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A36729 Reflections on the Council of Trent in three discourses / by H.C. de Luzancy. De Luzancy, H. C. (Hippolyte du Chastelet), d. 1713. 1679 (1679) Wing D2419; ESTC R27310 76,793 222

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of the highest concernment Whatever you intend to raise and build upon it cannot be but weak and ruinous and till the Pope be pleased to do us justice in that point we do well to stop our ears to all others XI But should we set aside all these considerations and grant that the Pope could both call and preside in this Council we maintain he ought not to do it How came he to be judg of those whose adversary he was to sentence his own accusers and to rule in a Council demanded with so many tears and obtained after five and twenty years delay only to reform him The heats of Leo the 10 th against Luther are very well known That Pope who had for so many years trampled upon the neck of Europe was almost distracted to see a despicable Frier rebel against him and attack indulgences of which his predecessors had alwaies bin most tender So considerable an adversary gave more credit to Luther than either his own merit or the justice of his cause could have done Nor was he to be accounted an ordinary man that had answered Pope Leo so briskly and stoutly received all the Vatican thunders He made his appeal to a future Council and was the more easily induced to defer till then his condemnation or justification because ●e never imagin'd Pope Leo his public ●nd profess'd Enemy would become his ●udg The German Princes went further and ●fter their accusation brought against ●he Pope for Heresie and Simony they 〈◊〉 appeal'd to a lawful Council T was at least the Popes duty to purge himself of so many accusations and to ●cknowledge according to the rule of the 〈◊〉 Canonists his most famous oracles that ●n such occasions he was depriv'd of all power The Arch-Bishop of Colen having been excommunicated by Paul the Third refused the Pope for his Judg as having bin attainted of Heresie and Idolatry long before and protested that as soon as a free Council should be opened he would appear there to accuse him according to the ancient Canons King Henry the Eighth declared in his Manifesto that the Roman Bishops orders did not concern him at all that the Pope had conceived a deadly hatred against him and that he sought after all occasions to be revenged of him for having shaken off his tyranny and withstood the intolerable contributions exacted of his Kingdoms by that See These different appeals had been made in all requisite terms and were not intended as a pretence to annul the Council but were offer'd before it was commenc'd without ever being recall'd What ever sligh● pretences the Pope had against Luther and the Princes of Germany he had none at all against Henry the Eight and the Arch-Bishop of Colen The one was a Prelate who demanded to be ruled by the Canons the other a great King never suspected of any Heresie one that was honoured with the glorious name of Defender of the Faith and tho we don't pretend to canonize all the actions of that incomparable Monarch it is well known his greatest guilt was the following the examples of his Predecessors in converting to the good of the State those immense riches which the Roman Luxury and idleness was maintained with and taking away those Monasteries whose People were become abominable and scandalous to the Church XII For these very reasons in former ages ●he Catholic Bishops defenders of Atha●asius his person and faith rejected the Council of Tyre because said they Theognis and Eusebius were his judges ●nd that Gods Law Inimicum neque te●em neque judicem esse vult St. Crysostome ●efus'd to appear before Theophilus only ●ecause he stil seem'd guilty of the crimes ●id to his charge and was his enemy ●uod contra omnes Canones leges est And ●his is so equitable that Pope Nicholas ●he First and Celestine the Third ac●nowledged that ipsa ratio dictat ●uia suspecti inimici judices esse non de●cant Cardinal Bellarmine is so embarass'd by the laws which those two Popes con●ess to be of natural equity that he admits of them except when it concerns ●he supream judge I pity that great defender of the Popes for giving so mise●able an answer For if it be true how ●ame it to pass that Pope Vigilius's constitution which he certainly pronounce● ex Cathedra was condemn'd in the Fift● general Council Why does the Sixth a●●so excommunicate Pope Honorius for b●●ing an Heretique Exclamaverunt o●●nes Honorio haeretico anathema And th● Seventh Detestamur Sergium Honorium● c. What means the Eight in forbid●ing Popes ever to be judged but whe● they are Heretiques Why did the● Basilean and Constantian make it an a●●ticle of Faith that the Popes are subje●● to a superior Judg when they becom● Hereticks Schismaticks or scandalous Why were Pope Anastasius John th● Thirteenth and a 100 others depos'd ●o● must needs either condemn this shinin● cloud of witnesses and with them all th● ages of the Church or confess that Pop● Paul the third had no reasons to presid● at Trent XIII T is no new thing to appeal from the Popes judgment Saint Austin writing 〈◊〉 the Donatists and speaking of the sentence given against them at Rome uses these words Let us suppose saies he that the Bishops who judged their cause at Rome had not judged aright there yet remained a Council of the Universal Church wherein your cause with your judges might have been judged again and their sentence annul'd had it been unjust But without looking back to the Primitive times the histories of our age afford us a thousand examples of this kind Nothing is more frequent in the English French and German records Nay the Monks themselves claim'd right to such appeals Luther was not the first who attempted to make use of them and we read in Paul Langius his Chronicles that Cesano a Frier appeal'd from the sentence of Pope Martin the fifth as being Heretical tho in a matter of very little concernment it being only to know to whom belong'd the propriety of the Franciscans's bread XIV But laying aside all these reasons how could the Pope be president in a Council call'd only for his reformation There is none but know that the disorders of the Church had no other Origin then the Court of Rome Nor did Protestants only think so but those also of the Church of Rome And tho both were extreamly opposite in their opinions concerning the remedies for so great a disease yet they all agreed in their apprehensions of its cause Pope Adrian the sixth and the Councellors of Paul the third acknowledg'd it with much sincerity This was the sentiment of Princes as well as Doctors Their publique Ministers did alwaies touch upon that string Pope Marcellus the second did not apprehend how his Predecessors could abhor the very name of reformation And it is like that had God bin pleas'd to
man most deeply engag'd in the love of the World most buried in all its pleasures the most taken with its glory one that is a public sinner guilty of all the excesses which libertinism or atheism are able to inspire such an one as this must be excus'd from too much troubling himself The bearing of a Medal bowing to a Saint walking to such a Church or the like will wash him whither then snow and presently render him as innocent in the eyes of God as the best of them who think it worth their while to work out their salvation with fear and trembling Phil. 2. 12. who are at the trouble of mortifying in themselves the body of sin by an incredible perseverance by continual Fasting Praiers and Alms that they may present their bodies a living sacrifice holy and acceptable unto God Rom. 10. 1. XXII Thus the power of Dispensing opens the door to infinite scandals But the Pope was impowr'd to do what he would the Council granting him that which he could never hope for viz. the affertion of his infallibility and pre-eminence above general Councils two Opinions that had never bin heard of for 14 Ages and were scarce brought forth into the World but all learned and pious Men opposed them the 400 Bishops at Basil and the famous Sorbon stiling them pernicious Heresies but the Fathers of Trent being afraid to contradict openly so considerable an autority and yet desirous to have their intent dealt after a most pleasant manner they take away these two words Infallibility and Superiority but preserve carefully the thing 1. The Council declares the Church of Rome is Mother and Mistress of all Churches 2. The Council affects to stick at many matters and remits their decision to the Popes judgment Now what man of sense is there who would not draw these two Consequences 1. The Church of Rome being Mother of all Churches in the World and a general Council being compos'd but of particular Churches the Pope being Bishop of Rome is therefore Father and Master of all Bishops Councils 2. There is Infallibility in the Church this must either be in the Pope or in the Council not in the last since the Council cannot and dares not give their Opinion in many and weighty matters therefore in the first whose Church is Mistress and Mother of all Christian Churches in the World and whose sentence an oecumenical Council submits unto as to an Oracle which must fix its uncertainty But the same man should with their good leave to these consequences add a third which is 3. That the faculty of Sorbon is Heretical The Learned Gerson Chancellor of Paris is an Heretic The 400 Bishops at Basil are Heretics Pope Pius the Second an Heretic Martin the Fifth an Heretic And generally all the Learned Men of the Church for these 200 years are Heretics for they all call that Doctrine of Infallibility and Superiority a pernicious Heresie XXIII These two Points Infallibility and Superiority being once stated what reformation could be expected in the Church If the Pope be infallible What an insolent boldness is it to subject him to other rules then his own And if the Church of Rome be Mistress and Mother of all Churches What right have these Churches to give Laws instead of receiving them from her And therefore I cannot sufficiently admire how the author of the Considerations upon the Council of Trent durst assert That the Pope had bin ill us'd at Trent and nothing was said of his Supremacy We leave it to all persons to judg of the truth of this Assertion we can only say That the Authors who had written till then with the greatest ardor to promote the Apostolical Grandeur had never given her the ambitious qualifications of Mother and Mistress nay they were so far from raising the Pope above Councils that they call such a Doctrine a Schism and an Heresie XXIV But as if Infallibility and Superiority were not enough the Council adds a third a Vow of true obedience The word true obedience is no less pleasant then the trae pardon of sins The Court of Rome is so us'd to equivocations and ambiguities that her fears appear in her own Decrees All Christians therefore whether Clergy or Laity are tied up or rather sacrificed to the Pope by a solemn Oath so as let him be as much Arian as Liberius as much a Monothelite as Honorius as unlearned as Celestine the Fourth as Simoniacal as John the Twenty second as unclean as Alexander the Sixth let him be as insolent towards Kings as Hildebrand to Frederic Boniface to Philip August Innocent to John King of England Leo the Tenth to Henry the Eighth Julius the Third to the Queen of Navar yet he cannot be resisted 't is not lawful to disobey the Father and Master of all Churches to believe him in the wrong whose judgment is above all Councils and to oppose him to whom you are sworn upon the four Gospels XXV These reasons occasion'd the doleful complaint of Monsieur d' Espences then present at the Council who saies openly That the Church is in a more desperate condition then before and that by reason of the Italian Bishops whom he calls the Helena which triumph'd at Trent there is no hope to cure her wounds Gentianus Hervaeus Doctor in Sorbon also and present at the Council speaks after the same rate and differs only from the others in that he ascribes all the miscarriages of the Council to Lainez and Salmero both Jesuits Julius Sanelius being return'd from Trent whether he had bin brought by the Cardinal of Lorrain gave an account of that Assembly in these terms That in the Council of the Apostles it had bin said Visum est spiritui sancto nobis it seem'd good to the Holy Ghost and to us but in that of Trent Plus nobis quam Spiritui Sancto more to us then to the Holy Ghost It appears therefore that the pretended Reformation of the Pope and Court of Rome is a meer Chimera nor is it an harder matter to evidence that the Reformation of the Church is a meer disorder It may be said and very truly that the sins which Lay-men lie under have no other source then the bad examples of the Clergy and we may learn both from profane Writings and Divine from Historians as well as Prophets that the good or bad life of Priests hath ever had an unspeakable influence on mankind But 't is another truth no less certain that if the sins of the people come from the Priests those of the Priests spring from the Bishops this being a daily experiment that as the Clergy is holy when it is govern'd by Saints so it becomes abominable to God when the life of its head does not answer the duties and excellency of his dignity The shortest way therefore to reform the Church was seriously to reform the Bishops But instead of reforming the Episcopal Order the Fathers
looks on the praises which the Saints have given him in their Epistles as titles and privileges from Christ the Church of England opposes it with as much constancy as justice and not being able to cure the wounds of that Bishop she leaves him to the judgment of our great God XII The pride of the Pope has caus'd the separation of the Greek Church and made a breach between East and West which will never be made up It has also bin the occasion of the one part of the West being divided from the other And it is not ten years since in the affair of the four French Bishops it had like to raise a Schism and a division in the rest XIII But supposing the submission of all the rest to Rome should be lawful yet that is nothing to the Church of England which was never any part of it It plainly appears she receiv'd the Faith almost as soon as Christ brought it to the world but altho the time be uncertain yet none can think that she was ever instructed by the Church of Rome Her manner of observing Easter as in the East and her Ceremonies very different from those used in the Church of Rome shew that she receiv'd the Gospel from thence St. Gregory having sent hither Austin the Monk and that Holy Saint requiring the Clergy to submit to the Popes autority the Abbot of Bangor in the name of all the rest answer'd in such terms as shew'd the purity and simplicity of the former times We submit our selves saies he to the Church of God to the Pope of Rome and to every good Christian and love each of them with such a degree of charity as is due to them to assist them both in our works and Councils to become sons of God we know no other respect due to him whom you stile Father of Fathers XIV It is therefore certain for six hundred years at least that the Church of England hath in no manner bin subject to that of Rome her Councils and promotions of Bishops and generally all that belongs to Religion has bin transacted without the Church of Rome being at all concerned in them It would be much against the honor of the Pope if those means should be made known by which he hath endeavor'd to establish himself for the succeeding ages The public Acts of this Kingdom of a far greater autority then all their legends are ●ully charg'd with his Oppressions What pains did the Kings take to put a stop to them with what constancy did the Clergy oppose it till the time of Henry the Eighth That history was writ with as much impartiality as truth by the Learned Sir Roger Twisden It appears by all public Acts that the Pope hath wonderfully endeavor'd to make use of all conjunctures of times to get footing into this great Isle He hath bin enrich'd by the liberality of her Kings by Factions which he sow'd in the heart of the Kingdom and by the Wars which he brought upon it from abroad XV. Henry the Eighth whom all the Popes have so cry'd out upon went not further then his Predecessors and the title of supreme Governor in these his Realms well understood is no less due to him then to any other Prince in the World This King or any of his Successors pretend to no more autority over the Church then Constantine Justinian or Charles the Great They have neither power to administer the Sacraments nor to Preach the word of God They meddle not at all with any thing which belongs to faith or manners and leave to their Bishops all the power in those matters which Christ himself has given them They make no Canons tho they add Sanctions to them and declare the knowledge of Spiritual affairs is not a right of their Crowns They only take care of the outward administration of the Church to see Canons executed and hinder foreign autority under pretence of piety from disturbing the quiet of their people Upon this account the Bull of no Pope is receiv'd in France without the Kings consent all privileged men are daily restor'd to the jurisdiction of the Ordinaries and when any thing does endanger the liberties of the Gallican Church or the Laws of the Land the Pasce oves meas is of no force and the Kings autority stops the attemts of the Holy Father In Spain the King has the disposal of all things belonging to the outward Government of the Church The Inquisitors condemn in the Kings name and when the Council of Trent was there receiv'd 't was by the command he gave his Subjects to do it nor do the Kings of England claim any more XVI 'T was not the title of Supreme Governor which did most of all distast the Pope He could easily bear with that in all Kings for it is but what naturally belongs to them he knew that every King has such autority over the Church but he fear'd the consequences of it which indeed are very terrible to a Pope Henry the Eighth by that did suppress the Bulls which came from Rome and retain'd in his own Realms those vast sums which before were yearly carried out of them This was transacted in the sight of two great Kingdoms inclin'd enough to do the like The Pope therefore thought that in prudence he ought to cry out on that Prince but because a man cries in ●ain when things are represented in their ●rue and lively colours he gave his defenders liberty of forming Chimera's to the end they might work upon the people such an effect in this point as he desired XVII The Church of England need not recu● to an extraordinary mission nor to those arguments so far distant from reason to prove her self a Church She hath not confounded the order of things and assum'd a Government lately sprung up Since she hath receiv'd the Faith which was according to Nicephorus in the firs● age and to St. Beda some small time after we see the succession of Bishops hath continu'd without the least interruption or change XVIII The Usurpations of Popes the com●merce of Italians and most of all the ignorance wherewith God for some tim● permitted the West to be blinded mad● them fall into the errors of Rome But when God looked upon the Church in h●● mercy and had opened her eies she la●bored to reform her self but not in a tu●multuous manner and spilling of blood● She was not left to the conduct of the blind People which will suffer nothing but what pleaseth them best and which is delighted only with extreams The King calls a Council of the whole Kingdom stored with wise and holy Bishops as appears both in their lives and works This Council form'd the articles of a reformation which being seconded by the law of their Prince according to the custome of all Monarchs were by that great Kingdom receiv'd with a general respect XIX These holy Prelats in the Reformation had nothing carried on either