Reign c. The late Bishop of Lincoln now Archbishop of York Late Bishop of Lincoln now Archbishop of York Reports the Conference concerning the Bishops Impeached Reported the Conference with the Commons Yesterday concerning the Impeached Bishops which because it differs from the Heads Reported for that purpose by Mr. Glyn in the Commons Journal I thought it not amiss to insert His Grace Reported That Mr. Glyn said That the Knights Citizens and Burgesses of the House of Commons having lately received a Message from their Lordships that their Lordships had appointed this day to hear the Plea and Demurrer of the Bishops and that such of the House of Commons might be there as they thought fitting commanded him to deliver unto their Lordships these Particulars That the Canons and Constitutions in Question were voted by both Houses to contain Matters contrary to the King's Prerogative the Laws of the Land the Right of Parliament the Propriety and Liberty of the Subject and many matters tending to Sedition and of dangerous Consequence That thereupon the House of Commons to the intent to bring this Matter to Judgment brought up their Impeachment of the 13 Bishops 4th Augusti last which was read verbatim This was all that was acted 4o. Augusti But least this Impeachment might prove too general they brought up a second Charge or Impeachment 13 Augusti which was read in haec verba Whereas the Knights Citizens c. which to avoid Tautologies the Reader may see before in the Transactions of the 13 August By the bringing of this second Impeachment the House of Commons conceive they had satisfied two main Objections 1. That the Book of Canons and Constitutions was not particularly instanced upon in the first which now they punctually deliver with the Impeachment 2. That they had not before charged any thing in particular but now they did That all and every the said Canons and Constitutions and Grants of Benevolence c. were and are contrary c. as in the Vote And hereupon they desired the 13 Bishops might be put to their Answers and yet for all this Desire of the Commons 13. Augusti they had several times which spent almost a Quarter of a Year given them to answer in Their last and peremptory day was the 10th of November last and then they put in no Answer at all but a certain Writing which they are pleased to call a Plea and Demurrer Vpon notice hereof the House of Commons returned an Answer That whereas they had impeached 13 Bishops whereof one of them had pleaded Not Guilty and the rest had neither confessed nor denyed the Impeachment they desired a prefixed day to descend to Proofs and make good the Charge Soon after they received a Message from their Lordships That their Lordships had appointed this day to hear the Demurrer argued Hence it appears That notwithstanding divers daies are given to the Bishops to answer nothing is brought in but a Plea and Demurrer which was not to be admitted for two several Reasons 1. No Defence ought to be made to an Impeachment brought in by the Commons but in the presence of the Commons and it ought to be
Compositions he hath paid near 100000 l. into the Exchequer and they had no other Priviledges than what was exercised in the Commission and in former like Commissions and as are in the present Commission to the Lord Treasurer and others To the Nineteenth he saith The last Summer was twelve months when the English and Scotch lay in the Fields near Berwick the Earl and Council of Ireland having a general motion thereof were in fear that the Scots in Vlster being almost 100000 in number might be drawn to side with the Covenanters and advising how to secure that Kingdom the Principal of the Nation of Scotland living in Ireland came to Dublin and Petitioned That he might have an Oath whereby they might give Testimony of future Obedience to His Majesty whereupon an Oath was by the Advice of Council of State framed and chearfully taken by those Scotch Gentlemen and generally by all the Nation in Ireland as the Earl conceives to their advantage and the satisfaction of others he believes that some were Sentenced for refusing it but none were otherwise exiled The Earl in his Vote said That he would endeavour that all of that Nation should take that Oath or leave the Kingdom all which was done by His Majesties Direction and Approbation and it was not contrived to the intents in the Article Charged but to prevent their adhering to the Covenanters then in open Arms and not concerning the Ceremony or Government of the Church To the Twentieth he saith That in the Year 1638. the Earl was in Ireland when Preparations were made for War and Summons sent to the Nobility of this Kingdom In the Year 1639. a General was appointed and an Army drawn to the Field and Encamped near Berwick whereby it appears he was not acquainted that the Article of Pacification had been broken on both Sides and so distempered that it was held fit an Army in England should be raised to suppress the Covenanters if the business could not with Honour and Safety be otherwise composed The said Earl humbly advised His Majesty to call a Parliament and used many Motives thereunto after the Parliament was called and before the Sitting thereof ten of the Lords and other of the Council for Forreign Affairs being assembled His Majesty then present an Honourable Person related the Covenanters Demands it was then Voted by all That they were such as might not in Honour and Safety be condescended unto by His Majesty and if they could not be otherwise reduced His Majesty must be constrained to bring them to it by force the like Resolution was after at the Council-Table by twenty of the Council Whereupon His Majesty appointed a Council of War and it was held necessary to borrow 200000 l. upon good Security till the Supplies by the Parliament might come in He never said the Scotch Nation were Rebels but was ever perswaded that many of them are most Loyal Subjects Those that raised Arms when they were at such distance from His Majesty he might say they were no less than Rebels and Traytors by Warrant from the Lord Admiral he caused divers Ships and Goods to be seized but not with an intent to set on the War but as much as in him lay to bring all to fair Accommodation without expence of blood To the 21th he saith The pacification was broken before he came over as in the Answer to the former Article he moved His Majesty for a Parliament in England but not with such intent as in the Article but out of a desire to have settled a right Understanding between the King and His people It may be he said though he remembreth it not that if the Parliament would not Supply His Majesty he would serve His Majesty in any other lawful way being well assured that His Majesty would not imploy him nor any man else in any other kind To the 22th he saith According to His Majesties Instructions he did set forth to the Parliament of Ireland the State of the Affairs as they then stood and they freely gave four Subsidies as an acknowledgment of His Goodness and happy Government as by the Act and Remonstrance appears in Print He by His Majesties Direction then gave Order for the raising of 8000 Men who still remain in the King's pay and were sent into Vlster to secure those Parts or to land in Scotland to divert the Earl of Argile in case he joyned with the Covenanters Army against the King but it was mentioned in the King's Letter 2 Martii 1639. he had purposely given out That they should join with the King's Army at Berwick to colour other Designs but the true cause of their Levying was made known to be as aforesaid unto the Earl of Ormond Sir John Burlace and the Marquiss of Hamilton and Earl of Northumberland at the time of the writing the Letter and he denies the words charged in the Articles or any other words to such intent and purpose To the 23th he saith The matters of the Parliament were no otherwise referred to him than to the rest of the Council that coming sick from Ireland about ten days after the Parliament were set and after the Treaty with the Earl of Dunfermline Lord Lowdon Scotch Commissioners was broken off and the Army preparing and the Parliament not supplying Monies as His Majesty desired His Majesty advised what might move them to prefer His Supply in debate whereof he humbly advised His Majesty by a Message to the House to lay down Ship-Money and promise never to demand it and give way to reverse the Judgment by a Writ of Error in Parliament and to promise a Redress of Grievances when they should be prepared And secondly That they would presently agree upon such Supply as should maintain His Army for reducing the Scots to their Obedience wherein their Safety and His Honour was concerned His Majesty assented conditionally that he might have 12 Subsidies the Earl besought Him that it might not pass as a Condition but to Relinquish Ship-Money and put himself upon their Affections and drew up the Message in Writing and delivered it to Mr. Secretary Vane to deliver to the House of Commons He desired to know if His Majesty would not take less than 12 His Majesty Answered He feared less would not serve His Occasions The Earl of Strafford besought His Majesty to accept of Eight so His Majesty assented and desired Mr. Secretary to signifie so much as occasion should be offered but whether he did so or not the said Earl knoweth not The House of Commons being in debate two days and not Resolving His Majesty about the 5th of May last called a Council at Seven of the Clock in the Morning the said Earl being sick came late and was told as he remembreth by the Earl of Bark-shire the King had declared His Resolution to Dissolve the Parliament the Earl of Strafford besought His Majesty to hear the Advice of His Council and first of those that were Members of the
or he serve him in he took to be lawful wayes and that in all Debates he concluded That the safest and surest Expedient was a Parliament to make both the King and People Happy As to his procuring the Parliament of Ireland to declare their Assistance in a War against the Scots he desired the Remonstrance of the Parliament before the 4. Subsidies might be read which was THat whereas they have with one Consent cleerly given to His Majesty Part of the Remonstrance of Parliament in Ireland about War with the Scots Four entire Subsidies towards His present Preparations to reduce His Disaffected Subjects the Covenanters in Scotland to their due Obedience They still hope that His Majesties great Wisdom and unexampled Clemency may yet prevail with the worse affected of those His Subjects to bring them to that conformity and submission which by the Laws of God and Nature they owe to him But if His Majesty shall be enforced to use His Power to vindicate His just Authority This House for Themselves and the Commons of this Kingdom do profess That their Zeal and Duty shall not stay here at these Four Subsidies but humbly promise That they will be ready with their Persons and Estates to their uttermost ability for His Majesties future Supply in Parliament as His great Occasions by the continuance of His Forces against that distemper shall require This they pray that it may be represented to His Majesty by the Lord Lieutenant and Recorded as an Ordinance of Parliament and published in Print as a Testimony to all the World and succeeding Ages That as this Kingdom hath the happiness to be Governed by the best of Kings so they desire to give cause That he shall account this People among the best of His Subjects If he had procured this Declaration it had been no Crime but he had no part in it but it was their own voluntary free and chearful Action For the Confederacy charged between him and Sir George Radcliff to bring over the Irish Army to destroy England if it be made appear that he had so much as a thought of it he would give Judgment against himself as unworthy to live who would enslave himself and his Posterity That he hath a Heart that loves Freedom as well as another man and values it as highly and in a modest and dutiful way will go as far to defend it it is an Opinion he learnt in the Honourable House of Commons That to stand for Property and Liberty renders a man the best Subject That this Opinion hath gone along with him ever since and he hopes he shall carry it to his Grave That what is deposed by Sir Robert King and Lord Ranulagh as to Sir George Ratcliff cannot affect him since the meanest Subject in the Kingdom cannot commit Treason by Letter of Attorney And it is a priviledg which though he hath the honour to be a Peer he never desires to do it by Proxy and that the Army was never intended to set foot on English Ground Earl of Northumberland he desires my Lord Northumberland 's Examination may witness for him by which it appeared they were designed for the West of Scotland nor did he ever hear of any Design of reducing the Subjects of England by that Army Marquess Hamilton Sir Tho. Lucas Mr. Slingsby The Lord Marquess Hamilton also attested the same Sir Tho. Lucas Serjeant Major General of the King's Horse attested the same Mr. Slingsby who was of the Councel of War affirmed the design was to land them at Ayre in Scotland and that he had order to provide a Magazine Shipping and Flat-Bottom Boats for that Design and that he had a Coast Map drawn of that Place for that purpose Sir William Pennyman also attested Sir William Pennyman That some of the Lords Petitioning the Irish Army might not land in England my Lord Strafford told him He wondred at it for there never was any such intention As to the Testimony of his Brother deposed by Sir Tho. Barrington That England would never be well till it was conquered again he observed That his Brother his Friends his Table his House his Bed every place is searched to convince him of that which he thanked God he was never guilty of That what his Brother sayes is nothing to him and he desired he might be Examined but Mr. Maynard opposed it as tending to clear himself and so he was not heard The discourse between my Lord Bristol and himself he confesses but that what he said was in case of Extream Necessity as Invasion when there is not time to call a Parliament he conceives the King being accountable to God Almighty for Himself and People he may Use his Power And for the other words That the King is not to be Mastered by the frowardness c. he does not remember it but relyes so on the Honour of my Lord Bristol that he affirming it he will not deny it but reserves to himself in this case the Benefit of the Law that it is but a single Testimony He owns what my Lord Newborough deposed and thinks the King is not secluded more then another person from doing the best for himself in a fair and just and honourable way The same he sayes to my Lord of Holland 's Deposition That it is grounded upon Salus Populi Suprema Lex and speaking it as he did with these Limitations doth quite alter the Case besides that these discourses were private and rather argumentative and problematical then positive and to make these Treason were to debar men the joy and comfort of human society But all this while these were but words which by Act of Parliament though much higher are not Treason citing a Clause of 1 Ed. 6. c. 12. Be it Enacted by c. if any Person or Persons do compass and imagine by open Preaching Express words or Saying to depose or deprive the King his Heirs or Successors from his or their Royal Estate or Title or openly publish or say by Express words or saying That any other Person or Persons other then the King his Heirs or Successors of Right ought to be c. yet the first and second offences are not made Treason but only the third That it was the wisdom of their Lordships Noble Ancestors to chain up this Lion by concluding what is Treason and not to suffer him to tear us all in pieces by Arbitrary Treason which would make actions of Treason more common than Actions of Trespass To the words charged in the 23d Article spoken at Council Board or Committee of Scotch affairs of the King 's being absolved from all Rules of Government c. Mr. Treasurer who deposed them hath reversed his Testimony saying first Your Majesty hath an Army in Ireland which you may employ there Afterwards upon being Ordered to repeat his Testimony he said which you may employ in England and whereas he calls in aid of my Lord of Northumberland his Lordship
Afternoon and the House was divided upon it the Lord Digby and Mr. Lloyd tellers for the Years Sir Gilbert Gerrard and Sir Thomas Barrington tellers for the Noes with the Noes were 59 with the Yeas 204. so the Bill passed the House of Commons being thrice read in one Day and Mr. Pym by Order of the House carried it up to the Lords with a special Recommendation to their Lordships to give it all Expedition in regard of the great Importance acquainting them That the Commons would be ready to Justifie the Legality of the Bill But notwithstanding the Tide run with that impetuous Violence against this Noble Lord that to oppose it must hazard drowning and that doubtless Fear carried as many down the stream as Judgment yet so great was the Power of his Innocence and the Force of Truth that even the Lord Digby one who while he thought him Criminal was his severest Accuser yet discerning the unjust practices against the Earl he became his Advocate though all the advantage he got was by generously endeavouring to save the Lord Strafford he lost his own Esteem both in the House of Commons and among the Faction and from that moment became their declared Enemy by being a Bold Friend of Truth and Justice So it happens while men out of too much Popularity court or follow a Faction they kindâ—â— a fire which when they would quench they perish in those Flames which they help'd to blow up However this Speech of the Lord Digby's gives a clear light into the Dark Contrivance which brought this Great Life to an untimely Period and was as followeth Mr. Speaker WE are now upon the point of giving as much as in us lies the Final Sentence unto Death or Life on a great Minister of State and Peer of this Kingdom The Lord Digby's Speech at the passing the Bill of Attainder against the Earl of Strafford Apr. 21. Thomas Earl of Strafford a Name of hatred in the present Age by his practices and fit to be made a Terrour to future Ages by his Punishment I have had the Honour to be Imployed by the House in this great business from the first hour that it was taken into Consideration It was matter of great Trust and I will say with confidence that I have served the House in it both with Industry according to my ability and with most exact Faithfulness and Secrecy And as I have hitherto discharged my Duty to this House and to my Country in the Progress of this Great Cause so I trust I shall do now in the last period of it to God and to a good Conscience I do wish the peace of that unto my self and the blessings of Almighty God to me and my Posterity according as my judgment on the life of this man shall be consonant with my heart and the best of my understanding in all Integrity I know well Mr. Speaker that by some things I have said of late whilst this Bill was in agitation I have raised some prejudices upon me in the Cause Yea some I thank them for their plain dealing have been so free as to tell me that I suffered much by the backwardness I have shewn in this Bill of Attainder of the Earl of Strafford against whom I had been formerly so keen and so active Mr. Speaker I beg of you and the rest but a suspension of Judgment concerning me till I have opened my heart unto you freely and clearly in this business Truly Sir I am still the same in my Opinions and Affections as unto the Earl of Strafford I confidently believe him the most dangerous Minister the most insupportable to free Subjects that can be charactered I believe his Practices in themselves have been as High as Tyrannical as any Subject ever ventured on and the malignity of them are hugely aggravated by those rare abilities of his whereof God hath given him the use but the Devil the application in a word I believe him still that grand Apostate to the Common-wealth who must not expect to be pardoned in this World till he be dispatched to the other And yet let me tell you Mr. Speaker my hand must not be to that dispatch I protest as my Conscience stands informed I had rather it were off Let me unfold unto you the mystery Mr. Speaker I will not dwell much upon justifying unto you my seeming variance at this time from what I was formerly but by putting you in mind of the difference between Prosecutors and Judges How misbecoming that fervour would be in a Judge which perhaps was commendable in a Prosecutor Judges we are now and must put on another Personage It is honest and noble to be earnest in order to the discovery of Truth but when that hath been brought as far as it can to light our judgment thereupon ought to be calm and cautious In prosecution upon probable Grounds we are accountable only for our industry or remisness but in judgment We are deeply responsible to God Almighty for it's Rectitude or Obliquity in cases of Life the Judge is God's Steward of the Partie's blood and must give a strict account for every drop But as I told you Mr. Speaker I will not insist long upon the Ground of Difference in me now from what I was formerly The truth on 't is Sir the same Ground whereupon I with the rest of the Five to whom you first committed the Consideration of my Lord Strafford brought down our Opinion That it was fit he should be Accused of Treason upon the same Ground I was engaged with earnestness in his Prosecution and had the same Ground remained in that force of belief with me which till very lately it did I should not have been tender in his Condemnation But truly Sir to deal plainly with you that Ground of our Accusation That Spur to our Prosecution and that which should be the basis of my judgment of the Earl of Strafford as unto Treason is to my understanding quite vanisht away This it was Mr. Speaker His advising the King to employ the Army of Ireland to reduce England This I was assured would be proved before I gave my consent to his Accusation I was confirmed in the same belief during the Prosecution and fortified in it most of all since Sir Henry Vane 's preparatory Examination by the assurances which that worthy Member Mr. Pym gave me that his Testimony would be made convincing by some Notes of what passed at that Junto concurrent with it which I ever understanding to be of some other Councellor you see now prove but a Copy of the same Secretaries Notes discovered and produc'd in the manner you have heard and those such disjoynted Fragments of the Venomous part of Discourses no Results no Conclusions of Counsels which are the only things that Secretaries should Register there being no use at all of the other but to Accuse and to bring men into danger But Sir this is not that which overthrows
Treasons are commited in Ireland therefore not tryable here Answ My Lords Sir John Parrot his Predecessor 24 Ed. was tryed in the Kings-Bench for Treason done in Ireland when he was Deputy and Oruche in the 33 year of Queen Elizabeth adjudged here for Treason done in Ireland Object But it will be said these Tryals were after the Statute of the 34th year of Henry the 8th which Enacts that Treasons beyond Sea may be tryed in England Answ My Lords his Predecessor my Lord Gray was tryed and adjudged here in the Kings-Bench that was in Trinity-Term in the 33 year of Henry the 8th this was before the making of that Statute Object To this again will we say That it was for Treason by the Laws and Statutes of England that this is not for any thing that 's Treason by the Law of England but an Irish Statute So that the question is only Whether your Lordships here in Parliament have cognizance of an offence made Treason by an Irish Statute in the ordinary way of Judicature without Bill for so is the present question For the clearing of this I shall propound two things to your Lordships consideration Whether the Rule for expounding the Irish Statute and Customs be one and the same in England as in Ireland That being admitted whether the Parliament in England have cognizance or jurisdiction of things there done in respect of the place because the Kings Writ runs not there For the first in respect of the place the Parliament here hath cognizance there And Secondly If the Rules for expounding the Irish Statutes and Customs be the same here as there this exception as I humbly conceive must fall away In England there is the Common Law the Statutes the Acts of Parliament and Customs peculiar to certain places differing from the Common-Law If any question arise concerning either a Custom or an Act of Parliament the Common-Law of England the First the Primitive and the General Law that 's the Rule and Expositor of them and of their several extents it is so here it is so in Ireland the Common-Law of England is the Common-Law of Ireland likewise the same here and there in all the parts of it It was introduced into Ireland by King John and afterwards by King Henry 3. by Act of Parliament held in England as appears by the Patent Rolls of the 30 year of King Henry 3. the first Membrana the Words are Quia pro Communi Vtilitate terrae Hiberniae unitate terrarum Regis Rex vult de Communi Concilio Regis Provisum est quod omnes Leges Consuetudines quae in Regno Angliae tenentur in Hibernia teneantur eadem terra eisdem legibus subjaceat per easdem Regatur sicut Dominus Johannes Rex cum ultimò esset in Hibernia statuit fieri mandavit quia c. Rex vult quòd omnia brevia de Communi Jure quae currunt in Anglia similiter currant in Hibernia sub novo sigillo Regis mundatum est Archiepiscopis c. quod pro pace tranquilitate ejusdem terrae per easdem leges eos regi deduci permittant eas in omnibus sequantur in cujus c. Teste Rege apud Woodstock Decimo nono die Septembris Here is an union of both Kingdoms and that by Act of Parliament and the same Laws to be used here as there in omnibus My Lords That nothing might be left here for an exception that is That in Treasons Felonies and other capital offences concerning Life the Irish Laws are not the same as here therefore it is enacted by a Parliament held in England in the 14th year of Edw. 2. it is not in print neither but in the Parliament Book that the Laws concerning Life and Member shall be the same in Ireland as in England And that no exception might yet remain in a Parliament held in England The 5th year of Edw. 3. it is Enacted Quod una eadem Lex fiat tam Hibernicis quam Anglicis This Act is enrolled in the Patent Rolls of the 5th year of Edw. 3. Parl. membr 25. The Irish therefore receiving their Laws from hence they send their Students at Law to the Inns of Courts in England where they receive their Degree and of them and of the Common Lawyers of this Kingdom are the Judges made The Petitions have been many from Ireland to send from hence some Judges more learned in the Laws than those they had there It hath been frequent in cases of difficulty there to send sometimes to the Parliament sometimes to the King by advice from the Judges here to send them resolutions of their doubts Amongst many I 'll cite your Lordships only one because it is in a case of Treason upon an Irish Statute and therefore full to this point By a Statute there made the fifth year of Edw. 4. there is a provision made for such us upon suggestions are committed to prison for Treason that the party committed if he can procure 24 Compurgators shall be bailed and let out of prison Two Citizens of Dublin were by a Grand-Jury presented to have committed Treason they desired benefit of this Statute that they might be let out of prison upon tender of their Compurgators The words of the Statute of the 5th year of Edward 4th in Ireland being obscure the Judges there being not satisfied what to do sent the case over to the Queen desired the opinion of the Judges here which was done accordingly The Judges here sent over their opinion which I have out of the Book of Justice Anderson one of the Judges consulted withal The Judges delivered their opinion upon an Irish Statute in Case of Treason If it be objected That in this Case the Judges here did not judge upon the party their opinions were only ad informandam Conscientiam of the Judges in Ireland that the Judgment belonged to the Judges there My Lords with submission this and the other Authorities prove that for which they were cited that is that no absurdity no failure of Justice would ensue if this great Judicatory should judge of Treason so made by an Irish Statute The Common-Law rules of Judging upon an Irish Statute the Pleas of the Crown for things of Life and Death are the same here and there this is all that yet hath been offered For the Second point That England hath no power of Judicature for things done in Ireland My Lords the constant practice of all ages proves the contrary Writs of Error in Pleas of the Crown as well as in Civil Causes have in all Kings Reigns been brought here even in the inferior Courts of Westminster-Hall upon Judgment given in the Courts of Ireland the practice is so frequent and so well known as that I shall cite none of them to your Lordships no president will I believe be produced to your Lordships that ever the Case was remanded back again into Ireland because the question arose upon an
particular Trespasses upon the Law By Impositions and Taxes upon the Merchant in Trade by Burdens and Pressures upon the Gentry in Knighthood before they could Arrive at that Universal destruction of the Kingdom by Ship-mony which promised Reward and Security for all their former Services by doing the work of a Parliament to His Majesty in Supplies and seemed to delude justice in leaving none to judge them by making the whole Kingdom party to their oppression My Lords of this Crime these Three Judges seem to be at least equally guilty for however one of them my Lord Chief Baron is not charged with that Judgment in the Exchequer-Chamber against Mr. Hampden and how he fail'd in making his Conclusion from his own Premisses he only can inform you Your Lordships see how quickly he repented that that mischief was done without him there by his overtaking his Brethren in his Circuit and as he said of the vilest kind of flatterers Crudelissimo servitutis genere quod intra se abominabantur palam laudabant He made all possible haste to redeem himself from that imputation of Justice and declared publickly in the face of the Country that it was adjudged by all the Judges of England that Ship-mony was due to the King though I believe he will be now glad to be thought none of those Judges And what others did he well knew and thereupon Imprisoned a poor man for doing that which if Ship-mony had been due to his Majesty by Magna Charta had been lawful for him to have done Of the resolutions and judgment it self I am not to speak your Lordships have passed your noble judgment My Lords the first Charge in order is that presumptuous Decree against Mr. Rolls and others And in truth whatsoever gloss they put upon it is no other than a plain grant of the Subsidy of Tonnage and Poundage to His Majesty upon all Merchandise after their Goods seised for non-payment of that pretended duty the Proprietors brought Replevins which is the natural and genuine remedy appointed by Law in case of Property and grounded upon Property the Court Awards an Injunction to stay these Replevins the Goods were in the King's possession and no Replevin would lye against the King Truly my Lords the injustice here is not so scandalous as the fraud we all know a Replevin as no other suit lyes against the King if the Goods be in his own hands in his Bed-Chamber But to call a seifure by the Farmers of whose interest this Court will not deny the notice and if his Majesty had any right they well knew he had transferred it to these men or the Ware-houses of the Customers the King's possession to defeat the Subject of his proper remedy was the boldest piece of Sophistry we have met with in a Court of Law Pardon me if I am transported The Civilians say Tutor Domini loco habetur cum rem administrat non cum pupillum spoliat The Office of Judges is to preserve and give remedy for right here they found a right a known and unquestionable right yet instead of assisting took away the remedy to preserve that right What shall we call these Judges My Lords in this Argument I am not willing to say much 't is enough that your Lordships know Tonnage and Poundage is not a duty to the Crown but a Subsidy and so granted in subsidium sometimes pro una vice tantum sometimes for years and then ceased when the time did expire that when it was first granted for Life it was with this Clause Ita quod non trahatur in exemplum futuris Regibus But 't is abundantly enough that his Sacred Majesty cannot be tainted with the advices and judgments of these Men but looks on this duty singly as the meer Affection and Bounty of his Subjects the which no doubt he shall never want My Lords The next Charge is concerning Impositions Mr. Vassal's Goods are seised for not paying Impost which he conceived to be against Law he is Imprisoned and Judgment given against him without suffering him to be heard upon the point of Right because that had been heretofore judged in Bates's Case And yet these very Judges have not thought themselves so bound up by former judgments but that since this time they have argued a Case upon the same point which was adjudged in Hillary Term in the 15 Elizabeth and confirmed after by all the Judges of England in a Writ of Error in the 21 year of that Queen's Reign 't is Walsingham's Case however the same modesty seised them again in the Case of a Noble Lord not now present Whether the King without assent of Parliament may set Impositions upon the Wares and Goods of Merchants is no question it hath been more then once debated in Parliament and indeed whilst it was a question was fittest for a Parliament I will not trouble your Lordships long 't is now resolved and nothing new can be said in this Argument though I may have leave to say if the King can by his Letters Patents create such a right to himself and by a Legal Course recover that right under such a Title such Letters-Patents are in no degree inferiour to an Act of Parliament To reconcile such a power in the Prince and the property of a Subject that the one must not be destructive to the other will require a much greater a subtler understanding then I pretend to But my Lords I do not think the judgment in this point to be so great a Crime in these Judges as that they presumed to judge at all the matter had been long debated in Parliament undetermined and therefore not within the Conusance of an inferiour Court had it not been true that Fortescue says in his 36 Chapter of the Laws of England Neque Rex per se aut Ministros suos tallagia subsidia aut quaevis onera alia imponit c. sine concessione vel assensu totius Regni sui in Parliamento suo expresso c. If the Statute de Tallagio non concedendo If the 30 Chap. of Magna Charta and all the other Statutes to that purpose be not clear in the point they might easily have apprehended so much weight so much difficulty in the question especially since in all our Law-Books not so much as the word Imposition is found untill the Case in my Lord Dyer of 1 Eliz. fol. 163. that they might very well have suspected themselves to be no competent Judges for that determination and I hope by the experience of this Parliament the Judges will recover that Ancient modesty to believe that some Cases may fall out that may not be properly within their Jurisdiction in the Ninth year of Edward the second 't is in the Parliament Rolls It being found by an Office after the death of Gilbert de Clare Earl of Gloucester that his Sisters were his Heirs nisi Comitissa Glocestriae esset pregnans the question was Whether the King might grant
Estates which may come Judicially before them 15. To the Fifteenth they say That they conceive that where Priviledges are claimed by any Body Politic or other the King's Council may exhibit a Quo Warranto to cause the Parties claiming such Priviledges to set forth and shew by what Warrant they claim the same and that the Court cannot hinder the issuing of Process at the Instance of the King's Attorney to exhibit such Information But when the Case shall upon the Proceedings be brought to Judgment then and not before the Court is to take notice and give Judgment upon the Merit and Circumstances of the Cause as upon due consideration shall be conceived to be according to Law in which Case the Judges nor the King's Attorney as they conceive ought to be punished by any ordinary Rule of Law or Statute that they know But for this particular Question of Quo Warranto for that it hath been a great Question in this present Parliament and concerns the highest Court of Justice in this Kingdom and also concerns two other of His Majesties Courts of Justice and therein His Majesties Prerogative in those Courts they cannot safely deliver any Opinion therein before it comes Judicially before them and that they hear it argued and debated by Learned Councel on both sides 16. To the Sixteenth they say That although the Jurors be the sole Judges of the matter of Fact yet the Judges of the Court are Judges of the Validity of the Evidence and of the matters of Law arising out of the same wherein the Jury ought to be guided by them And if the Jury in any Criminal Cause between the King and Party give their Verdict contrary to clear and apparent Evidence delivered in Court they have been constantly and still ought to be Censured in the Star-Chamber in England and Castle-Chamber here for this misdemeanour in perverting the right Course of Justice in such Fines and other punishment as the Merits and Circumstances of the Cause doth deserve according to the Course of the said Courts For that their Consciences ought to be directed by the Evidence and not be misguided by their Wills and Affections and if the Jury know any matter of Fact which may either better or blemish their Evidence they may take advantage thereof but they ought to discover the same to the Judges And they say That this proceeding in the Court of Castle-Chamber is out of the same ground that Writs of Attaint are against a Jury that gives a false Verdict in a Court of Record at the Common Law betwixt Party and Party which false Verdict being found by a Jury of 24 notwithstanding that the first Jurors were Judges of the Fact yet that infamous Judgment was pronounced against the first Jury which is next or rather worse then Judgment of Death and lay a perpetual brand of Perjury upon them for which reason it was Antiently called the Villainous Judgment And they say That the Law to direct the punishment for such Offence is the course of the said Court which is a Law as to that purpose and the Statute of 3 H. 7. cap. 1 2. and other Statutes of Force in this Kingdom 17. To the Seventeenth they say They can answer no otherwise then they have in their Answer to the next precedent Question 18. To the Eighteenth they say That in a Legal Construction the Statute of Magna Charta in which the words of Salvo Contenemento are mentioned is only to be understood of Amerciaments and not of Fines Yet where great Fines are imposed in Terrorem upon the reducement of them regard is to be had to the Ability of the Persons 19. To the Nineteenth they say That if one doth steal a Sheep or commit other Felony and after flyeth the Course of Justice or lyeth in Woods or Mountains upon his Keeping Yet he doth not thereby become a Traytor neither doth a Proclamation make him so the Chief use whereof in such a case is to invite the Party so standing out to submit himself to Justice or to forewarn others of the danger they may run into by Keeping him Company or giving him Maintenance or Relief whereby he may the Rather submit to Justice 20. To the Twentieth they say That the Testimony or Evidence of Rebels or Traytors under Protection or Thieves or other Infamous persons is not to be used or pressed as Convincing Evidence upon the Tryal of any man for his Life And so is his Majesties printed Instructions as to persons Condemned or under Protection yet the Testimony of such persons not condemned may be given in Evidence at the Tryal and being fortified with other Concurring Proof or Apparent Circumstances may be pressed upon any Tryal and for discovering their Fellows or Abettors or Relievers as the Circumstances may offer themselves in their Examination especially if before they Confess themselves guilty of the Offence in Imitation of the Approver at the Common Law whereof no Certain Rule may be given And it needs not be made a Question here Whether the Jurors or Judges ought to be Judges of the matter of Fact It being positively laid down in the 16th Question that they are and tho their false Verdict doth convince or not convince the Prisoner yet they may be questioned and punish'd for a false Verdict as in their Answer to the 16th is already declared 21. To the Twenty first they say That that Question is now judicially depending and hath been already solemnly argued in his Majesties Court of Wards in which Court their Assistance for declaration of the Law therein is already required And therefore they humbly desire they may not be compelled to give any Opinion touching that Point until it be resolved there 22. To the Two and twentieth they say That they do conceive there is no matter of Law contained in the said Question yet for further satisfaction of your Lordships they say That upon View of an Act of State bearing date at his Majesties Castle of Dublin the 24th of December 1636. grounded upon his Majesties Letters of the 5th of July last past it appears unto them that Four shillings in the pound as of his Majesties free Gift and Reward out of the first payment of the Increase of Rent reserved to his Majesty was allow'd unto the Judges that were Commissioners and attended that Service And they humbly conceive That the receiving of that Four shillings in the pound of his Majesties Bounty stands well with the Integrity of a Judge And those Judges did inform them That they did not avoid any Letters Patents upon those Commissions of Defective Titles but receive such to Compound as submitted for the strengthening of their defective Patents and Titles And such as would stand upon the Validity of their Grants were left to the Tryal of Law And that the Compositions made after the said Grants of 4 s. in the pound were made according to Rules and Rates agreed upon by all the Commissioners before his
Declaration against the House of Commons was published in His Majesties Name which yet wrought little Effect with the People but only to manifest the Impudence of those who were Authors of it A forced Loan of Money was attempted in the City of London The Lord Mayor and Aldermen in their several Wards injoyned to bring in a List of the Names of such Persons as they judged fit to lend and of the Sum they should lend And such Aldermen as refused so to do were committed to Prison The Archbishop and the other Bishops and Clergy continued the Convocation and by a new Commission turned it to a Provincial Synod in which by an unheard-of presumption they made Canons that contain in them many Matters contrary to the King's Prerogative to the Fundamental Laws and Statutes of the Realm to the Right of Parliaments to the Property and Liberty of the Subject and Matters tending to Sedition and of dangerous Consequence thereby establishing their own Usurpations justifying their Alter-Worship and those other Superstitious Innovations which they formerly introduced without Warrant of Law They Imposed a new Oath upon divers of his Majesties Subjects both Ecclesiastical and Lay for maintenance of their own Tyranny and laid a great Tax upon the Clergy for Supply of his Majesty and generally they shewed themselves very Affectionate to the War with Scotland which was by some of them styled Bellum Episcopale and a Prayer Composed and Injoyned to be read in all Churches calling the Scots Rebels to put the two Nations into Blood and make them irreconcileable All those pretended Canons and Constitutions were armed with the several Censures of Suspension Excommunication Deprivation by which they would have thrust out all the good Ministers and most of the Well-Affected People of the Kingdom and left an easie Passage to their own Design of Reconciliation with Rome The Popish Party injoyned such Exemptions from the Penal Laws as amounted to a Toleration besides many other Encouragements and Court Favours They had a Secretary of State Sir Francis Windibank a powerful Agent for the speeding of all their desires a Popes Nuntio residing here to Act and Govern them according to such Influences as he received from Rome and to intercede for them with the most powerful Concurrence of the Forreign Princes of that Religion By his Authority the Papists of all sorts Nobility Gentry and Clergy were convocated after the manner of a Parliament new Jurisdictions were erected of Romish Archbishops Taxes levied another State moulded within this State independant in Government contrary in Interest and Affection secretly corrupting the ignorant or negligent Professors of our Religion and closely uniting and combining themselves against such as were Sound in this Posture waiting for an Opportunity by force to destroy those whom they could not hope to seduce For the effecting whereof they were strengthened with Arms and Munition encouraged by superstitious Prayers enjoyned by the Nuncio to be weekly made for the prosperity of some great Design And such Power had they at Court that secretly a Commission was issued out intended to be issued to some great Men of that Profession for the levying of Soldiers and to Command and Imploy them according to private Instructions which we doubt were framed for the advantage of those who were the Contrivers of them His Majesties Treasure was consumed his Revenue anticipated His Servants and Officers compelled to lend great Sums of Money Multitudes were called to the Councel Table who were retired with long attendances there for refusing illegal Payments The Prisons were filled with their Commitments many of the Sheriffs summoned into the Star-Chamber and some imprisoned for not being quick enough in levying the Ship-Money the People languished under Grief and Fear no visible hope being left but in desperation The Nobility began to be weary of their Silence and Patience and sensible of the duty and trust which belongs to them and thereupon some of the most eminent of them did Petition his Majesty at such a time when evil Councels were so strong that they had reason to expect more hazard to themselves then redress of those publick Evils for which they interceded whilest the Kingdom was in this agitation and distemper the Scots restrained in their Trades Impoverished by the loss of many of their Ships bereaved of all possibility of satisfying his Majesty by any naked Supplication entred with a powerful Army into the Kingdom and without any Hostile Act or Spoil in the Country as they passed more than forcing a Passage over the Tyne at Newborne near New-Castle possessed themselves of New-Castle and had a fair opportunity to press on further upon the King's Army but Duty and Reverence to his Majesty and brotherly love to the English Nation made them stay there whereby the King had leisure to entertain better Counsels wherein God so blessed and directed him that he summoned the great Council of Peers to meet at York upon the twenty fourth of September and there declared a Parliament to begin the Third of November then following The Scots the first day of the great Council presented an humble Petition to His Majesty whereupon the Treaty was appointed at Rippon A present Cessation of Arms agreed upon and the full Conclusion of all Differences referred to the Wisdom and Care of the Parliament At our first Meeting all Oppositions seemed to vanish the Mischiefs were so evident which those Evil Counsellors produced that no Man durst stand up to defend them Yet the Work it self afforded difficulty enough The multiplied Evils and Corruption of sixteen years strengthened by Custom and Authority and the concurrent Interest of many powerful Delinquents were now to be brought to Judgment and Reformation The King's Houshold was to be provided for they had brought him to that Want that he could not supply his ordinary and necessary Expences without the Assistance of his People Two Armies were to be payed which amounted very near to eighty thousand Pounds a Month the People were to be tenderly charged having bin formerly exhausted with many burthensome Projects The difficulties seemed to be insuperable which by the Divine Providence we have overcome The Contrarieties incompatible which yet in a great measure we have reconciled Six Subsidies have been granted and a Bill of Poll-Money which if it be duly levyed may equal six Subsidies more in all six hundred thousand pounds Besides we have contracted a Debt to the Scots of 220 thousand pounds and yet God hath so blessed the endeavours of this Parliament that the Kingdom is a great gainer by all these charges The Ship-Money is abolished which cost the Kingdom above two hundred thousand pounds a year The Coat and Conduct Money and other Military charges are taken away which in many Countries amounted to little less then the Ship-Money The Monopolies are all supprest whereof some few did prejudice the Subject above a Million yearly The Soap an hundred thousand pounds the Wine three hundred thousand pounds
Consideration of the House by which means I may hope of some satisfaction but this is totally left to your Honor's Consideration as opportunity offers and your Honor thinks fit in your own Judgment Thus humbly Craving pardon for this great Presumption I can safely say no man lives that is more Your Honors most humble Servant William Lenthall The Lord Keeper being indisposed Saturday Decemb. 1. craved leave of the House to retire for some time for the Recovery of his health which being granted this day the Lord Chief Justice of the Common-Pleas by the Command of the House sate as Speaker the Lord Privy Seal having performed the Office for some part of the day preceding And little of moment passed this day more then that the Lord Chamberlain was appointed to move his Majesty to Command the Sheriffs of the several Counties through which the Arms and Munition were to pass to Chester to take Care of the Safe Guarding of them In the Commons House Mr. Chillingworth sent to the Tower for words spoken in the House Chillingworth a Member was sent to the Tower for speaking some words which gave offence to the House by declaring his judgment in offering at his Instances concerning deposing of Princes It was too early day yet to broach these Doctrines and the Gentleman was to be made an Example for this rash Intemperance of his Tongue and certainly the Faction could not if it had been a forelaid occasion have done themselves a more Serviceable and Popular kindness for this was to let the whole Nation know that they had such a tenderness of Loyalty and Duty for the King that their chast Ears could not indure the ingrateful sound of Deposing Kings though in Instances of the remotest distance and then the natural Consequence of this must be That they who had such aversions and abhorrency to Treasonous Positions and Presidents at such a Distance could have no evil Intentions against their King though they asked of him to divest himself of the Power of the Sword and other Royal Prerogatives and in effect all that made him an Actual or more then a Titular King Mr. Daniel O Neal was this day again Examined concerning the Plot of bringing up the Army against the Parliament The consideration of the Tumults was this day also put off again Little was done this day in the House of Lords Monday Decemb. 6. more then reading of the Bill for Captives taken by Turkish Pyrats and the Bill for Raising Men for the defence of England and Ireland which received many alterations and amendments which were to be delivered to the Commons at a Conference In the Commons House Mr. Glyn Reported from the Committee the Reasons to be offered to the Lords for admitting this House to bring their proof against the 13 Bishops formerly Impeached That the Committee conceive this Course to be most fit to be held in the management of this Conference The Reasons of the Commons to come to a hearing against the Bishops notwithstanding their Demurrer to make a Narration of the Proceedings since the first Impeachment and of the Votes of both Houses concerning the Canons First That it is Voted by both Houses That the Canons c. made by the late Convocation do contain in them matters contrary to the King's Prerogative to the Fundamental Laws of the Land against the Liberty of the Subject the Property of their Estate and tending to Sedition and of dangerous Consequence That these Canons being thus Voted by both Houses of Parliament and to bring the Principal of the Persons in the making of those Canons to Judgment according to their demerit The House of Commons did the 4th of August last by word of Mouth Impeach at the Bar of the House of Lords these 13 Bishops by name and then desired That they might be put to Answer in the presence of the Commons That because some Objections were made That that Impeachment was too general the House of Commons did the 13th of the same Month Impeach the said Bishops at the Bar of the Lords House and this Impeachment to be read at the Conference which did declare That All and every the said Canons c. were and are contrary to the King's Prerogative and the Fundamental Laws of the Land c. And were so contrived made and promulged by them c. And that therefore they might be put to Answer in the presence of the Commons That in both these Charges the Commons did desire that the 13 Bishops might be put to Answer in the presence of the Commons That afterwards the Bishops had several days given them to Answer and at last the 10th of November last was appointed peremptorily unto them to Answer That when the 10th of November came these Bishops put in a Writing which they call A Plea and Demurrer which Writing the Lords sent down to the House of Commons upon notice of which Writing which they term A Plea and Demurrer wherein they neither confess nor deny the Fact this House did desire the Lords to appoint a Day when they might come and make good their Charge against them That the Lords sent a Message to this House that they had Ordered to Morrow to hear the Council of the Bishops upon their Plea and Demurrer and that such Members of this House as the House shall think fitting may be there present This for the matter of the Narration That upon this the Committee have drawn these Conclusions That it appeareth by the Message from the Lords they were Impeached 4to Augusti and that divers days were given them to Answer and peremptorily the 10th of November 1641. That they made no Answer but put in a Plea and Demurrer as they call it And that therefore their Demurrer ought not to be admitted because their Defence ought not to be made to the Impeachment of the House of Commons but in their presence and that the Commons ought to be thereunto called And that in all Courts of Justice it is so that the Party concerned ought to be called to all Answers Pleas and Demurrers for otherwise mistakes might arise which by being present might be rectified as in this Case for if the Commons had been present when the Bishops made their Answer there would not have been that mistake for that upon search it appears in the Lords Book that the second Impeachment whereby all Arguments of incertainty were taken away and which supplied any defects in the first as in this particular All and Every the said Canons were so Expressed in the second Charge and yet not so entred in the Lords Book of Journals which would have been rectified if the Commons had been present at their Answer So in regard of this inconveniency the Commons ought to have been admitted to be there present Next that the Charge consisting of meer matter of Fact not done above a year before they ought to be called to Answer to the matter of Fact and
Yea 170. Mr. Arthur Goodwinn Tellers for the Yea 170. Whereupon It was Resolved c. That a Committee shall be named by this House to fit at Guild-Hall and all that shall come to have Voices at this Committee That this Committee shall have Power to direct and appoint such Monies to be paid as shall be necessary for the Troops at Chester That the Committee for Munster shall have power to sit when they will and to put in Execution all such Propositions as are already agreed upon by both Houses of Parliament Then this following Paper drawn by the forementioned Committee was read and afterwards Voted A Paper concerning his Majesties coming to the House of Commons in vindication of Privileges their adjournment to Guill-Hall London Whereas his Majesty in his Royal Person Yesterday being the 4th of Jan. 1641. did come to the House of Commons with a great multitude of Men Armed in a War-like Manner with Halberds Swords and Pistols who came up to the very Door of this House and placed themselves there and in other Places and Passages near to the House to the great Terror and Disturbance of the Members then thereof sitting and according to their Duty in a peaceable and orderly Manner treating of the great Affairs of both Kingdoms of England and Ireland and his Majesty having placed himself in the Speaker's Chair did demand the Persons of divers Members of that House to be delivered unto him It is this Day declared by the House of Commons That the same is a high Breach of the Rights and Priviledges of Parliament and inconsistent with the Liberty and Freedom thereof And therefore the House doth conceive they cannot with Safety of their own Persons or the Indemnities of the Rights and Priviledges of Parliament sit here any longer without a full Vindication of so high a Breach of Priviledge and a sufficient Guard wherein they may confide for which both Houses joyntly and this House by it self have been humble Suitors to his Majesty and cannot as yet obtain Notwithstanding which this House being very sensible of the great Trust reposed in them Especially at this time of the manifold * Which they had occasioned Distractions of this Kingdom and the lamentable and distressed Condition of the Kingdom of Ireland doth Order That the House shall be adjourned until Tuesday next at One of the Clock in the Afternoon and that a Committee to be named by this House and all that will come to have Voices shall sit at Guild-Hall in the City of London to morrow Morning at 9 of the Clock and shall have Power to consider and resolve of all things that may concern the Good and Safety of the City and Kingdom and particularly how our Priviledges may be vindicated and our Persons secured and to consider of the Affairs and Relief of Ireland and shall have Power to advise and consult with any Person or Persons touching the Premisses and shall have Power to send for Parties Papers and Records And it is further Ordered That the Committee for Irish Affairs shall meet at the Guild-Hall aforesaid at what time they shall think fit and consult and do touching the Affairs of Ireland according to the Power formerly given them by this House And that both of the said Committees shall report the Results of their Considerations and Resolutions to the House Then it was resolved upon the Question That it shall be thus Ordered The Committee appointed to sit at Guild-Hall Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer Mr. Glyn Mr. Whitlock L. Falkland Sir Philip Stapleton Mr. Fiennes Sir Ralph Hopton Sir John Hotham Sir Walter Earl Sir Robert Cooke Sir Thomas Waslingham Sir Samuel Rolls Mr. Pierrpoint Mr. Walther Long Sir Richard Cave Sir Edward Hungerford Mr. Grimston Sir Christopher Wray Sir Benjamin Rudiard Sir John Hippesley Mr. Herbert Price Sir John Wray Sir Thomas Barrington Mr. Wheeler Sir William Litton And this Committee are appointed by the former Order and are to pursue the Directions of the former Order and all that will come are to have Voices at this Committee These Resolutions following Orders concerning Ireland to exhaust the King's Stores being the Sum of what was agreed upon by the Committee of both Houses for Irish Affairs were this Day presented to the House and read and by Vote upon the Question ordered accordingly That the Arms and Ammunition of all Sorts with the Ordnance at Carlisle be sent into Ireland to Carrickfergus for Supply of those Parts of the North of Ireland and the Arms to be Ordered as my Lord Lieutenant shall direct That for a further Supply of those Parts and for the Arming of those two Regiments under the Lord Conway and Sir John Clotworthy that there be sent from the Tower 1000 Muskets with Bullet and Match proportionable 1500 Swords 10 Last of Powder these Arms and Ammunition to be sent thither and ordered and disposed of as the Lord Lieutenant thinks fit That 10 Last of Powder with Bullets and Match proportionable be sent from the Tower to Munster to be delivered to the Lord President of Munster or whom the Lord Lieutenant thinks fit That 2000 l. be Ordered to be delivered to Sir William Brereton upon Account for Payment of the 300 Horse now at Chester and for their transportation out of the Subsidies or Poll-Money That 3000 l. be assigned to be received in Cheshire or Wales out of the Subsidy or Poll-Money by the Victualler for the present Relief of Dublin and Drogheda That 2000 l. be delivered to the Victualler of Carrickfergus who is ready to set on the Work here having a Ship at his Charges in the River The Commons had as a Committee sate at Guild-Hall in the Morning where it seems there were great Debates concerning the Breach of Priviledges upon which Subject I find in the Prints of those times some Speeches enumerating some of the Priviledges of Parliament at least then reputed so which whether they remain so still I leave to the decision of those who are concerned The Speeches were as follows Mr. Speaker THere are no Courts of Judicature in this Kingdom of England Mr. Grimston's Speech at the Committee sitting at Guild-Hall Jan. 5. concerning Breach of Priviledges c. but they have several Rights and Priviledges appertaining and belonging unto them and have such Power and Authority in the several Jurisdictions of the same Offices that they may call to an account prosecute and bring to Judgment the Infringers and Breakers of the same Of all these Courts there is none yea put them all together they are not of such Power and Jurisdiction but inferior and subject to the Ordinances and Statutes of the High Court of Parliament Mr. Speaker of such awful predominancy is the very Name of a Parliament to this Nation that it strikes with Terror and Despair all such Evil Doers as are Male-factors in the State On the contrary side it cherishes and comforts the drooping spirits of men
groaning under the Burden of Tyrannical Oppression inflicted on them unjustly and maliciously by Unmerciful and Wicked Men that have Usurped unto themselves Places and Offices of Power and Authority both in Church and State Mr. Speaker This Great and high court is not only the Powerfullest of all other Courts whatsoever but the Prudentest and Wisest made and compacted not only of Men sound in Religion well Learned but Ripe in their Judgments contracted from all Parts of this Kingdom Elected Chosen with the free consent of the whole body Politique of the Kingdom this great and high Council is not only of such Power and Wisdom but indued and attended with the most and greatest Priviledges thereof that not only the meanest of his Majesties Subjects but the greatest Personages of the Kingdom are in danger if infringers of the same to be called in Question and by them punished therefore give me leave Mr. Speaker to speak somewhat of the Priviledges in this particular incident and appertaining to this Wise Senate and in speaking thereof I shall observe these three particulars 1. The Rights and Priviledges belonging to the same in the free Votes and Judicature thereof 2. The Rights and Priviledges belonging to the Power and Jurisdiction thereof 3. The Rights and Priviledges in the Continuances thereof being freely called and assembled by his Majesties Authority not to be dissolved or broken off till all things agitated therein for the good both of Church and Common-Wealth be fully concluded and determined First Mr. Speaker concerning the Priviledges of a Parliament belonging to the free Votes and Judicature thereof I shall observe these three particulars First To speak freely without Interruption or Contradiction in any Debate Dispute or Argument upon any business agitated in the same being a Member thereof I conceive to be one Priviledge of a Parliament Secondly Not to be questioned or any such free Dispute Argument or Debate to be taxed or accused for the same either during the free sitting thereof or after is another Priviledge of Parliament Thirdly Freely to give Vote Judgment or Sentence upon the Reading of any Bill to be made a Law or any Bill either of attainder or other Charge against Delinquents and Criminous Persons against the State at their Tryal upon the same is a third Priviledge of Parliament Fourthly To defend and Maintain the Free Vote Judgments and Sentences of the whole House by Protestation Remonstrance or other Declaration if not consented unto or opposed by the House of Lords is a Fourth Priviledge Fifthly For any Member of the House not to be accused of any Crime or Impeached for Treason by any Person whatsoever during the continuance of the Parliament for things done in the same without Legal Accusation and Prosecution of any such Member by the whole House is another Priviledge of Parliament Sixthly Not to be apprehended upon such Impeachment or arrested by any Officer or to have studies broken open their Books and Writings seized upon without consent or Warrant of the whole Parliament is another Priviledge of the same and thus much Mr. Speaker shall suffice to be spoken concerning the Priviledges and Rights of Parliament pertinent to the Subjects of which I am to speak I come now to the Second thing I proposed to your Audience which was the Rights and Priviledges belonging to the Power and Jurisdiction of the Parliament in which I shall observe these particulars First to consult and consider of what Laws are fit to be made and Enacted in this Kingdom for the good Government thereof is one Priviledge belonging to the Power and Jurisdiction of this High Court. Secondly to Justifie or abrogate repeal make Void to ratifie and Confirm Establish and Maintain Laws Statutes and Ordinances made and Enacted by precedent Parliaments by Councils of State or other Courts of Judicature is a second Priviledge pertaining to the Power and Jurisdiction of the Parliament Thirdly To give Subsidies to raise Taxes to impose Loans and other charges upon the Subject is another Priviledge belonging to the Power Jurisdiction of the Parliament Fourthly to Accuse or Impeach any Incendiaries or Delinquents in this Kingdom of any Crime notorious tending to the prejudice of his Majestie or any of his Loyal Subjects whether it be for Treason or other wayes be they Members of the Parliament or no is another Priviledge belonging to the Power and Jurisdiction of the Parliament Fifthly and lastly To prosecute and bring to Judgment such Persons so Accused or Impeached for any Crime whatsoever is another Priviledge belonging to the Power and Jurisdiction of this Court. And thus much of the Rights and Priviledges belonging to the Power and Jurisdiction of a Parliament And now Mr. Speaker I come to the last thing I Mentioned to you concerning the Priviledges belonging to the Continuance and Free sitting till all things be concluded of for the Good Government of Church and State in which I shall also observe these particulars First that for a Parliament when Freely called and Assembled by Royal Authority not to be to debate or argue any one particular business appointed by any person whatsoever is one Priviledge belonging to the Continuance of a Parliament Secondly Not to break off or dissolve a free Parliament until all the Grievances and oppression of all his Majesties Loyal Subjects be fully redressed and Remedied is a Second Priviledge belonging to the continuance of Parliament Thirdly Not to break off or dissolve a Parliament till all Incendiaries and Delinquents in the State be brought to condigne punishment for their Crimes Fourthly and lastly To Accuse or Impeach any Member of the Parliament thereby to hinder and interrupt the Legal Proceedings thereof in the Weighty Affairs of the Common-Wealth is another Priviledge belonging to the Continuance of a Parliament And thus having briefly declared to you the Power and Jurisdiction of a Parliament above all other Courts of Judicature in this Land the Wisdom and Policy of a Parliament above all other Councils the Rights and Priviledges of a Parliament in respect of the free Votes and Judicature thereof the Power and Jurisdiction thereof and the free continuance thereof I humbly leave to the Consideration of this House whether the accusation of these Gentlemen accused by his Majesty and the illegall breaking open upon this their Accusation of thir Chambers Truncks and studies be not a breach of some of the Priviledges of Parliament which I have Mentioned unto you I have nothing to say against the Real Priviledges of the High Court of Parliament but certainly that of a Parliaments sitting till all pretended Grievances are Redressed which is tantamount to sitting perpetually since there will be alwayes such Pretences is so far from being a Real Privilege of Parliament that among all the Rolls and Records of our Parliaments there cannot be found one single Instance of any Parliament that pretended or laid Claim to such a Privilege And there cannot be a more demonstrative Agreement against this
then the very Act which this Parliament obtained from the King that they should not be dissolved or prorogued by the King without their own Consent which was a plain Confession that till his Majesty had in this Particular by giving the Royal Assent to that fatal Bill limited the undoubted Power of his Prerogative it was an inherent Right annexed to the Imperial Crown of this Realm that the King was the sole Judg of the Calling Continuance and Dissolution of Parliaments And though some Seditious Pens and particularly the Apostate Author of the Life of Julian the Apostate have taken great Pains to revive and furbish up this Opinion and to reflect upon his present Majesty as the Rebels of this Parliament did upon his Royal Father for breaking up of some Mutinous and Troublesome Parliaments in the beginning of his Reign which plainly shews them to be of the Temper of the ill Men of those ill times yet I think they ought to stay before they Preach this Doctrine to the People for a true Privilege of Parliament till they have got such another Act of Perpetuation in one Hand and a Sword to maintain it in the other which is the only Argument that at long run such Seditious People must have Recourse to and I hope it may be some time before such another Act will be obtained and longer before they can get the Power of the Sword to maintain it And certainly were there no other Inconveniences yet the dismal Effects which the continuance of this Parliament brought upon the King and Kingdom to the intire Ruin of the Government Laws Liberty and Property of the English Nation are sufficient to give all Loyal and Honest Subjects very terrible Apprehensions not only of the thing it self but that the Persons who revive and propagate such Opinions must have Designs to compass and effect the same Mischiefs over again which like an Inundation drowned the Kingdom in Blood by the Breach of this Bank of Royal Prerogative of the Kings being the sole Judg of the continuance and dissolving of Parliaments Mr. Glyn's Speech upon this Subject was as followeth Mr. Speaker WE sit now upon that grand business of the Breaches of the Rights and Priviledges of Parliaments which are so many and great Mr. Glyn's Speech about Breach of Priviledges Jan. 5. 1641. so carefully preserved and defended and having in former times severely punished the infringers thereof that I had thought and conceived that no Subject of what degree or dignity soever would either in their own persons or by misinforming his Majesty concerning the same would have presumed to have intrenched in the least measure upon the free Liberty Rights and very Beings of Parliaments or tending to the Breach thereof But Mr. Speaker I perceive the perverseness of divers persons in places of Authority that they dare not only presume to provoke his Majesty by their politick mis-informations but dare attempt of themselves to resist the lawful power both of the King and his high Court of Parliament Mr. Speaker These Men notwithstanding they apparently perceive that their wicked practices and malicious designs cannot take effect according to their expectation but are rejected and detected as well by his Sacred Majesty as his Lords and his whole Council dare venture to endeavour by casting aspersions and spreading abroad evil reports not only of the Members but of the Proceedings of the House of Commons against them and others of their Adherents and Favourits in their wicked and desperate Actions and Designs against their lawful Soveraign and his Liege People I conceive Mr. Speaker did these persons but remember the many Presidents yet extant of the just and deserved punishments inflicted by former Parliaments upon such Miscreants as witness the Arch-Bishop of York the Duke of Suffolk Chief Justice Belknap and the rest of that Conspiracy in the Reign of King Edward the Second they would have prejudged to themselves the like danger would follow upon them for their evil Actions Nay Mr. Speaker did these men but consider with themselves the just judgments of God that have immediately lighted upon the necks of such as have been the troublers of Kingdoms and Common-wealth whereof they have been Members as well recorded in Sacred Writ as of late times in this Kingdom yet still in fresh Memory they would have laid their hands upon their Mouths and hearts when they went about to speak or do any thing tending to the dishonour of Almighty God in innovating of his true Religion corrupting the sincere Doctrine and discipline of Christ and his Apostles as also any thing tending to the dishonour and perpetual destruction of his Royal Majesty however otherwise they may pretend the Fundamental Laws and Liberties of this Kingdom the Rights and Priviledges of Parliaments and the very being thereof but surely Mr. Speaker they are altogether benummed and stupified their Consciences dead and seared their Lives and Conversations altogether devoted to the works of darkness and impurity their desires altogether sensual carnal and devilish forgetting God kicking and spurring with maliciousness against all Piety and Godliness or else they would never have adventured to practice such things as it is too too manifest they have done Mr. Speaker I intend to be brief in that which I am to speak concerning the Breaches of the Priviledges of Parliament First To inform his Majesty of any Proceedings in the House of Commons upon any businesses whatsoever before they have concluded finished and made ready the same to present to his Majesty for his Royal Assent thereunto is a Breach of the Priviledges of Parliament Secondly To mis-inform his Majesty contrary to the Proceedings in Parliament thereby to incense and provoke him against the same is a Breach of Priviledge of Parliament Thirdly To cause or procure any Information or Accusation to be brought or preferred without the knowledge or consent of the Parliament into the House against any of the Members thereof is a Breach of Priviledge of Parliament Fourthly To apprehend any such Accused to imprison their persons to seize upon their Goods or Estates to prosecute and proceed against them to their Tryal and Judgment to Condemn or Execute them upon such Accusation without the consent or advice of the Parliament is a Breach of the Priviledges thereof Fifthly To endeavour to cast an evil opinion of such Members Accused into the hearts of his Majesties Loyal Subjects whereby they disaffecting them may be ready and willing to put in execution any Command or Warrant for their apprehension and imprisonment is a Breach of the Priviledges of Parliament Sixthly To come in open Parliament for any Officer or Serjeant to demand and arrest any such Member accused be it of high Treason or any other Crime whatsoever without the knowledge of the whole House is a Breach of the Priviledges of Parliament Seventhly to come to a Parliament sitting in free consultation assisted and guarded with Armed Men and with them be sitting the