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A07646 A gagg for the new Gospell? No: a nevv gagg for an old goose VVho would needes vndertake to stop all Protestants mouths for euer, with 276. places out of their owne English Bibles. Or an ansvvere to a late abridger of controuersies, and belyar of the Protestants doctrine. By Richard Mountagu. Published by authoritie. Montagu, Richard, 1577-1641. 1624 (1624) STC 18038; ESTC S112831 210,549 373

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