Selected quad for the lemma: judgement_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
judgement_n	assert_v	england_n	great_a	29	3	2.0896	3	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A33973	A reasonable account why some pious, nonconforming ministers in England judge it sinful for them to perform their ministerial acts, in publick, solemn prayer by the prescribed forms of others wherein several of their arguments are modestly propounded, opended and justified against pretended answers given to them, either by Ireneus Freeman, or Mr. Falconer, in his book entituled Liberitas ecclesiastica, or others : the strength also of the several arguments brought by them, for the lawfulness of forms to be used universally by ministers, in their publick ministrations, is fairly tried.	Collinges, John, 1623-1690.; Freeman, Ireneus.; Falkner, William, d. 1682. Libertas ecclesiastica.	1679 (1679)	Wing C5330; ESTC R14423	97,441	180

allow_v to_o be_v the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n but_o our_o forefather_n the_o martyr_n be_v not_o of_o this_o impudent_a religion_n if_o they_o have_v they_o may_v have_v save_v their_o life_n but_o let_v we_o hear_v what_o have_v be_v the_o opinion_n of_o more_o valuable_a and_o ancient_a protestant_n in_o this_o case_n we_o will_v instance_n in_o two_o both_o eminent_a bishop_n of_o salisbury_n the_o one_o at_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o reformation_n the_o other_o die_v within_o a_o few_o year_n last_o pass_v bp_o jewel_n and_o bp_o davenant_n §_o 13_o what_o bishop_n jewel_n thought_n may_v be_v read_v in_o his_o apology_n against_o harding_n chap._n 2._o divis_n 7._o the_o subject_n say_v he_o be_v bind_v to_o obey_v his_o prince_n how_o be_v it_o not_o in_o all_o thing_n but_o where_o god_n glory_n be_v not_o touch_v these_o noble_n he_o speak_v of_o those_o in_o scotland_n have_v learn_v of_o st._n peter_n it_o be_v better_a to_o obey_v god_n then_o man_n and_o of_o the_o prophet_n david_n it_o be_v better_a to_o trust_v in_o god_n then_o in_o prince_n for_o they_o be_v mortal_a and_o shall_v die_v neither_o may_v a_o godly_a prince_n take_v it_o as_o any_o dishonour_n to_o his_o estate_n to_o see_v god_n obey_v before_o he_o for_o he_o be_v not_o god_n but_o the_o minister_n of_o god_n leo_n say_v christ_n determine_v that_o we_o shall_v give_v to_o god_n the_o thing_n that_o be_v god_n and_o to_o cesar_n the_o thing_n that_o be_v caesar_n very_o this_o be_v not_o to_o rebel_v against_o cesar_n but_o to_o help_v he_o etc._n etc._n §_o 14_o in_o the_o next_o place_n let_v we_o hear_v bp_o davenant_n in_o his_o excellent_a commentary_n on_o the_o collossian_o chap._n 2._o v._n 23._o ignatius_n loyola_n say_v he_o the_o father_n of_o the_o jesuit_n in_o that_o epistle_n of_o he_o which_o be_v read_v in_o the_o jesuit_n college_n every_o month_n warn_v and_o command_v they_o serious_o by_o a_o blind_a obedience_n absolute_o to_o do_v whatsoever_o their_o superior_n command_v not_o consider_v whether_o it_o be_v good_a or_o profitable_a yea_o or_o no_o for_o that_o say_v he_o take_v away_o the_o value_n and_o merit_n of_o obedience_n it_o be_v also_o the_o common_a opinion_n of_o the_o papist_n that_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v in_o christian_n such_o a_o humility_n of_o mind_n that_o they_o must_v not_o in_o the_o least_o doubt_n of_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v command_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n either_o to_o be_v believe_v or_o do_v in_o religion_n or_o in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n but_o we_o say_v he_o notwithstanding_o this_o true_o say_v that_o this_o blind_a obedience_n be_v not_o only_o foolish_a but_o impious_a and_o irreligious_a 1_o because_o we_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o obey_v superior_n but_o in_o case_n wherein_o they_o be_v our_o superior_n now_o as_o to_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n and_o divine_a worship_n god_n alone_o be_v our_o superior_a if_o therefore_o man_n endeavour_v to_o forge_v new_a doctrine_n of_o faith_n or_o to_o bring_v in_o a_o new_a worship_n they_o go_v beyond_o the_o bound_n of_o that_o power_n which_o be_v commit_v to_o they_o and_o be_v not_o in_o this_o thing_n acknowledge_v to_o be_v our_o superior_n 2_o because_o the_o command_n of_o a_o inferior_a power_n do_v not_o oblige_v to_o obedience_n when_o it_o contradict_v the_o command_n of_o a_o superior_a power_n ast_n 4._o 19_o we_o must_v rather_o obey_v god_n then_o man_n 3_o because_o no_o intelligent_a person_n will_v expose_v himself_o to_o the_o danger_n of_o mortal_a sin_v as_o the_o school_n man_n speak_v but_o whosoever_o vow_v and_o perform_v absolute_a subjection_n and_o blind_a obedience_n to_o man_n expose_v himself_o to_o a_o manifest_a hazard_n for_o every_o man_n may_v err_v by_o command_v those_o thing_n that_o be_v evil_a according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o our_o new_a edition_n of_o divine_n we_o will_v glad_o understand_v how_o any_o man_n can_v run_v a_o danger_n either_o of_o mortal_a sin_n or_o venial_a either_o by_o do_v any_o thing_n in_o obedience_n to_o the_o command_n of_o superior_n 4_o because_o what_o be_v proper_a to_o god_n can_v without_o great_a impiety_n be_v give_v to_o man_n but_o a_o absolute_a dominion_n over_o man_n soul_n &_o body_n be_v proper_a to_o god_n alone_o to_o he_o the_o will_n of_o man_n owe_v a_o absolute_a obedience_n to_o he_o his_o understanding_n owe_v in_o all_o thing_n a_o prompt_a assent_n but_o those_o who_o require_v this_o obedience_n of_o we_o use_v to_o object_n that_o it_o be_v not_o the_o subject_n part_v to_o judge_v of_o the_o faith_n &_o action_n of_o their_o superior_n they_o seem_v therefore_o to_o recede_v from_o their_o duty_n when_o they_o doubt_v whether_o the_o thing_n be_v true_a and_o lawful_a which_o be_v publish_v and_o confirm_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o those_o who_o be_v set_v over_o they_o this_o he_o answer_v subject_n neither_o may_v nor_o aught_o with_o a_o judgement_n of_o authority_n to_o judge_v of_o their_o superior_n action_n but_o they_o may_v and_o aught_o to_o judge_v of_o they_o so_o far_o as_o concern_v themselves_o with_o a_o judgement_n of_o discretion_n aquinas_n excellent_o give_v the_o reason_n of_o it_o every_o one_o say_v he_o be_v bind_v to_o examine_v his_o own_o act_n according_a to_o the_o knowledge_n which_o he_o have_v from_o god_n whether_o it_o be_v natural_a acquire_v or_o infuse_v for_o he_o be_v bind_v to_o act_v according_a to_o reason_n it_o be_v say_v he_o confirm_v by_o the_o example_n of_o all_o pious_a man_n who_o although_o they_o do_v not_o arrogate_v to_o themselves_o a_o judgement_n of_o authority_n upon_o magistrate_n or_o prelate_n yet_o they_o use_v their_o judgement_n of_o discretion_n concern_v thing_n command_v by_o they_o thus_o far_o that_o reverend_n and_o very_a learned_a man_n §_o 15_o this_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n and_o be_v wont_a to_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o father_n in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o we_o humble_o offer_v it_o to_o the_o consideration_n of_o our_o ruler_n whether_o there_o can_v be_v great_a factor_n for_o popery_n in_o england_n than_o those_o who_o so_o bold_o assert_v the_o duty_n of_o blind_a jesuitical_a obedience_n and_o declaim_v against_o the_o judgement_n of_o private_a and_o practical_a discretion_n the_o first_o be_v the_o very_a foundation_n of_o popery_n the_o latter_a the_o foundation_n of_o the_o protestant_a religion_n §_o 16_o but_o to_o proceed_v with_o mr._n freeman_n he_o tell_v we_o the_o nonconformist_n have_v in_o word_n grant_v more_o than_o he_o ask_v let_v we_o first_o know_v what_o he_o ask_v then_o see_v what_o they_o have_v grant_v that_o which_o he_o ask_v be_v our_o concession_n that_o it_o be_v lawful_a in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n to_o do_v something_n not_o command_v by_o god_n what_o have_v the_o nonconformist_n grant_v he_o instance_v in_o three_o thing_n 1_o to_o command_v in_o the_o circumstance_n of_o divine_a worship_n what_o be_v general_o command_v in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n 2_o to_o appoint_v time_n and_o place_n 3_o to_o appoint_v such_o circumstance_n without_o which_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n in_o the_o judgement_n of_o common_a reason_n must_v be_v indecent_o and_o disorderly_o perform_v of_o which_o he_o make_v the_o follow_a improvement_n p._n 35._o of_o the_o reasonableness_n of_o divine_a service_n 1_o a_o form_n of_o prayer_n be_v but_o a_o circumstance_n of_o prayer_n and_o i_o have_v prove_v that_o if_o the_o magistrate_n think_v they_o convenient_a they_o be_v in_o the_o general_n command_v 2_o if_o he_o can_v appoint_v the_o time_n and_o place_n which_o he_o think_v most_o convenient_a though_o otherwise_o it_o will_v be_v less_o he_o will_v fain_o know_v a_o reason_n why_o he_o may_v not_o appoint_v a_o form_n which_o he_o think_v most_o expedient_a though_o otherwise_o it_o will_v be_v less_o expedient_a to_o appoint_v to_o begin_v at_o such_o a_o time_n be_v as_o real_o a_o limitation_n of_o the_o spirit_n as_o to_o appoint_v a_o form_n for_o the_o ordinary_a reason_n which_o they_o speak_v of_o it_o must_v either_o be_v the_o reason_n of_o the_o magistrate_n or_o of_o the_o people_n or_o both_o if_o they_o mean_v the_o reason_n of_o the_o people_n then_o the_o sense_n be_v that_o the_o magistrate_n have_v power_n to_o appoint_v such_o thing_n as_o the_o people_n judge_v reasonable_a we_o thank_v they_o for_o nothing_o if_o both_o we_o thank_v they_o for_o as_o much_o if_o they_o mean_v that_o reason_n which_o be_v best_a without_o restrain_v it_o to_o any_o subject_n i_o reply_v that_o reason_n in_o the_o idea_n do_v nothing_o but_o as_o it_o be_v somebody_o be_v reason_n except_o the_o magistrate_n have_v power_n to_o command_v what_o he_o apprehend_v agreeable_a

become_v a_o unlawful_a mean_n and_o lawful_a for_o we_o to_o omit_v it_o though_o we_o pray_v less_o fervent_o therefore_o he_o tell_v we_o p._n 23._o he_o that_o be_v by_o the_o magistrate_n forbid_v to_o go_v to_o the_o next_o church_n and_o therefore_o be_v necessitate_v to_o go_v to_o one_o more_o remote_a must_v needs_o be_v more_o indispose_v to_o prayer_n by_o his_o long_a journey_n except_o some_o man_n of_o a_o temper_n by_o themselves_o so_o that_o he_o shall_v not_o perform_v the_o duty_n with_o so_o high_a a_o intention_n of_o mind_n or_o fervency_n of_o spirit_n as_o may_v probable_o be_v experience_v in_o case_n he_o come_v to_o the_o church_n less_o weary_v and_o weather_n beat_v but_o yet_o such_o a_o man_n may_v lawful_o go_v to_o the_o far_a church_n and_o pray_v there_o though_o these_o hindrance_n of_o intention_n and_o fervency_n be_v consequent_a thereupon_o because_o they_o be_v necessary_a not_o voluntary_a he_o wish_v the_o case_n be_v otherwise_o with_o he_o but_o as_o the_o case_n stand_v if_o he_o shall_v go_v to_o the_o next_o church_n contrary_a to_o the_o magistrate_n prohibition_n he_o shall_v sin_v and_o evil_n be_v not_o to_o be_v do_v that_o good_a may_v come_v of_o it_o especial_o when_o a_o great_a evil_n may_v come_v of_o it_o than_o the_o good_a aim_v at_o as_o in_o this_o case_n §_o 20_o to_o all_o which_o we_o answer_v god_n send_v his_o church_n in_o england_n better_a divine_v then_o this_o author_n the_o case_n be_v this_o the_o unlawfulness_n of_o minister_n ordinary_a use_n of_o form_n prescribe_v by_o other_o be_v endeavour_v to_o be_v prove_v because_o it_o hinder_v intention_n of_o mind_n and_o fervency_n of_o spirit_n two_o thing_n from_o reason_n and_o by_o god_n special_a command_n and_o determination_n necessary_a to_o every_o good_a prayer_n he_o grant_v they_o be_v both_o necessary_a whence_o it_o follow_v that_o he_o who_o omit_v any_o mean_n give_v or_o allow_v he_o by_o god_n be_v natural_a &_o rational_a which_o may_v help_v he_o in_o this_o must_v needs_o sin_n against_o god_n who_o law_n command_v a_o end_n always_o command_v the_o use_n of_o all_o proper_a mean_n relate_v to_o it_o he_o grant_v this_o a_o mean_a in_o itself_o lawful_a &_o he_o must_v acknowledge_v it_o proper_a and_o natural_a yet_o he_o say_v it_o be_v no_o sin_n to_o omit_v it_o and_o so_o consequent_o no_o sin_n for_o one_o to_o serve_v god_n with_o a_o lesser_a intention_n and_o fervency_n when_o we_o have_v a_o natural_a power_n to_o serve_v he_o with_o a_o great_a intention_n and_o fervency_n and_o why_o none_o because_o he_o say_v it_o be_v necessary_a not_o voluntary_a be_v it_o not_o voluntary_a that_o be_v strange_a he_o do_v not_o put_v the_o case_n of_o the_o magistrate_n force_v he_o to_o be_v drage_v to_o another_o place_n at_o such_o a_o distance_n where_o his_o spirit_n must_v be_v exhaust_v before_o he_o can_v come_v how_o be_v it_o necessary_a then_o not_o natural_o not_o by_o coaction_n it_o remain_v therefore_o that_o it_o must_v be_v necessary_a by_o some_o divine_a determination_n in_o what_o leaf_n of_o scripture_n shall_v we_o find_v it_o he_o offer_v no_o text_n but_o what_o command_v our_o obedience_n to_o magistrate_n but_o be_v there_o any_o scripture_n require_v a_o obedience_n to_o man_n in_o all_o thing_n or_o must_v those_o text_n be_v limit_v to_o such_o thing_n where_o we_o may_v obey_v they_o without_o disobey_v god_n thus_o this_o author_n have_v fine_o answer_v by_o beg_v the_o question_n which_o be_v whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o omit_v the_o use_n of_o a_o proper_a mean_o give_v by_o god_n for_o the_o performance_n of_o a_o act_n in_o his_o worship_n according_a to_o his_o will_n the_o apostle_n sure_o determine_v better_a whether_o it_o be_v better_a to_o obey_v god_n or_o man_n judge_v you_o to_o his_o instance_n therefore_o the_o answer_n be_v easy_a if_o when_o we_o may_v with_o equal_a advantage_n to_o our_o soul_n go_v to_o a_o near_a church_n and_o to_o one_o far_a but_o yet_o not_o at_o such_o a_o distance_n as_o before_o we_o come_v there_o we_o shall_v be_v spend_v our_o spirit_n exhaust_v and_o we_o fit_a to_o sleep_v then_o to_o serve_v god_n we_o think_v we_o ought_v to_o obey_v but_o if_o they_o will_v command_v we_o to_o go_v to_o a_o place_n at_o such_o a_o distance_n as_o we_o can_v reach_v in_o any_o time_n or_o without_o such_o a_o waste_a &_o tire_v of_o our_o spirit_n as_o when_o we_o come_v there_o we_o shall_v be_v unfit_a for_o the_o service_n of_o god_n we_o can_v obey_v he_o trifle_v to_o say_v the_o thing_n be_v inexpedient_a it_o be_v unlawful_a and_o he_o be_v a_o fallacious_a sophister_n in_o divinity_n who_o talk_v of_o choose_v lesser_a evil_n of_o sin_n before_o great_a there_o can_v be_v no_o necessity_n of_o sin_v §_o 21_o in_o his_o p._n 26._o he_o seem_v to_o hint_n a_o time_n when_o a_o less_o intention_n be_v more_o acceptable_a to_o god_n than_o a_o great_a that_o time_n we_o will_v glad_o know_v for_o the_o scripture_n say_v nothing_o of_o it_o he_o tell_v we_o when_o the_o overplus_a arise_v from_o the_o gift_n not_o from_o the_o grace_n this_o be_v a_o strange_a nick_n of_o time_n we_o always_o think_v the_o grace_n exercise_v in_o prayer_n lay_v very_o much_o in_o god_n assistance_n of_o we_o to_o keep_v our_o mind_n attent_a to_o our_o duty_n and_o intent_n upon_o &_o fervent_a with_o god_n in_o our_o duty_n so_o that_o to_o we_o it_o seem_v a_o strange_a piece_n of_o sense_n that_o the_o overplus_n of_o attention_n intention_n and_o fervency_n shall_v proceed_v not_o from_o the_o grace_n but_o from_o the_o gift_n he_o go_v on_o &_o tell_v we_o p._n 28._o see_v the_o same_o thing_n be_v pray_v for_o in_o the_o litany_n which_o can_v be_v the_o matter_n of_o the_o long_a conceive_a prayer_n though_o not_o in_o that_o variety_n novelty_n and_o elegancy_n of_o phrase_n if_o the_o heat_n and_o the_o intention_n they_o speak_v of_o proceed_v from_o the_o strength_n of_o their_o desire_n to_o the_o thing_n themselves_o it_o will_v be_v equal_a in_o both_o case_n but_o see_v it_o be_v not_o equal_a it_o must_v needs_o proceed_v from_o some_o other_o cause_n and_o probable_o from_o some_o of_o those_o assign_v §_o 22_o he_o say_v true_a it_o must_v either_o proceed_v from_o some_o different_a matter_n or_o some_o other_o cause_n but_o 1_o we_o doubt_v whether_o what_o he_o say_v of_o the_o litany_n be_v true_a we_o think_v it_o far_o short_a of_o contain_v the_o whole_a matter_n of_o ordinary_a confession_n or_o petition_n or_o thanksgiving_n see_v what_o the_o commissioner_n at_o the_o savy_a in_o their_o paper_n since_o print_v have_v say_v to_o this_o but_o suppose_v 2_o the_o matter_n be_v full_a can_v there_o be_v nothing_o else_o frigidam_fw-la suffundere_fw-la to_o cool_v a_o christian_n spirit_n what_o if_o there_o be_v a_o mixture_n of_o something_o else_o which_o a_o christian_a can_v in_o his_o judgement_n allow_v in_o the_o popish_a missal_n be_v much_o excellent_a matter_n but_o we_o shall_v think_v he_o but_o a_o lukewarm_a protestant_n that_o can_v be_v fervent_a in_o spirit_n serve_v the_o lord_n by_o it_o it_o be_v a_o great_a cool_n to_o a_o christian_n spirit_n when_o his_o mind_n suggest_v doubt_n to_o he_o whether_o this_o be_v a_o way_n mode_n or_o method_n of_o worship_n which_o god_n will_v accept_v because_o never_o direct_v by_o he_o here_o we_o instead_o of_o stir_v up_o &_o exercise_v our_o own_o gift_n and_o minister_a they_o borrow_v the_o gift_n of_o other_o and_o serve_v god_n with_o what_o cost_v we_o nothing_o but_o a_o little_a lip_n labour_n §_o 23_o to_o conclude_v for_o this_o author_n we_o need_v no_o more_o than_o mr._n ireneus_fw-la against_o mr._n freeman_n every_o man_n be_v bind_v to_o pray_v with_o the_o high_a intention_n of_o mind_n and_o fervency_n of_o spirit_n which_o he_o can_v by_o just_a mean_n attain_v but_o he_o who_o have_v a_o ability_n to_o express_v his_o own_o want_n &_o want_v of_o other_o to_o god_n in_o prayer_n in_o word_n first_o form_v in_o his_o own_o heart_n do_v in_o the_o exercise_n of_o prayer_n use_v the_o form_n of_o other_o man_n do_v not_o pray_v with_o the_o great_a intention_n of_o mind_n &_o fervour_n of_o spirit_n which_o can_v be_v obtain_v by_o just_a mean_n ergo._fw-la this_o be_v m_o r._n ireneus_fw-la argument_n in_o his_o book_n call_v the_o reasonableness_n of_o divine_a service_n let_v m_o r._n freeman_n answer_v it_o we_o profess_v we_o can_v the_o major_n be_v make_v up_o of_o m_o r._n ireneus_fw-la his_o own_a word_n in_o the_o aforesaid_a book_n p._n 22._o the_o minor_a be_v not_o only_o say_v by_o mr._n ireneus_fw-la but_o prove_v too_o

1_o if_o a_o man_n have_v a_o antipathy_n to_o form_n he_o say_v it_o be_v no_o wonder_n that_o he_o can_v have_v but_o little_a intention_n and_o fervour_n in_o the_o use_n of_o they_o so_o then_o he_o who_o have_v such_o a_o infirmity_n can_v pray_v with_o the_o like_a intention_n or_o fervour_n by_o they_o now_o that_o such_o a_o antipathy_n be_v sinful_a he_o have_v not_o prove_v we_o suppose_v he_o do_v not_o mean_a natural_a antipathy_n that_o must_v be_v necessary_a and_o by_o his_o own_o consequence_n not_o sinful_a if_o he_o mean_v moral_a it_o be_v the_o same_o with_o prejudice_n the_o goodness_n or_o badness_n of_o which_o depend_v upon_o the_o efficient_a cause_n if_o any_o be_v therefore_o prejudice_v against_o they_o because_o he_o can_v apprehend_v it_o a_o way_n of_o worship_n institute_v by_o god_n enjon_v or_o practise_v by_o the_o apostle_n or_o apostolical_a church_n let_v he_o demonstrate_v the_o sinfulness_n of_o this_o prejudice_n we_o can_v 2_o man_n may_v be_v more_o intent_n he_o say_v because_o of_o novelty_n of_o phrase_n be_v it_o so_o so_o that_o they_o be_v more_o intent_n &_o fervent_a if_o the_o newness_n of_o phrase_n will_v contribute_v towards_o it_o for_o aught_o we_o know_v it_o be_v a_o bless_a mean_n for_o sure_o it_o be_v lawful_a by_o god_n law_n and_o if_o by_o do_v what_o be_v not_o in_o itself_o sinful_a we_o can_v advantage_v ourselves_o in_o do_v what_o be_v by_o a_o divine_a precept_n necessary_a he_o must_v by_o his_o next_o tell_v we_o why_o we_o may_v not_o do_v it_o 3_o he_o say_v p._n 26._o nature_n itself_o be_v apt_a to_o be_v more_o intent_n and_o fervent_a in_o the_o exercise_n of_o a_o gift_n then_o of_o a_o grace_n and_o therefore_o where_o there_o be_v a_o place_n for_o the_o exercise_n of_o both_o there_o may_v probable_o be_v more_o intention_n and_o fervour_n but_o say_v we_o the_o use_n of_o a_o gift_n be_v just_o no_o where_o forbid_v by_o god_n but_o we_o be_v command_v to_o minister_v it_o to_o stir_v it_o up_o not_o to_o neglect_v it_o etc._n etc._n it_o be_v natural_a rational_a proper_a most_o immediate_a give_v by_o god_n on_o purpose_n for_o the_o act_n to_o which_o it_o relate_v 4_o he_o say_v man_n be_v natural_o more_o affect_v with_o their_o own_o invention_n then_o with_o the_o invention_n of_o other_o what_o need_v more_o what_o scripture_n what_o reason_n make_v the_o use_n of_o our_o own_o invention_n and_o word_n unlawful_a so_o that_o we_o think_v mr._n ireneus_fw-la have_v full_o prove_v that_o it_o be_v unlawful_a for_o he_o who_o himself_o have_v a_o ability_n fit_o to_o express_v his_o own_o and_o other_o want_n in_o word_n unto_o god_n in_o prayer_n ordinary_o to_o use_v the_o form_n of_o other_o because_o he_o allow_v it_o our_o duty_n to_o serve_v god_n with_o the_o high_a attention_n of_o thought_n intention_n of_o mind_n and_o fervour_n of_o spirit_n which_o can_v be_v attain_v by_o lawful_a mean_n and_o he_o have_v also_o give_v we_o four_o or_o five_o reason_n why_o we_o can_v pray_v with_o the_o like_a attention_n and_o intention_n by_o the_o prescribe_a form_n of_o other_o as_o by_o word_n first_o form_v in_o our_o own_o heart_n thus_o have_v mr._n ireneus_fw-la conclude_v against_o mr._n freeman_n and_o leave_v he_o nothing_o to_o do_v but_o to_o prove_v that_o if_o superior_n command_v man_n to_o serve_v god_n in_o prayer_n with_o less_o attention_n intention_n &_o fervency_n it_o be_v lawful_a and_o such_o prayer_n may_v be_v more_o acceptable_a to_o god_n than_o such_o as_o be_v put_v up_o with_o great_a attention_n intention_n and_o fervour_n which_o we_o shall_v believe_v when_o he_o have_v prove_v that_o if_o the_o israelites_n superior_n have_v command_v they_o though_o they_o have_v males_n in_o their_o flock_n yet_o to_o offer_v female_n they_o may_v have_v lawful_o do_v it_o and_o it_o will_v have_v be_v either_o as_o or_o more_o acceptable_a the_o case_n be_v the_o very_a same_o §_o 24_o for_o what_o the_o same_o author_n talk_v more_o of_o the_o heat_n of_o the_o body_n and_o such_o as_o be_v cause_v by_o obstruction_n of_o breath_n and_o drawl_a out_o of_o word_n it_o speak_v nothing_o but_o the_o eructation_n of_o a_o profane_a heart_n more_o dispose_v to_o flout_v at_o religion_n and_o to_o take_v any_o silly_a occasion_n true_a or_o false_a to_o reproach_v the_o professor_n of_o it_o then_o to_o answer_v a_o good_a and_o solid_a argument_n and_o so_o we_o have_v do_v with_o mr._n freeman_n believe_v we_o have_v not_o leave_v he_o so_o much_o as_o a_o figeale_v to_o cover_v the_o nakedness_n of_o his_o answer_n §_o 25_o let_v we_o now_o consider_v what_o be_v say_v against_o this_o argument_n by_o mr._n falconer_n the_o reverend_a author_n of_o libertas_n ecclesiastica_fw-la who_o p._n 120_o 121._o thus_o speak_v it_o be_v further_a object_v that_o form_n of_o prayer_n be_v disadvantage_n to_o piety_n and_o devotion_n and_o the_o noncon_n often_o plead_v experience_n as_o a_o testimony_n they_o be_v the_o cause_n of_o much_o deadness_n in_o man_n spirit_n and_o the_o hindrance_n of_o the_o lively_a exercise_n of_o religion_n hear_v on_o the_o other_o hand_n other_o by_o experience_n assert_v the_o advantage_n of_o set_a form_n to_o promote_v devotion_n when_o attend_v without_o prejudice_n and_o with_o a_o religious_a design_n of_o join_v in_o god_n worship_n to_o discern_v the_o truth_n in_o this_o difference_n it_o may_v be_v useful_a to_o consult_v the_o judgement_n of_o such_o person_n as_o be_v least_o partial_a in_o this_o case_n and_o yet_o be_v able_a to_o make_v a_o true_a estimate_n of_o damage_n and_o advantage_n and_o then_o especial_o to_o consider_v the_o evidence_n of_o reason_n which_o may_v be_v produce_v to_o which_o we_o say_v §_o 26_o the_o sensus_fw-la piorum_fw-la neither_o be_v nor_o ever_o be_v judge_v by_o person_n of_o our_o reverend_a brother_n sobriety_n and_o worth_n a_o inconsiderable_a argument_n for_o the_o truth_n of_o a_o proposition_n especial_o a_o practical_a proposition_n not_o plain_o determine_v in_o holy_a writ_n nor_o can_v be_v so_o judge_v as_o to_o the_o help_n of_o true_a devotion_n they_o be_v like_o best_a to_o understand_v the_o best_a and_o true_a mean_n who_o be_v most_o exercise_v in_o the_o act_n and_o constant_a pursuit_n of_o the_o end_n indeed_o it_o be_v very_o reasonable_a in_o this_o case_n that_o if_o the_o proposition_n be_v not_o of_o that_o nature_n as_o the_o truth_n of_o it_o be_v variable_a with_o reference_n to_o several_a christian_n that_o the_o major_a part_n of_o pious_a soul_n and_o able_a shall_v be_v take_v into_o judgement_n and_o very_o in_o this_o case_n be_v it_o possible_a that_o all_o religious_a soul_n have_v themselves_o the_o gift_n of_o prayer_n can_v be_v assemble_v we_o think_v we_o may_v trust_v the_o question_n in_o issue_n to_o their_o umpirage_n as_o to_o those_o though_o pious_a who_o have_v not_o attain_v to_o this_o gift_n we_o can_v judge_v they_o competent_a judge_n of_o what_o they_o have_v no_o experience_n but_o this_o be_v not_o to_o be_v hope_v for_o §_o 27_o we_o say_v we_o do_v not_o think_v but_o the_o experience_n of_o christian_n may_v be_v different_a in_o the_o case_n and_o some_o may_v find_v the_o use_n of_o their_o own_o gift_n more_o advantageous_a other_o may_v possible_o find_v form_n more_o advantageous_a it_o depend_v much_o on_o the_o degree_n of_o the_o gift_n which_o every_o one_o have_v not_o in_o the_o same_o measure_n but_o this_o we_o judge_v that_o every_o one_o be_v bind_v in_o the_o duty_n of_o prayer_n to_o use_v that_o lawful_a mean_n which_o he_o by_o experience_n find_v most_o conducive_a to_o himself_o to_o keep_v his_o thought_n attentive_a his_o mind_n intent_n his_o heart_n and_o affection_n fervent_a so_o as_o one_o may_v be_v under_o a_o obligation_n not_o to_o use_v form_n another_o under_o a_o obligation_n for_o the_o present_a to_o use_v they_o the_o obligation_n here_o arise_v from_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o thing_n as_o it_o may_v be_v the_o best_a mean_n to_o one_o and_o not_o to_o another_o so_o he_o be_v bind_v or_o not_o bind_v let_v not_o therefore_o he_o that_o use_v they_o condemn_v he_o that_o use_v they_o not_o nor_o he_o that_o use_v they_o not_o condemn_v he_o that_o use_v they_o and_o we_o do_v not_o think_v matter_n of_o this_o nature_n fit_a matter_n for_o a_o superior_n command_v one_o minister_n by_o experience_n find_v it_o best_o as_o m_n r._n herbert_n say_v in_o time_n of_o prayer_n to_o seal_v up_o both_o his_o eye_n shut_v up_o the_o door_n at_o which_o a_o wander_a soul_n use_v to_o go_v out_o another_o find_v it_o more_o expedient_a to_o keep_v his_o eye_n open_a and_o fix_v towards_o heaven_n both_o these_o aim_v

this_o be_v indeed_o true_a notwithstanding_o any_o law_n or_o canon_n yet_o extant_a only_o diverse_a of_o those_o minister_n who_o use_v any_o family_n prayer_n who_o be_v to_o be_v too_o the_o example_n to_o the_o flock_n do_v not_o think_v fit_a to_o use_v it_o but_o there_o also_o limit_v themselves_o to_o the_o public_a book_n but_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o suppose_v it_o be_v lawful_a to_o obey_v superior_n command_v we_o to_o perform_v our_o ministerial_a act_n ordinary_o in_o public_a solemn_a prayer_n by_o the_o prescribe_a form_n of_o other_o yea_o and_o necessary_a too_o suppose_v hereafter_o superior_n shall_v command_v man_n to_o do_v the_o like_a in_o their_o family_n obedience_n also_o in_o that_o case_n will_v not_o be_v both_o lawful_a and_o necessary_a we_o have_v a_o scriptural_a instance_n of_o a_o magistrate_n edict_n reach_v to_o family_n we_o must_v profess_v if_o we_o can_v grant_v the_o obligation_n and_o judge_v it_o lawful_a to_o obey_v in_o the_o first_o which_o be_v our_o present_a case_n we_o can_v see_v with_o what_o pretence_n of_o scripture_n or_o reason_n we_o can_v avoid_v obedience_n to_o a_o superior_n command_v in_o the_o second_o case_n and_o we_o will_v glad_o learn_v of_o our_o brethren_n §_o 4_o nay_o suppose_v a_o law_n of_o the_o latitude_n of_o that_o of_o nabuchadnezzar_n extensive_a to_o a_o closet_n also_o that_o we_o shall_v no_o where_o pray_v to_o the_o god_n of_o heaven_n but_o in_o the_o use_n of_o the_o church_n prayer_n what_o shall_v hinder_v but_o that_o it_o shall_v be_v lawful_a yea_o necessary_a to_o yield_v a_o ready_a active_a obedience_n to_o it_o will_v any_o one_o say_v that_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o because_o we_o be_v bind_v to_o obey_v magistrate_n command_n for_o worship_n in_o public_a prayer_n and_o public_a place_n therefore_o we_o shall_v be_v bind_v to_o obey_v the_o same_o command_v make_v to_o extend_v to_o private_a worship_n and_o place_n such_o as_o house_n and_o closert_n we_o must_v profess_v we_o be_v of_o another_o mind_n and_o not_o able_a to_o assign_v any_o sufficient_a reason_n to_o the_o contrary_a and_o shall_v be_v glad_a to_o hear_v any_o can_v teach_v we_o our_o dull_a soul_n reasón_v thus_o be_v not_o magistrate_n and_o subject_n relative_n and_o be_v not_o dominion_n the_o foundation_n of_o the_o relation_n and_o relative_n use_v to_o go_v together_o sure_o look_v how_o far_o the_o superior_n dominion_n and_o right_a to_o that_o extend_v so_o far_o obedience_n will_v be_v find_v a_o duty_n so_o as_o the_o question_n only_o will_v be_v whether_o the_o magistrate_n have_v not_o a_o dominion_n over_o his_o subject_n in_o their_o private_a house_n and_o closert_n if_o he_o have_v his_o command_n reach_v they_o there_o which_o if_o they_o do_v if_o the_o matter_n be_v lawful_a say_v our_o brethren_n it_o be_v necessary_a to_o obey_v and_o why_o be_v not_o a_o command_n as_o lawful_a enjoin_v the_o constant_a use_n of_o prescribe_a form_n there_o as_o in_o church_n or_o temple_n now_o the_o magistrate_n daily_o and_o confess_o just_a punish_a enormity_n in_o family_n closert_n bedchamber_n be_v sufficient_a instance_n of_o the_o extent_n of_o the_o magistrate_n dominion_n to_o those_o private_a place_n and_o consequential_o evince_v the_o duty_n of_o obedience_n suppose_v a_o command_n if_o in_o a_o matter_n wherein_o the_o law_n of_o god_n have_v give_v he_o a_o power_n to_o oblige_v his_o subject_n and_o although_o it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o magistrate_n can_v take_v such_o a_o cognisance_n of_o what_o be_v do_v in_o private_a house_n and_o closert_n yet_o that_o signify_v nothing_o in_o the_o case_n for_o our_o question_n be_v whether_o suppose_v such_o a_o command_n it_o may_v with_o a_o good_a conscience_n be_v obey_v if_o it_o may_v than_o it_o must_v be_v obey_v according_a to_o our_o brethren_n principle_n then_o whether_o the_o magistrate_n know_v of_o the_o disobedience_n or_o no_o matter_n not_o yet_o he_o may_v come_v to_o the_o cognisance_n of_o it_o by_o child_n by_o eavesdropper_n by_o confession_n etc._n etc._n the_o soul_n of_o the_o offender_n how_o ever_o be_v make_v guilty_a and_o stand_v bind_v over_o to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o great_a day_n so_o as_o we_o profess_v we_o can_v see_v but_o if_o we_o may_v lawful_o in_o obedience_n to_o man_n perform_v our_o ministerial_a act_n in_o prayer_n by_o the_o prescribe_a form_n of_o other_o if_o the_o superior_a command_v we_o may_v lawful_o also_o use_v nothing_o else_o but_o those_o form_n in_o our_o family_n and_o closert_n nay_o we_o must_v use_v no_o other_o in_o case_n of_o such_o a_o command_n so_o as_o we_o can_v do_v it_o without_o implicit_o say_v if_o the_o magistrate_n command_v we_o to_o use_v no_o other_o prayer_n while_o we_o live_v but_o the_o public_a prescribe_a form_n either_o in_o public_a or_o in_o private_a either_o before_o or_o after_o sermon_n either_o in_o our_o house_n or_o closert_n we_o do_v judge_v that_o it_o be_v sinful_a for_o we_o to_o use_v any_o other_o though_o by_o this_o mean_v the_o gift_n of_o prayer_n in_o all_o the_o minister_n of_o christ_n shall_v plain_o be_v suppress_v and_o make_v of_o no_o use_n §_o 5_o we_o can_v by_o no_o mean_n be_v satisfy_v with_o what_o we_o hear_v some_o say_v &_o think_v it_o a_o sufficient_a answer_n viz._n that_o though_o man_n may_v impose_v in_o part_n yet_o he_o may_v not_o impose_v upon_o the_o whole_a use_n of_o any_o ministerial_a gift_n such_o a_o command_n they_o say_v ought_v not_o to_o be_v obey_v this_o appear_v worse_a than_o a_o figleaf_n to_o our_o conscience_n for_o 1_o who_o shall_v determine_v what_o be_v the_o quota_fw-la pars_fw-la how_o far_o he_o may_v impose_v or_o not_o impose_v 2_o by_o what_o rule_n shall_v that_o limitation_n be_v make_v the_o word_n of_o god_n direct_v he_o no_o more_o to_o impose_v upon_o a_o part_n then_o upon_o the_o whole_a let_v we_o but_o understand_v by_o what_o rule_n of_o scripture_n or_o reason_n he_o shall_v limit_v we_o to_o pray_v by_o form_n in_o the_o desk_n and_o not_o in_o the_o pulpit_n though_o he_o do_v go_v so_o far_o he_o leave_v room_n for_o the_o use_n of_o gift_n in_o family_n nay_o why_o may_v he_o not_o command_v the_o like_a in_o family_n he_o leave_v room_n yet_o for_o the_o use_n of_o gift_n in_o the_o closet_n we_o know_v when_o he_o go_v to_o visit_v the_o sick_a he_o must_v keep_v to_o they_o we_o must_v wait_v to_o hear_v what_o other_o answer_v our_o brethren_n shall_v make_v to_o this_o argument_n we_o can_v see_v no_o evasion_n from_o it_o chap._n vi_o the_o five_o argument_n state_v from_o the_o equal_a lawfulness_n of_o obey_v a_o command_n require_v minister_n ordinary_o to_o preach_v sermon_n compose_v by_o other_o the_o unlawfulness_n of_o obey_v such_o a_o command_n prove_v the_o proposition_n argue_v betwixt_o command_n for_o form_n of_o prayer_n and_o form_n of_o sermon_n the_o vanity_n of_o ireneus_fw-la freeman_n discourse_v in_o pretend_v to_o show_v a_o different_a reason_n because_o in_o prayer_n the_o minister_n speak_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o people_n and_o because_o all_o point_n to_o be_v preach_v on_o can_v be_v comprehend_v in_o form_n §_o 1_o we_o proceed_v to_o a_o five_o argument_n to_o agree_v a_o principle_n which_o agree_v will_v allow_v man_n also_o a_o power_n when_o he_o please_v to_o suppress_v all_o ministerial_a gift_n in_o preach_v be_v sinful_a but_o to_o agree_v it_o lawful_a for_o minister_n to_o obey_v man_n in_o perform_v their_o public_a ministerial_a act_n in_o solemn_a prayer_n by_o the_o prescribe_a form_n of_o other_o be_v to_o agree_v a_o principle_n which_o once_o agree_v will_v allow_v man_n a_o power_n when_o he_o please_v to_o suppress_v all_o ministerial_a gift_n in_o preach_v ergo._fw-la we_o do_v know_v that_o some_o of_o our_o brethren_n here_o will_v deny_v we_o the_o major_n and_o allow_v man_n a_o power_n to_o suppress_v all_o preach_n and_o it_o have_v be_v whisper_v in_o some_o both_o pamphlet_n and_o pulpit_n that_o preach_v in_o a_o constitute_v church_n be_v needless_a and_o serve_v only_o to_o breed_v dispute_n and_o schism_n it_o be_v indeed_o necessary_a at_o the_o first_o for_o the_o first_o plantation_n of_o the_o gospel_n when_o man_n be_v pagan_n but_o now_o they_o be_v convert_v it_o be_v not_o necessary_a as_o if_o there_o be_v not_o a_o conversion_n from_o sin_n to_o god_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n as_o well_o as_o from_o paganism_n to_o a_o christian_a profession_n if_o some_o of_o these_o man_n have_v not_o plough_v with_o a_o popish_a ass_n and_o a_o socinian_n heifer_n they_o have_v never_o find_v out_o this_o riddle_n dr._n fuller_n in_o his_o church_n history_n p._n 262._o tell_v we_o that_o it_o be_v the_o