Selected quad for the lemma: judgement_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
judgement_n	bishop_n	church_n	presbyter_n	1,645	5	10.1981	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A37268	A particular ansvver to a book intituled, The clergy in their colours	J. D. (John Davy)	1651 (1651)	Wing D443; ESTC R14910	35,669	50

more then reformation were not the scope of your intention In the same Page you make the Clergy the main Incendiaries in stirring up people against the Parliament and this too must be set upon the common head as the fault of the whole Clergy whereas all the Christian world knows had it not been for what influence the Clergy had upon the people there had long ere this time been no Parliament to be opposed In pag. 40. You upbraid the Clergy with being beholden to a Lexicons and you might as well have said a Horn-book or Primar for to them they may have been beholden too what disparagement is it for the highest building to have had its foundation low in the earth or if you mean the constant use of it no mans memory is infinite We know but in part and prophesie but in part 1 Cor. 13 8 10 11. And yet for all this you say some of them have such bold foreheads c. more skill then the Septuagint Sir it being acknowledged by the Church that the 70. were not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I know not why a modest man having more then 70. times 70. of his judgement may not as well cleave to these as to them their translation as well as others being subject to disquisition And what if a Minister not so much as they Master of the Languages meet with one of the errors of the Seventy in which they did 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as is observed by the learned is it ever the lesse true in his mouth because he was not the first that discovered it In p. 41. Because they know many of the Lay-men are good Scholars and better then many of them c. they are in Orders forsooth c. These words of yours are inconsistent with Piety and Polity First They are against Piety for never did any people how barbarous soever worship a God who did not also acknowledge a Priest And yet if the naturall Law had been quite extinguished sacred Orders are evidently grounded upon the Word of God and have been with reverence admitted in all ages of the Church It was not the least circumstance aggravating the sin of Jeroboam that in his time who would might consecrate himself and become Priest of the high places and yet they were not so irreligious as to serve without some kinde of consecration To what hath been already said to this purpose I shall only adde here this one Text more Rom. 10.15 Who can preach except he besent dejure I suppose all men understand it not de facto and Origens many errors have in the judgement of the Church been imputed to his so long neglect of Orders But they derive their title from the Bishops whom you say they will not own That I may speak my minde freely I think that Presbyters in taking off Episcopall propts did but as it were pull an old house on their head and it would have made more for the good of the Church if Episcopacy had stood with its due regulation But so it comes to passe through the deceitfulnesse of our hearts that When Gods cause and our own concurre we are apt Jehu like to drive furiously and truly I think many of the Presbyters ●hom I deservedly honour as well as the people following their humour have not been free of envy or coveteousnesse in prosecution of that design of which by this time it may have repented them But whether they acknowledge them for Bishops or no it is sure they never disallowed them as Ministers and what then will their receiving their call from them make to your purpose M. Luther renounced his Monastick life because it was not allowed by the Word of God to vow what was not in the votists power but he never renounced his Order although received in the Popish manner no more did any other of the martyred Bishops and other Ministers as far as I remember who deserted the Romish Church as well as he We mistake the Church of Rome if we imagine it so full of errour as to have had no truth left in it For certain it is not so much corrupted as were the 10. Tribes during the reign of 19. Kings successively in Israel and he that well observes the state of the Jewish Church in the daies of our Saviour will finde it scarce so good as the Romish Church now But howsoever if Orders be given and received now with us according to that direction which the Apostles left and the primitive Saints practised what need we trouble our selves with any intermediats 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 said Ignatius and therefore as to themselves they need not regard your horrid sarcasm in these following words By which impsition of hands the holy Ghost is conveyed into them as it was brought out of Scotland in a Cloak-bag And why is it not conferred because all such gifts as some had in the Apostles time are not given the second temple of Jerusalem might then have been disallowed for that it wanted besides magnitude and statelinesse of structure 1. The Ark of God 2. The Vrim and Thummim 3. The glory of God appearing between the Cherubims 4 The fire that descended from Heaven and consumed the sacrifices 5. The immediate gift of prophecie for from the daies of Malachi to John the Baptist they had only what they call 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And yet the Prophet Hag. 2.9 saith the glory of the second house shall exceed that of the first But as the name of God is by you in these words abused so all good men ought to be troubled for the same expression is recorded for a most blasphemous Proverb in the History of the Councell of Trent translated out of Italian by Sir N. Brent lib. 6 pag 497. Although I know not whether Hezekiah's command concerning Rabshakeh be not here observable Answer him not Now the Lord himself behold and judge who most abuseth his holy Name you or the Presbyters for mine own part I have no more to say to it but The Lord rebuke thee But secondly This sentence is inconsistent with good Polity for what confusion must needs be brought into a Common-wealth by means not being allowed the free use of their vocation but that every man who supposeth himself able for another mans calling shall take his place from him The Vtopians to avoid unnecessary professions were every man to make his own cloathes but the prudent States-man who devised it never dream'd of such an ataxie as you would bring in who make no complaint of the vainest superfluity and yet purposely oppose that which is the one thing necessary But I should wrong the cause in hand by being beholden to any lower proof then the voice of Gods Spirit seeing you deny your self to be an Antiscripturist What can be plainer then that of the Apostle 1 Cor. 7.24 What calling any man is in let him therein abide Or that of Peter where he reprehends as worthy of punishment 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉