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be_v account_v as_o the_o proponent_n of_o matter_n of_o faith._n 2._o be_v it_o necessary_a in_o order_n to_o heretical_a obstinacy_n that_o the_o person_n believe_v the_o proponent_n to_o be_v infallible_a or_o not_o if_o it_o be_v than_o none_o can_v be_v convince_v of_o heretical_a obstinacy_n but_o such_o as_o reject_v the_o church_n authority_n when_o they_o believe_v it_o infallible_a and_o then_o none_o of_o we_o can_v be_v charge_v with_o it_o for_o we_o do_v not_o believe_v the_o church_n infallibility_n if_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a than_o the_o church_n infallibility_n be_v not_o necessary_a to_o faith_n for_o iâ—_n order_n to_o heretical_a obstinacy_n he_o must_v be_v convince_v of_o resist_v that_o which_o be_v necessary_a in_o order_n to_o faâ—â—h_v from_o whence_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o the_o church_n infallibility_n be_v noâ—_n equire_v as_o the_o ground_n of_o faith._n 3_o suppose_v a_o person_n think_v himself_o bind_v in_o conscience_n to_o believe_v those_o 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