Selected quad for the lemma: judgement_n
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A64063
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The commoners liberty, or, The English-mans birth-right ...
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Twysden, Roger, Sir, 1597-1672.
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Wing T3551; ESTC R20848
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aim_v at_o a_o arbitrary_a power_n to_o carry_v on_o their_o design_n that_o the_o lord_n without_o any_o presentment_n upon_o oath_n or_o trial_n by_o jury_n may_v upon_o a_o bare_a information_n and_o examine_v of_o certain_a witness_n proceed_v against_o any_o commoner_n whatsoever_o and_o that_o to_o deny_v this_o or_o not_o submit_v unto_o they_o be_v a_o breach_n of_o the_o privilege_n of_o the_o house_n of_o peer_n and_o a_o great_a lawyer_n of_o late_a have_v write_v a_o tract_n to_o justify_v their_o sentence_n fine_v and_o imprison_v any_o commoner_n and_o handle_v all_o who_o refuse_v to_o answer_v to_o they_o and_o by_o pen_n defend_v their_o so_o 45._o do_v as_o contemner_n of_o their_o authority_n ignorant_a sottish_a sectary_n illiterate_a ignoramus_n altogether_o unacquainted_a with_o our_o history_n and_o record_n etc._n etc._n to_o which_o i_o must_v needs_o say_v to_o answer_v once_o for_o all_o that_o this_o be_v not_o a_o sincere_a way_n of_o treat_v the_o matter_n in_o question_n to_o make_v the_o world_n believe_v there_o be_v none_o but_o such_o as_o contemn_v the_o authority_n of_o parliament_n ignorant_a person_n and_o the_o like_a which_o believe_v this_o when_o i_o dare_v bold_o say_v of_o such_o as_o have_v study_v and_o understand_v the_o question_n four_o part_n of_o five_o be_v of_o that_o opinion_n and_o himself_o pag._n 45._o hold_v their_o indubitable_a right_n of_o judicature_n of_o commoner_n to_o be_v but_o in_o extraordinary_a case_n of_o treason_n felony_n trespass_n and_o misdemeanour_n tryable_a only_o in_o parliament_n which_o if_o he_o shall_v be_v please_v to_o enumerate_v what_o they_o be_v that_o can_v elsewhere_o be_v try_v i_o shall_v not_o much_o differ_v with_o he_o but_o that_o the_o trial_n of_o such_o offence_n may_v be_v proper_a for_o parliament_n but_o such_o i_o confess_v i_o know_v none_o and_o to_o make_v that_o a_o crime_n which_o no_o know_v law_n call_v a_o crime_n be_v against_o the_o apostle_n definition_n of_o one_o sin_n be_v the_o 7._o transgression_n of_o the_o law_n and_o again_o i_o have_v not_o know_v sin_n but_o by_o the_o law_n it_o be_v likewise_o against_o the_o law_n of_o this_o land_n 7._o before_o i_o pass_v far_o it_o will_v not_o be_v amiss_o to_o agree_v upon_o the_o question_n which_o be_v not_o whether_o upon_o the_o petition_n of_o the_o commons_o and_o that_o pass_v the_o lord_n house_n the_o king_n assent_v to_o it_o a_o commoner_n may_v not_o be_v condemn_v it_o be_v indeed_o then_o a_o act_n of_o parliament_n such_o be_v those_o of_o 50_o e._n 3._o against_o richard_n lion_n william_n ellis_n etc._n etc._n which_o be_v confirm_v by_o the_o king_n at_o eltham_n neither_o if_o the_o king_n and_o lord_n which_o i_o neither_o affirm_v nor_o deny_v can_v censure_v in_o some_o case_n a_o man_n according_a to_o law_n do_v it_o therefore_o follow_v the_o lord_n alone_o can_v cause_v a_o commoner_n to_o be_v fine_v imprison_a or_o execute_v it_o be_v certain_a the_o king_n for_o ratify_v any_o such_o thing_n in_o parliament_n must_v be_v present_a in_o his_o natural_a capacity_n of_o which_o there_o need_v no_o other_o instance_n than_o the_o last_o i_o mention_v of_o 51._o the_o 50_o e._n 3._o when_o the_o king_n be_v sick_a send_v for_o the_o lord_n and_o commons_o to_o eltham_n which_o certain_a he_o have_v not_o do_v have_v there_o be_v any_o other_o practise_v way_n for_o confirm_v what_o he_o intend_v to_o pass_v beside_o his_o own_o presence_n before_o the_o statute_n 33_o h._n 8._o cap._n 21._o which_o yet_o enact_v that_o every_o law_n confirm_v in_o his_o absence_n shall_v be_v both_o under_o his_o seal_n and_o sign_v with_o his_o hand_n of_o which_o the_o last_o be_v certain_o personal_a neither_o be_v it_o the_o question_n whether_o the_o lord_n can_v judge_v such_o case_n as_o come_v into_o their_o house_n according_a to_o the_o statute_n 14_o e._n 3._o c._n 5._o stat._n 1._o or_o give_v judgement_n upon_o a_o writ_n of_o error_n on_o a_o cause_n legal_o bring_v thither_o out_o of_o the_o king_n bench._n neither_o do_v i_o impugn_v but_o that_o their_o opinion_n be_v of_o great_a authority_n in_o point_n of_o law_n every_o circumstance_n right_o consider_v before_o their_o deliver_n of_o it_o of_o which_o a_o undoubted_a one_o i_o conceive_v to_o be_v the_o know_v what_o the_o law_n be_v by_o the_o judge_n or_o other_o who_o best_o understand_v the_o thing_n in_o question_n for_o if_o otherwise_o it_o be_v contrary_a to_o sense_n to_o imagine_v a_o few_o lord_n of_o who_o not_o many_o be_v usual_o skill_v in_o the_o law_n and_o be_v out_o of_o the_o house_n be_v but_o like_o other_o man_n shall_v within_o those_o wall_n as_o it_o be_v by_o inspiration_n be_v the_o supreme_a judicature_n of_o the_o realm_n there_o must_v at_o the_o trial_n of_o a_o peer_n be_v at_o baron_n least_o 12._o or_o above_o who_o have_v ever_o assist_v they_o some_o of_o the_o judge_n to_o advise_v the_o lord_n steward_n and_o they_o what_o the_o law_n be_v who_o come_v up_o to_o the_o house_n of_o peer_n may_v direct_v the_o judge_n who_o have_v spend_v much_o time_n in_o study_v it_o what_o the_o law_n be_v this_o be_v so_o clear_a it_o need_v no_o proof_n else_o i_o can_v show_v where_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o judge_n not_o 10._o take_v the_o judgement_n of_o the_o lord_n be_v soon_o make_v void_a and_o in_o other_o where_o be_v give_v according_a to_o their_o sense_n it_o remain_v law_n to_o this_o day_n but_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o the_o lord_n alone_o upon_o a_o bare_a information_n for_o a_o trial_n by_o jury_n they_o use_v not_o nor_o ever_o do_v to_o my_o knowledge_n without_o the_o king_n can_v try_v and_o censure_v any_o commoner_n to_o his_o detriment_n either_o in_o his_o person_n or_o estate_n 8._o first_o and_o this_o i_o conceive_v they_o can_v be_v not_o certain_a to_o be_v de_fw-fr vicineto_n second_o because_o in_o point_n of_o life_n no_o commoner_n can_v ever_o try_v a_o lord_n of_o parliament_n three_o because_o the_o party_n accuse_v can_v challenge_v any_o of_o the_o lord_n his_o tryer_n etc._n etc._n four_o because_o it_o be_v express_o enact_v 4_o edw._n 3._o that_o they_o shall_v never_o have_v any_o power_n of_o so_o do_v which_o because_o the_o act_n itself_o be_v not_o print_v and_o be_v by_o some_o say_v to_o be_v only_o a_o protestation_n i_o will_v therefore_o for_o the_o clear_n of_o it_o set_v down_o at_o large_a 6._o concordia_fw-la ne_fw-la trahatur_fw-la in_o consequentiam_fw-la et_fw-la est_fw-la affentu_fw-la &_o accord_v par_fw-fr nostre_fw-fr seignieur_n leroy_n &_o touz_v les_fw-fr grantz_n en_fw-fr plein_fw-fr parliament_n que_fw-fr tout_fw-fr soit_fw-fr il_fw-fr que_fw-fr le_fw-fr ditz_fw-fr peer_n come_v juges_fw-la du_fw-fr parliament_n empristrent_n en_fw-fr la_fw-fr presence_n nostre_fw-fr seign_n le_fw-fr roy_fw-fr a_o fair_a &_o a_o rendre_fw-fr les_fw-fr ditz_fw-fr jugement_n par_fw-fr assent_n du_fw-fr roy_fw-fr sur_fw-fr aucun_n de_fw-fr ceux_fw-fr que_fw-fr n'estoient_fw-fr pas_fw-fr lour_v peer_n &_o ce_fw-fr par_fw-fr encheson_n de_fw-fr murdre_fw-fr de_fw-fr seig._n liege_n &_o destruction_n de_fw-fr celui_fw-fr que_fw-fr fut_fw-fr si_fw-fr pres_fw-fr de_fw-mi sink_v royal_a &_o fitz_fw-fr du_fw-fr roy_fw-fr que_fw-fr per_fw-la tant_fw-fr les_fw-fr ditz_fw-fr peer_n q'_fw-fr ore_fw-la sont_fw-fr ou_fw-fr les_fw-fr peer_n q'_fw-fr serront_fw-fr en_fw-fr temps_fw-fr avenir_fw-fr ne_fw-fr soient_fw-fr mes_fw-fr tenuz_fw-fr ne_fw-fr charge_n a_o rendre_fw-fr jugement_n sur_fw-fr autre_fw-fr que_fw-fr sur_fw-fr lur_n peer_n ne_o ace_n fair_a mes_fw-fr ayent_n les_fw-fr peer_n de_fw-fr la_fw-fr terre_fw-fr pour_z einz_fw-fr de_fw-fr ce_fw-fr pur_fw-mi touz_v jours_fw-fr soient_fw-fr dischargez_fw-fr &_o quite_v &_o que_fw-fr les_fw-fr avantditz_fw-fr jugementz_n ore_fw-la rendez_fw-fr ne_fw-fr soient_fw-fr tret_fw-la en_fw-fr ensample_n n'en_fw-fr consequence_n en_fw-fr temps_fw-fr avenir_fw-fr pour_fw-fr quoy_fw-fr les_fw-fr ditz_fw-fr peres_n puissent_fw-la estre_fw-fr charge_n desore_n a_o juger_fw-fr autres_fw-fr que_fw-fr lour_v peer_n contre_fw-fr la_fw-fr ley_fw-fr de_fw-fr la_fw-fr terre_fw-fr si_fw-fr au_fw-fr tiel_fw-fr eas_fw-la aveine_fw-fr que_fw-fr dieu_fw-fr defend_v a_o accord_n lest_o it_o shall_v be_v draw_v in_o consequence_n it_o be_v assent_v and_o agree_v by_o our_o lord_n the_o king_n and_o all_o the_o great_a man_n in_o full_a parliament_n that_o however_o the_o say_a peer_n as_o judge_n of_o parliament_n do_v undertake_v in_o the_o presence_n of_o our_o lord_n the_o king_n to_o give_v and_o render_v the_o say_a judgement_n by_o assent_n of_o the_o king_n upon_o some_o of_o those_o who_o be_v not_o their_o peer_n and_o that_o by_o reason_n of_o the_o murder_n of_o our_o liege_n lord_n and_o destruction_n of_o he_o who_o be_v so_o near_o the_o blood_n royal_a and_o son_n of_o a_o king_n that_o notwithstanding_o the_o peer_n that_o now_o be_v
have_v show_v it_o unto_o they_o as_o indeed_o it_o be_v not_o then_o usual_a but_o i_o shall_v ask_v the_o gentleman_n whether_o he_o will_v justify_v all_o the_o proceed_n in_o that_o cause_n as_o stand_v with_o the_o common_a justice_n of_o the_o realm_n certain_o it_o will_v be_v now_o by_o many_o thought_n very_o hard_a for_o a_o person_n in_o custody_n to_o be_v first_o examine_v private_o upon_o his_o own_o oath_n to_o accuse_v himself_o and_o then_o without_o be_v further_o proceed_v with_o by_o law_n to_o have_v the_o judgement_n in_o effect_n of_o a_o traitor_n for_o kill_v a_o person_n apparent_o not_o within_o the_o statute_n of_o 25_o edw._n 3._o doubtless_o so_o far_o as_o it_o appear_v to_o i_o this_o may_v be_v one_o of_o those_o precedent_n whereof_o sir_n edward_n 37._o cook_n aufereat_fw-la oblivio_fw-la si_fw-la potest_fw-la si_fw-la non_fw-la vicunque_fw-la silentium_fw-la tegat_fw-la of_o which_o opinion_n the_o commons_o it_o seem_v be_v who_o however_o they_o let_v it_o then_o pass_v he_o not_o plead_v the_o privilege_n of_o a_o commoner_n yet_o take_v care_v it_o shall_v not_o be_v so_o any_o 144._o more_o and_o it_o be_v observable_a that_o they_o desire_v no_o such_o accusation_n shall_v be_v receive_v in_o parliament_n but_o in_o his_o majesty_n other_o court_n come_v ad_fw-la este_fw-la fait_fw-fr &_o use_v anciennement_fw-fr en_fw-fr temps_fw-fr de_fw-fr vos_fw-fr tres_fw-fr noble_n progenitor_n etc._n etc._n which_o affirmation_n be_v indeed_o as_o much_o as_o be_v stand_v upon_o viz._n that_o it_o be_v not_o the_o use_n to_o try_v a_o commoner_n in_o parliament_n 17._o his_o second_o proof_n 79._o 1_o hen._n 4._o nu_fw-la 79._o where_o the_o commons_o affirm_v judgement_n in_o parliament_n pertain_v only_o to_o the_o king_n and_o lord_n etc._n etc._n you_o may_v see_v the_o record_n at_o large_a in_o his_o book_n pag._n 37._o and_o m._n lylburnes_n call_v the_o law_n funeral_n pag._n 16._o and_o set_v in_o the_o margint_fw-la nota_fw-la and_o pag._n 38._o that_o it_o be_v so_o full_a and_o punctual_a a_o parliamentary_a decision_n as_o be_v uncapeble_a of_o any_o answer_n or_o evasion_n to_o this_o if_o i_o shall_v answer_v that_o it_o be_v no_o act_n of_o parliament_n and_o therefore_o bind_v not_o in_o succession_n nor_o be_v now_o by_o consequence_n of_o any_o force_n i_o follow_v no_o less_o lawyer_n than_o sir_n edward_n cook_n but_o i_o confess_v that_o passage_n 23._o seem_v to_o i_o a_o declaration_n of_o what_o of_o right_n do_v in_o any_o parliament_n belong_v to_o the_o lord_n and_o commons_o and_o therefore_o to_o be_v more_o than_o temporary_a i_o shall_v therefore_o say_v that_o this_o precedent_n must_v extend_v only_o to_o such_o thing_n which_o be_v of_o the_o cogniscance_n of_o the_o parliament_n and_o proper_a for_o that_o judicature_n not_o of_o thing_n do_v no_o way_n at_o all_o appertain_v unto_o that_o court_n rot._n parl._n 13_o rich._n 2._o nu_fw-la 10._o after_o hear_v a_o very_a long_a case_n the_o record_n note_n ysembla_n as_o seignieurs_fw-fr du_fw-fr parliament_n que_fw-fr la_fw-fr dite_fw-fr petition_n n'_fw-fr estoit_fw-fr pas_fw-fr petition_n du_fw-fr parliament_n einz_fw-fr que_fw-fr la_fw-fr matiere_a enycelle_n compris_fw-la dent_fw-la este_fw-la tryepar_fw-la la_fw-fr come_v ley_fw-fr certain_o they_o seem_v not_o to_o have_v be_v judge_n in_o that_o case_n nor_o in_o another_o petition_n rot._n parl._n 16_o rich._n 2._o nu_fw-la 32._o to_o which_o the_o answer_n be_v suent_fw-la a_fw-fr roy_fw-fr purse_n que_fw-fr ceste_fw-fr petition_n n'_fw-fr est_fw-fr pas_fw-fr petition_n del_fw-it parliament_n rot_v parl._n 10._o hen._n 6._o nu_fw-la 35._o the_o commons_o affirm_v matter_n touch_v a_o man_n inheritance_n be_v not_o examinable_a in_o parliament_n and_o 32_o hen._n 6._o nu_fw-la 27._o a_o precedent_n himself_o remember_v page_n 51._o it_o be_v express_o say_v action_n at_o common-law_n be_v not_o determine_v in_o the_o high_a court_n of_o parliament_n by_o all_o which_o it_o be_v manifest_a those_o word_n that_o judgement_n perteine_a to_o the_o king_n and_o lord_n must_v be_v understand_v of_o such_o thing_n who_o decision_n be_v proper_a and_o perteine_a legal_o only_a to_o the_o parliament_n such_o be_v that_o 27_o hen._n 6._o nu_fw-la 18._o touch_v place_v the_o lord_n in_o parliament_n and_o that_o be_v give_v 1_o hen._n 4._o in_o parliament_n against_o the_o king_n himself_o of_o which_o the_o commons_o seem_v to_o have_v have_v no_o knowledge_n 1_o hen._n 4._o nu_fw-la 145._o which_o when_o the_o like_a come_v again_o in_o question_n rot._n parl._n 39_o hen._n 6._o nu_fw-la 12._o in_o the_o case_n of_o the_o title_n of_o the_o duke_n of_o york_n the_o lord_n in_o parliament_n charge_v the_o judge_n sad_o to_o advise_v touch_v it_o who_o the_o 20_o of_o october_n answer_n that_o they_o be_v the_o king_n justice_n to_o determine_v matter_n in_o law_n between_o party_n and_o party_n that_o this_o be_v above_o the_o law_n and_o pass_v their_o learning_n that_o the_o decision_n of_o it_o pertein_v to_o the_o lord_n of_o the_o king_n blood_n and_o the_o peerage_n of_o the_o land_n and_o therefore_o they_o desire_v to_o be_v excuse_v of_o give_v council_n in_o that_o matter_n now_o indeed_o in_o such_o case_n i_o shall_v not_o deny_v but_o the_o king_n and_o they_o may_v be_v judge_n yet_o whatever_o that_o privilege_n be_v in_o judge_v when_o they_o make_v a_o law_n to_o bind_v the_o subject_a concern_v any_o thing_n of_o that_o nature_n to_o that_o the_o commons_o be_v party_n as_o well_o as_o the_o lord_n see_v 7_o hen._n 4._o cap._n 2._o 25_o hen._n 8._o cap._n 22._o 28_o hen._n 8._o cap._n 7._o 35_o hen._n 8._o cap._n 1._o 18._o to_o his_o next_o precedent_n of_o 17_o rich._n 2._o nu_fw-la 20_o 21._o 38._o touch_v tho_o talbot_n conspire_v the_o death_n of_o the_o duke_n of_o lancaster_n and_o gloucester_n i_o have_v answer_v before_o nu_fw-la 12._o that_o it_o be_v by_o the_o lord_n only_o refer_v to_o the_o common-law_n 19_o his_o next_o precedent_n be_v that_o of_o the_o earl_n of_o northumberland_n 39_o 5_o hen._n 4._o nu_fw-la 12._o which_o being_n no_o commoner_n be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n as_o himself_o consess_v page_n 29._o and_o page_n 41._o only_o touch_v the_o protestation_n of_o the_o lord_n it_o be_v apparent_a they_o then_o have_v a_o opinion_n the_o king_n will_v have_v try_v he_o a_o lord_n by_o the_o judge_n without_o they_o who_o be_v his_o peer_n and_o for_o the_o king_n give_v judgement_n against_o henry_n and_o thomas_n percy_n he_o well_o know_v there_o be_v no_o person_n then_o judge_v or_o bring_v into_o judgement_n only_o a_o opinion_n of_o the_o king_n and_o lord_n deliver_v upon_o a_o desire_n of_o the_o archbishop_n of_o canterbury_n who_o conceive_v himself_o and_o the_o duke_n of_o york_n in_o some_o suspicion_n of_o have_v adhere_v to_o hotspur_n and_o the_o earl_n of_o worcester_n who_o the_o earl_n of_o northumberland_n then_o new_o clear_v by_o they_o do_v free_a from_o have_v have_v any_o compliance_n with_o they_o yet_o so_o as_o the_o king_n and_o lord_n do_v affirm_v the_o war_n former_o raise_v by_o they_o shall_v be_v hold_v treason_n so_o indeed_o judgeing_a no_o man_n but_o deliver_v a_o opinion_n that_o a_o war_n raise_v by_o two_o whereof_o one_o be_v slay_v in_o fight_n the_o other_o behead_v the_o next_o day_n at_o shrewesbury_n shall_v be_v hold_v treason_n of_o which_o there_o be_v little_a question_n his_o next_o precedent_n be_v that_o of_o weston_n and_o gomenis_fw-la to_o 42._o which_o though_o i_o have_v answer_v before_o nu_fw-la 15._o in_o the_o case_n of_o hall_n their_o offence_n have_v be_v commit_v beyond_o the_o sea_n and_o therefore_o not_o tryable_a by_o a_o ordinary_a way_n in_o england_n and_o now_o take_v away_o by_o statute_n yet_o it_o be_v apparent_a that_o judgement_n be_v a_o act_n of_o parliament_n pass_v at_o the_o request_n of_o the_o commons_o by_o the_o assent_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o stop_v till_o the_o king_n can_v be_v inform_v 20._o his_o next_o be_v that_o of_o alice_n perer_n against_o who_o judgement_n of_o banishment_n and_o forfeiture_n of_o land_n be_v 42._o give_v by_o the_o lord_n without_o the_o king_n or_o commons_o this_o be_v the_o only_a precedent_n that_o have_v most_o colour_n of_o truth_n and_o to_o his_o purpose_n in_o all_o his_o book_n and_o whether_o she_o a_o person_n that_o labour_v then_o under_o the_o public_a hate_n for_o her_o many_o lewd_a carriage_n may_v not_o have_v somewhat_o act_v against_o she_o not_o fit_a to_o be_v observe_v at_o other_o time_n i_o can_v tell_v it_o appear_v 89_o by_o record_n the_o law_n on_o which_o that_o judgement_n be_v ground_v 45_o of_o the_o 50_o ed._n 3._o do_v pass_v without_o ever_o call_v she_o to_o answer_v but_o for_o my_o part_n i_o do_v affirm_v this_o