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20._o of_o act_n presbyter_n and_o bishop_n to_o be_v all_o one_o do_v we_o prove_v the_o bishop_n describe_v in_o timothy_n and_o titus_n to_o be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o in_o name_n and_o office_n with_o a_o presbyter_n do_v we_o prove_v that_o their_o church_n be_v all_o govern_v communi_fw-la consilio_fw-la presbyterorum_fw-la all_o shall_v be_v grant_v we_o and_o yet_o the_o divine_a right_n of_o episcopacy_n be_v still_o hold_v up_o by_o this_o sleight_n by_o tell_v we_o that_o before_o the_o apostle_n leave_v the_o earth_n they_o make_v over_o their_o authority_n to_o some_o prime_a man_n demand_v where_o this_o be_v extant_a the_o angel_n of_o the_o seven_o church_n be_v plead_v present_o and_o partly_o because_o we_o have_v no_o other_o scripture_n of_o latter_a inspiration_n and_o edition_n whereby_o to_o prove_v the_o contrary_n another_o inducement_n be_v because_o the_o writer_n near_o the_o apostle_n time_n make_v frequent_a mention_n of_o a_o bishop_n and_o as_o they_o 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time_n deviate_v from_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o apostle_n but_o now_o how_o insufficient_a a_o ground_n this_o be_v for_o the_o raise_n up_o of_o so_o mighty_a a_o fabric_n as_o episcopacy_n by_o divine_a right_n or_o apostolical_a institution_n we_o desire_v the_o reader_n to_o judge_v by_o that_o that_o follow_v first_o the_o thing_n they_o lie_v as_o their_o foundation_n be_v a_o mere_a metaphorical_a word_n and_o such_o as_o be_v ordinary_o apply_v to_o presbyter_n in_o common_a second_o the_o penman_n of_o those_o seven_o epistle_n do_v never_o in_o they_o nor_o in_o any_o of_o his_o other_o write_n so_o much_o as_o use_v the_o name_n of_o bishop_n he_o name_v presbyter_n frequent_o especial_o in_o this_o book_n yea_o where_o he_o will_v set_v out_o the_o office_n of_o those_o that_o be_v near_a to_o the_o throne_n of_o christ_n in_o his_o church_n revel_v 4._o and_o whereas_o in_o saint_n johns_n day_n some_o new_a expression_n be_v use_v in_o the_o christian_a church_n which_o be_v not_o in_o scripture_n as_o the_o christian_a sabbath_n begin_v to_o be_v call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o christ_n himself_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d now_o both_o these_o be_v find_v in_o the_o write_n of_o s._n john_n and_o it_o be_v strange_a to_o we_o that_o the_o apostle_n shall_v mention_v a_o new_a phrase_n and_o not_o mention_v a_o new_a office_n erect_v in_o the_o church_n as_o you_o will_v make_v we_o believe_v neither_o three_o in_o any_o of_o his_o write_n the_o least_o intimation_n of_o superiority_n of_o one_o presbyter_n over_o another_o save_v only_o where_o he_o name_v diotrephes_n as_o one_o ambitious_o affect_v such_o a_o primacy_n nor_o be_v there_o any_o one_o word_n in_o these_o epistle_n whence_o a_o episcopal_a authority_n may_v be_v collect_v so_o that_o do_v not_o the_o testimony_n that_o live_v soon_o after_o make_v the_o argument_n plausible_a it_o will_v appear_v ridiculous_a but_o alas_o the_o suffrage_n of_o all_o the_o writer_n in_o the_o world_n be_v infinite_o unable_a to_o command_v a_o act_n of_o divine_a faith_n without_o which_o divine_a right_n can_v be_v apprehend_v suppose_v we_o be_v as_o very_o persuade_v that_o ignatius_n write_v the_o epistle_n which_o go_v under_o his_o name_n which_o yet_o we_o have_v just_a cause_n to_o doubt_v of_o as_o know_v that_o many_o learned_a man_n reject_v a_o great_a part_n of_o they_o and_o some_o all_o as_o we_o can_v be_v persuade_v that_o tully_n write_v his_o all_o this_o can_v persuade_v no_o further_o that_o the_o apostle_n ordain_v and_o appoint_v bishop_n as_o their_o successor_n but_o only_o by_o a_o humane_a faith_n but_o neither_o be_v that_o so_o the_o most_o immediate_a and_o unquestionable_a successor_n of_o the_o apostle_n give_v clear_a evidence_n to_o the_o contrary_n it_o be_v grant_v on_o all_o side_n that_o there_o be_v no_o piece_n of_o antiquity_n that_o deserve_v more_o esteem_n than_o the_o epistle_n of_o clement_n quotation_n late_o bring_v to_o light_v by_o the_o industry_n and_o labour_n of_o that_o learned_a gentleman_n master_n patrick_n young_a and_o in_o that_o epistle_n bishop_n and_o presbyter_n be_v all_o one_o as_o appear_v by_o what_o follow_v the_o occasion_n of_o that_o epistle_n seem_v to_o be_v a_o new_a sedition_n raise_v by_o the_o corinthian_n against_o their_o presbyter_n page_n 57_o 58._o not_o as_o bishop_n hall_n say_v the_o continuation_n of_o the_o schism_n among_o they_o in_o the_o apostle_n day_n clemens_n to_o remove_v their_o present_a sedition_n tell_v they_o how_o god_n have_v always_o appoint_v several_a order_n in_o his_o church_n which_o must_v not_o be_v confound_v first_o tell_v they_o how_o it_o be_v in_o the_o jewish_a church_n then_o for_o the_o time_n of_o the_o gospel_n tell_v they_o that_o christ_n send_v his_o apostle_n through_o country_n and_o city_n in_o which_o they_o constitute_v the_o first_o fruit_n or_o the_o chief_a of_o they_o unto_o bishop_n and_o 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by_o he_o to_o maintain_v his_o prelatical_a episcopacy_n and_o that_o both_o by_o foist_v in_o the_o word_n withal_o into_o this_o translation_n which_o be_v not_o in_o the_o text_n that_o the_o reader_n may_v be_v seduce_v to_o believe_v that_o the_o office_n of_o episcopacy_n and_o presbytery_n be_v two_o different_a office_n and_o also_o by_o willing_o misunderstand_v clement_n his_o phrase_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o by_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o will_v have_v we_o understand_v episcopacy_n as_o distinct_a from_o presbytery_n whereas_o the_o whole_a series_n of_o the_o epistle_n evident_o prove_v that_o the_o word_n episcopus_fw-la &_o presbyter_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o so_o also_o by_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o will_v have_v we_o to_o understand_v that_o the_o contention_n then_o in_o corinth_n be_v only_o about_o the_o name_n whereas_o it_o appear_v by_o the_o epistle_n itself_o that_o the_o controversy_n be_v not_o about_o the_o name_n but_o dignity_n of_o episcopacy_n for_o it_o be_v about_o the_o deposition_n of_o their_o godly_a presbyter_n p._n 57_o 58._o and_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v thus_o interpret_v by_o beza_n eph._n 1._o 21._o phil._n 2._o 9_o &_o heb._n 1._o 4._o and_o mead_n in_o apoc._n 11._o p._n 156._o in_o which_o place_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v render_v by_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d so_o here_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v put_v for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o all_o this_o we_o see_v that_o the_o most_o genuine_a and_o near_a successor_n of_o the_o apostle_n know_v no_o such_o difference_n last_o it_o be_v worth_a our_o observation_n that_o the_o same_o writer_n who_o as_o they_o say_v testify_v that_o these_o 7._o angel_n be_v in_o a_o superior_a degree_n to_o presbyter_n do_v likewise_o affirm_v
we_o allege_v obiter_fw-la tindal_n translate_n the_o seven_o church_n seven_o congregation_n all_o you_o answer_v be_v 113_o only_o to_o show_v that_o in_o other_o place_n of_o the_o scripture_n by_o congregation_n in_o tindals_n sense_n can_v be_v mean_v a_o parishional_a meeting_n but_o what_o if_o it_o be_v not_o so_o in_o other_o place_n how_o do_v you_o make_v it_o appear_v that_o it_o be_v not_o so_o in_o this_o place_n we_o be_v sure_a it_o be_v so_o take_v in_o twenty_o other_o place_n of_o tindals_n translation_n and_o may_v very_o proper_o be_v take_v here_o also_o we_o allege_v also_o that_o in_o ephesus_n which_o be_v one_o of_o these_o candlestick_n there_o be_v but_o one_o flock_n you_o demand_v whether_o this_o flock_n be_v national_n 114._o provincial_n or_o diocesan_n and_o why_o do_v you_o not_o demand_v whether_o it_o be_v not_o ecumenical_a also_o that_o so_o the_o pope_n may_v in_o time_n come_v to_o challenge_v his_o flock_n universal_a but_o you_o be_v sure_a 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