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A26911 The defence of the nonconformists plea for peace, or, An account of the matter of their nonconformity against Mr. J. Cheney's answer called The conforming nonconformist, and The nonconforming conformist : to which is added the second part in answer to Mr. Cheney's Five undertakings / by Richard Baxter. Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1680 (1680) Wing B1238; ESTC R10601 97,954 194

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life_n i_o much_o fear_n lest_o relax_a and_o stretch_v the_o oath_n of_o allegiance_n and_o supremacy_n but_o as_o much_o as_o you_o relax_v and_o stretch_v the_o word_n of_o the_o subscription_n declaration_n liturgy_n etc._n etc._n may_v untie_v the_o conscience_n of_o rebel_n and_o king-killer_n so_o far_o as_o to_o make_v way_n for_o and_o consist_v with_o rebellion_n and_o kill_v the_o king_n iv._o it_o seem_v to_o i_o most_o dangerous_o to_o expose_v the_o life_n of_o all_o the_o subject_n of_o the_o kingdom_n to_o the_o will_n of_o their_o enemy_n and_o to_o be_v a_o virtual_a murder_v of_o many_o or_o any_o if_o not_o all_o person_n that_o have_v enemy_n for_o while_o two_o false_a swearer_n may_v take_v away_o a_o man_n life_n if_o man_n be_v teach_v to_o stretch_v oath_n and_o