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hoc_fw-la be_v exclusive_a to_o the_o quality_n then_o accompany_v it_o not_o to_o the_o substance_n daille_n in_o his_o second_o reply_n to_o chaumont_n p._n 45._o say_v c'est_fw-fr nous_fw-fr tenir_fw-fr pour_fw-fr des_fw-fr enfans_fw-fr que_fw-fr de_fw-fr nous_fw-fr vouloir_fw-fr payer_n de_fw-fr tell_v desfaits_n but_o especial_o such_o interpretation_n seem_v more_o unreasonable_a from_o any_o of_o the_o second_o opinion_n who_o hold_v the_o substantial_a body_n of_o our_o saviour_n not_o altogether_o absent_a in_o the_o eucharist_n but_o most_o certain_o present_v though_o by_o a_o miraculous_a and_o ineffable_a manner_n to_o the_o worthy_a receiver_n and_o therefore_o hold_v also_o a_o possibility_n of_o its_o be_v present_a with_o the_o symbol_n and_o yet_o will_v force_v these_o plain_a expression_n of_o the_o father_n that_o de_fw-fr facto_fw-la it_o be_v so_o to_o another_o sense_n but_o of_o whatever_o construction_n these_o speech_n may_v be_v think_v capable_a i_o think_v the_o miraculousness_n of_o the_o change_n of_o the_o element_n allege_v by_o they_o and_o the_o adoration_n of_o christ_n as_o be_v with_o the_o sign_n before_o communicate_v practise_v of_o which_o more_o by_o and_o by_o will_v put_v the_o meaning_n of_o those_o phrase_n of_o the_o ancient_n out_o of_o doubt_n in_o answer_n to_o what_o be_v say_v from_o β_n mean_v of_o those_o phrase_n of_o the_o ancient_n to_o δ_n as_o a_o necessary_a reason_n of_o such_o interpretation_n i_o must_v entreat_v you_o to_o read_v over_o again_o what_o i_o have_v write_v in_o the_o second_o observation_n p._n 6_o 7_o 8_o etc._n etc._n where_o i_o have_v show_v what_o little_a reason_n those_o of_o the_o second_o opinion_n who_o hold_v a_o real_a presence_n have_v to_o move_v such_o a_o objection_n p._n 8._o but_o second_o i_o think_v there_o it_o be_v sufficient_o clear_v also_o that_o the_o expression_n of_o the_o symbol_n be_v a_o sign_n image_n type_n figure_n etc._n etc._n of_o the_o body_n as_o 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one_o phrase_n namely_o that_o of_o mutation_n which_o mr._n blondel_n confess_v p._n 155_o in_o appearance_n plus_fw-la favourable_a a_o l'opinion_n de_fw-fr rome_n to_o accord_v it_o with_o the_o other_o namely_o that_o of_o type_n and_o figure_n etc._n etc._n be_v take_v away_o for_o to_o be_v figure_n or_o sign_n in_o respect_n of_o what_o remain_v unchanged_a whether_o it_o be_v the_o substance_n of_o the_o element_n or_o only_o their_o property_n or_o species_n well_o consist_v with_o a_o true_a change_n of_o the_o rest_n into_o christ_n body_n if_o the_o species_n only_o remain_v or_o with_o a_o miraculous_a change_n of_o christ_n body_n to_o be_v join_v with_o or_o contain_v in_o the_o element_n if_o the_o substance_n of_o they_o still_o remain_v but_o such_o a_o miraculous_a change_n into_o christ_n body_n no_o way_n consist_v with_o the_o element_n be_v only_o a_o sacrament_n or_o sign_n thereof_o without_o any_o real_a presence_n with_o they_o of_o that_o body_n into_o which_o they_o be_v say_v by_o omnipotency_n to_o be_v change_v for_o now_o where_o be_v there_o any_o such_o miracle_n show_v about_o the_o symbol_n where_o any_o mistake_n or_o misinformation_n of_o the_o sense_n behold_v they_o and_o if_o any_o contend_v that_o they_o be_v call_v figure_n etc._n etc._n in_o some_o text_n of_o the_o father_n with_o exclusion_n to_o the_o presence_n of_o christ_n body_n resp_n it_o be_v with_o exclusion_n not_o to_o any_o real_a presence_n of_o this_o body_n as_o the_o second_o opinion_n will_v grant_v who_o affirm_v it_o real_o present_a to_o the_o worthy_a receiver_n nor_o to_o any_o real_a presence_n with_o the_o symbol_n but_o only_o to_o some_o manner_n of_o the_o presence_n thereof_o namely_o as_o it_o be_v when_o crucify_a that_o this_o answer_n may_v seem_v the_o more_o warrantable_a i_o refer_v you_o to_o dr._n taylor_n p._n 20._o who_o there_o use_v it_o in_o another_o matter_n this_o of_o the_o father_n language_n but_o the_o next_o age_n 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one_o etc._n etc._n mr._n hooker_n say_v that_o beside_o partake_v of_o the_o grace_n of_o that_o body_n and_o blood_n &c_n &c_n the_o holy_a mystery_n impart_v unto_o we_o even_o in_o true_a and_o real_a though_o mystical_a manner_n the_o very_a person_n of_o our_o lord_n whole_a perfect_a and_o entire_a his_o body_n and_o blood_n be_v in_o that_o very_a subject_n whereunto_o they_o give_v life_n not_o only_o by_o effect_n or_o operation_n even_o as_o the_o influence_n of_o the_o heaven_n be_v in_o plant_n &c_n &c_n but_o also_o by_o a_o far_o more_o divine_a and_o mystical_a kind_n of_o union_n etc._n etc._n now_o the_o inference_n the_o oxford_n discourse_v make_v be_v that_o mr._n hooker_n believe_v by_o real_a presence_n more_o than_o a_o presence_n of_o grace_n only_o even_o a_o substantial_a presence_n for_o a_o presence_n of_o christ_n person_n whole_a perfect_a and_o entire_a with_o either_o the_o worthy_a receiver_n or_o the_o element_n too_o can_v possible_o be_v resolve_v 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this_o substance_n be_v present_a he_o wave_n define_v again_o unless_o that_o bishop_n believe_v a_o substantial_a presence_n he_o believe_v one_o by_o so_o much_o less_o true_a than_o we_o as_o the_o substance_n or_o person_n of_o a_o thing_n be_v near_a to_o it_o or_o a_o more_o proper_a predicate_v of_o it_o than_o its_o quality_n and_o effect_n be_v three_o unless_o this_o prelate_n make_v the_o eucharistical_a presence_n no_o more_o real_a than_o the_o baptismal_a which_o neither_o he_o nor_o any_o father_n ever_o do_v the_o allusion_n to_o baptism_n be_v short_a of_o the_o minister_n purpose_n last_o the_o bishop_n saying_n christ_n body_n as_o glorify_v be_v not_o present_a in_o the_o eucharist_n do_v not_o in_o the_o least_o oppose_v a_o substantial_a presence_n who_o that_o believe_v a_o substantial_a presence_n think_v christ_n to_o be_v in_o the_o eucharist_n as_o in_o his_o glory_n this_o however_o they_o all_o say_v that_o the_o very_a same_o substance_n which_o be_v 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archbishop_n laud'_v testimony_n be_v reject_v by_o a_o flat_a denial_n of_o what_o that_o great_a man_n have_v if_o not_o in_o terminis_fw-la in_o effect_n say_v for_o to_o quote_v with_o approbation_n be_v as_o much_o as_o to_o say_v do_v he_o not_o cite_v calvin_n that_o christ_n do_v not_o offer_v we_o only_o the_o benefit_n of_o his_o death_n and_o resurrection_n but_o the_o body_n itself_o in_o which_o he_o suffer_v and_o rise_v be_v not_o bishop_n ridly_n also_o produce_v by_o he_o say_v that_o in_o the_o sacrament_n be_v the_o very_a true_a and_o natural_a body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n even_o that_o which_o be_v bear_v of_o the_o virgin_n mary_n which_o ascend_v into_o heaven_n which_o sit_v at_o the_o right_a hand_n of_o god_n the_o father_n &_o c._n ibid._n l._n 30._o the_o same_o must_v be_v say_v of_o bishop_n hall_n etc._n etc._n the_o quotation_n out_o of_o bishop_n hall_n bishop_n montague_n and_o bishop_n bilson_n be_v plain_a for_o a_o substantial_a presence_n and_o 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i_o ought_v not_o