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A66448 George Fox digg'd out of his burrowes, or, An offer of disputation on fourteen proposals made this last summer 1672 (so cal'd) unto G. Fox, then present on Rhode-Island in New England by R.W. : as also how (G. Fox slily departing) the disputation went on being managed three dayes at Newport on Rhode Island, and one day at Providence between John Stubs, John Burnet, and William Edmondson on the one part, and R.W. on the other : in which many quotations out of G. Fox and Edward Burrowes book ... are alleadged : with an appendix of some scores of G.F. his simple lame answers to his opposites in that book quoted and replyed to / by R.W. Williams, Roger, 1604?-1683. 1676 (1676) Wing W2764; ESTC R26378 307,504 516

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against a Blasphemer of your gods and godesses I believe that every Hair of mine head and every Minute of my Life is in the mercifull hand of the Father of Spirits I doe not simply and blasphemously think as G. F. that my Soul is a piece or part of God nor can I as the unbelieving Quakers slight the Rising of my body Steven fell asleep and so among Stones or whatever his holy Wisdom pleaseth I humbly hope shall I and rise again in the Morning R. W. Prouidence July 30. 1672. so called HItherto gentle Reader have been the Skirmishings of my Forlorn-Hope I hasten now to the relation of the main Battle for after this my third Letter and Answer I heard no more of that foul and slanderous spirit I should rejoice to be instrumentall to his casting out of my ancient friend I T. however he pluckt in his horns as G Fox himself did and I have yet heard no further Within some few dayes after that our Deputy Governour had 23 delivered my Paper to them the strange Quakers as was agreed with G. Fox came to Providence Iohn Stubs Iohn Burnet and others and came to my house six or seven together their Salutations were like the meetings of their dumb spirit in silence I bid them welcome .c. Iohn Stubs began and said they had received a Paper from me and they came to me to tell me that they accepted my Offer and that they had appointed according to the liberty given them by my self in my Paper the 9th of the present August to be the day at Newport I told them they were welcome and the more welcome because they brought me tidings of their Resolution for I longed for Opportunityes of such Exercises to which I thought the most High invited us by our precious Libertyes .c. I added that my Paper was in the first place directed to G. Fox but they suddenly catcht at my word and Iohn Burnet told me that G. Fox was departed before my Letters were opened and that G. Fox never saw my Paper and probably as afterward in the dispute he spake honestlie not knowing the Mistery Iohn Stubs added that my Paper gave liberty to G. Fox or his friends I sai● therefore I would not fail if God pleased to meet them at the place and by nine in the morning on the day they had appointed They departed after drink offered and accepted by some but the next morning being the first of the Week I sent them word in writing that diverse of our Neighbours were grieved that the Conference should be carried away from Providence to Newport wholly as some of them had also spoken I told them that the accepting of my Proffer necessarily included the Conference about the latter seven at Providence I told them their Consciences and Credits lay on it and therefore desired them to six on a day for the dispute of the latter seven at Providence before their departure hence This Paper was delivered to one of their Company in the room where they were together but whither on purpose or as t is possible by mistake they say the Paper was lost so receiving no Answer from them I late in the evening sent them another writing signifiing that I could not hold my self ingaged to meet them at Newport about the first seven without their promise of discussing the latter seven at Providence Then they wrote to me that I had seemed willing and that they had given notice and the Countrey would come in therefore they challenged me to appear and prove my malicious 24 and bitter charges against them and withall promised that upon the finishing of the first seven at Newport some of them would give me a meeting a Providence .c. Upon the receipt of this I sent them a third writing signifiing that I rested in their Promise and therefore if God pleased I would not fail to be with them at the time and place appointed And God graciously assisted me in rowing all day with my old bones so that I got to Newport toward the Midnight before the morning appointed Then I sent them a fourth Paper with a Copie of my first that miscaried as they said and signified to them that it would be convenient to agree about some Order of Transition or passing from one position to another as also since they were many and I but One I presumed their Reason told them that I expected but One at once and that if another desired to speak the first should hold his peace as also I signified that some were scrupulous of going into the Quakers Meeting-house and therfore I desired some thoughts about it they thought it convenient to send H. Bull to request me to goe to his house to them I went they urged the Capaciousness and Conveniency of their house and I told such as scrupled that it was one thing to goe into a Iewish Synagogue or a Popish Chappell to worship or countenance their Worships another thing to Profess and Contest against them in which respect Paul disputed many dayes in the Iewes Synagogues against them and I could freelie goe into the Popes Chappel to dispute against the Pope and his Worship I knew our aged Governour Mr. Nich. Easton other Magistrates of their judgment would be there so the Civill Peace maintained I had a strange assurance given in to my spirit from God in answer to my poor requests .c. viz that by Moderation and Patience I should conquer their Immoderations and impatiencies I therefore thought it in vain to spend time about a Moderatour T is true they gave me no Answer either by Speech or writing concerning their coming on me one at once but to their seeming great advantage they constantly fell on me all at once and one of them William Edmundson with grievous Language and insulting When I came into the place aforesaid I found three able and noted preachers amongst them viz Iohn Stubs Iohn Burnet William Edmunson sitting together on an high Bench with some of the Magistrates of their Judgment with them I had heard 25 that Iohn Stubs was learned in the Hebrew and the Greek and I found him so as for Iohn Burnet I found him to be of a moderate Spirit and a very able Speaker The third W. Edmundson was newly come as was said from Virginia and he proved the Chief Speaker a man not so able nor so moderate as the other two For the two first would speak Argument and discuss and produce Scripture but William Edmundson was very ignorant in the Scripture or any other Learning He had been a souldier in the late warres a stout portly man of a great voice and fit to make a Bragadocia as he did and a constant exercise meerly of my Patience he would often Vapour and preach long and when I had patiently waited till the Gust was over and began to speak then would he stop my mouth with a
humble Soul may see how this subtle Traytor under the golden name of Christ and Christ within in the heart he stabs at the heart of the true Lord Iesus who suffered for poor Mankind in mans own nature at Ierusalem 2. I observe his virulent and venemous Mind and Pen stabbing damning and reprobating all that truly believe in the true Lord Iesus whome he confesseth to have been a real man dying at Ierusalem c. except they can believe that he is now no where to be found but in every mans heart that cometh into the world that is no where 53 In Page 246. He brings in Christopher Wade saying It is whimfical to say Christ God and Man Flesh and Spirit is in them He answers Contrary to the Apostles Doctrine who said they were of his flesh and of his bone and Christ in you and he would walk in them and he that hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his and they are of his slesh and of his bone and Christ in you the hope of Glory In the same Page he brings in the same Author saying Flesh and bone cannot be a measure in one and a measure in an other He Answers wheras the Apostle saith we are of his Flesh and of his Bone here thou art contrary to the Apostle and that was more then one that had the Flesh of Christ and his Bone and his Spirit In Page 248. He brings in the same Author saying It is a false thing to say Christ Person is in man He Answers which is as much as to say none are of his Flesh nor of his Bone nor eat nor had not his Substance And Page 249 The Saints bodyes are not Christs body He Answers How are they Christs How dwels he in them and how are they of his Flesh and of his Bone then and how bruitish are you b●come in Knowledge hath he not bought them with a price and are they not his And in the same Page he brings in the same Author saying that neither Gods Essence nor Heaven nor Christs Person was in Peters holy body He answers but the Apostle said God will dwell with you and walk in you and again our conversation is in Heaven And once more in the same page There is not whole Christ God and man in men Answ. Then how must men grow in the measure of the fullness of the stature of Christ and Christ and God will dwel in man and walk in man God that made all things and Christ by whome all things were made I Reply this Author Christopher Wade I know not many of his opposites living and dead whome he here vapours to answer in his Book I know were worthy of Christian esteem and honour for the grace and Knowledge of Christ Jesus in them and for other worthy respects and whither this Opposite or any other whome he pretends to puffe at or Answer have thought this audacious Quacksalver worthy of any Reply I know not For certainly as he commonly concludes his Answer in his Book Thy many notorious Lyes and Slanders and Blasphemyes are not worth the mentioning however for the proof of my Position I am occasioned 54 to follow this Fox into his holes and Burrowes and to hale him out before God Angls and Men as a most greedy audacious Fox and Wolfe not sparing the Son and Lamb of God nor his precious Lambs and Sheep Now to all these last Quotations I say as the Opposites to Fox said that this Notion of Christ wit hin opposite to Christ without is a most Frantick and Whimsical Gross and Blockish Fancy For though he grant Christ Jesus to be a Man which died at Ierusalem yet making him only Spiritual and such a Christ as is whole Christ God and Man in every man in the World he makes Christ Jesus to be but Whimsical Christ and that Man that died at Ierusalem but a Babylonian Fancy In Pag. 221. He brings in the Author to a Book called Hosanna to the Son of David saying Christ is without the Saints in respect of his Bodily presence He Answereth They are of his Flesh and of his Bone and eat his Flesh and drink his Blood and how have the Saints his Mind and Spirit and he with them and they with him and sit with him in Heavenly places and he is the Head of the Church how then is he absent the poor Apostates from him who feel not Christ with you but he is with the Saints and they feel him I Reply I observe this Viperous Tongue saying to the unknown heavenly Author and Fox his other Oppositee Ye poor Apostates c. what is it but a heighth of Devilish Pride going before destruction and condemnation this proud swelling Bladder puft up with a Timpany of Wind and Vanity what a huge swelling shew he makes what a breadth of confident boldness and bruitish impudencie he carries before him what a gross Frantick Papist is he become that cannot will not distinguish between Christs Spiritual presence and his bodily that cannot will not consider the difference between Spirits and Bodies a Spirit that hath no Flesh nor Bones and a Body which hath both as Christ his Body had that cannot will not distinguish between their sinful Flesh and Bones and the sinless Flesh and Bones of that Man Christ Jesus that cannot will not distinguish between God manifested in the Flesh and Bones of that Man Christ Jesus and manifested in the Flesh and Bones of Believers in him O most Holy and Righteous are thy Judgements O thou most High Judge of the World who art a devouring fire and Justice it self who thus castest down the Proud and Self-conceited into the Dungeon of such Black and Hellish Ignorance 55 Pag. 217 Out of a Book mentioning the Quakers Cause saying To say Christ within is never to mention Christ without He Answers There is none knows Christ within but he knows him without the same yesterday and to day and for ever And there is none knows him but they know him within revealed of the Father which is beyond Flesh and Blood I Observe This foolish Fox for all his hiding Craft is here found out He professeth against his Will and Heart a Christ that died at Ierusalem and therefore is he forced to name a Christ without but when the Hole and Burrough is Digged the Fox is found For Examine what is this Christ without is he that litteral real and material Person the Son of Mary as all professing Christs Name generally agree Is this he whom the Quakers acknowledge to have lived and died at Ierusalem and do they intend a Material Crosse a literal Death a literal and real Ierusalem some of them will say yes but therein give the lye to others of themselves and also to the rest of their own story in acknowledging no other Christ but such as is in every man such a Christ as really and bodily died at Ierusalem they
Times and persons But what is this to the Natural Death of all mankind 16 Heb. 9 I know the Foxians would turn this Scripture and that golden Chain Heb. 6. the first Christian Principles and the Eternal Judgement into Mysteries and that they now Judge the Secrets of Men Rom. 2. by Pauls Gospel therefore by looking on a man they can discern the inward parts and what each person is For the Lord is now come saith Enoch and Iude in ten thousands of his Saints and now is the Day appointed in which God judgeth the World by that man Christ Iesus which man they are of which the word of God hath approved in that they are raised from the Dead in Souls and Bodies to keep the Eternal Iudgement This Mystery many of their young Scholars and many that are truely fearing God amongst them will not believe But they spare not to owne their high Court of Iustice when they were put to it by Speech and writing and were it not for some obstacles especially two this were a fine Colour for their Courts like a Company of drunken Sots that kept a Court in Hartford-Shire and feigned themselves Judges and Justices and Officers had almost brought themselves all to the Gallows c. by hanging up one man until he began to look black and some of them began to fear their own Necks and to repent of their rash madness The first Obstacle against this their pretended high Court of Justice is their own Confession viz. Christ Iesus was real a Man as any of us and so continues except they can give an account of what is become of him which at Newport they could not do The second is their own Spirit and Practises which I have proved to be so far from Iude and Enochs 10000 Saints that their Pride and Scornfulness their Rash Revilings and Railings their Rash Cursings and Judgings their Superstitious and New Inventions their Blasphemies and Hypocrisies their Inhumanities and Impudencies such as render them so far from being the high Saints and Judges of the World that they fall under the Judgement of all sober end modest persons The 10. Iustance is in pag. 38. where he brings in Tho. Collier saying All that hath been are or shall be Converted since the Gospel Ministration are Converted by the Apostles words He Answers So he hath thrown out the Spirit which doth regenerate and Christ the way to the Father the Word that Sanctifi 17 eth and Christ the power of God to Salvation who said that they would not come to him that they might be converted so if they get all the Apostles Words and come not to Christ they are not Converted and none are Converted by the Apostles Words but who comes to the Life that the Words come from I reply and ask G. Fox what colour of Truth or Modesty is in his Inference viz. That if God please to appoint the Words his first Apostles used to be still the means of Conversion to he end of the World that then he hath thrown out himself c. For 1. Is not this Gods Covenant with Christ and all Christians that his Word and Spirit should be in their Mou●hs to all Generations wo be then to these wild frantick Inserences which disjoyn and separate what the most powerful most wise and holy hath joyned together 2. For may there not be as before many Agents Imployed by one glorious Efficient as in Moses building the Tabernacle Solomon the Temple Kings in their Royal Navies and Armies Fights and Battels is Moses here thrown out Solomon thrown out and Kings thrown out c when Abraham sent his Servants or Kings their Embassadours to Espouse Brides to their Sons and Heirs must Abraham and all wise Princes be thrown out c. Doth not rather this mad Soul throw out Moses and Solomon and Abraham and all Kings and great Efficients or first Causes yea and his own Brains in a mad proud Frolick all overboard together 3. For doth not Paul tell the Corinthians that they were Gods Husbandry and Gods Buildings inferring that under God not throwing him out he was a prime Husbandman yea as himself saith further a Master Builder yea doth not Paul tell the same Corinthians that they were the Messengers were co workers or Labourers together with God Hence Paul Preaching the Lord opened the Heart of Lydia and Philip Preaching the Lord opened the heart of the Eunuch and Panl so speaking Joh 14. and Barrabas that a great Multitude both of Iews and Greeks believed 4. It is true that without God and Christ Pauls Planting and Apollos Watering is nothing who denies this but therefore shall not Paul Plant and Apollo Water though much in vain as it was with the Lord Jesus his own heavenly Preaching and amazing Miracles 18 5. Do these Foxians themselves throw out God and Christ when as they say they use the Apostles words to gather Stones and build up the Church of God do they not say as much for their new fresh Foxian as ever was spoken of the Apostles or any pretending to succeed them I could give many Instances 6. There have been many Conversions to the Christian Name in these parts of the World called Christendome These the Papists brag to have effected in all the four parts of the World both in the East and West-Indies Asia and America as also in Africa and especially in Europe where thei● Man of sin chiefly resideth these Conversions have been wrought sometimes in parts and by degrees and sometimes of the whole Nations and this sometimes by the Sword sometimes by the Marriages of Princes all which are easily effected because as in the Shechemites and Samaritains case whose Peoples Nations Tongues and Multitudes will easily turn to the Beast with seven Heads and ten Horns and that very formidable Beast also for Fear and Gain and Hope c. will easily suffer the Whore of Rome to ride him 7. From these Peoples Tongues and Nations c. it hath pleased the most Holy and only Wise to gather out a Peaple to Himself by his Heavenly Witnesses the Waldenses in France the Wickclevists in England the Hussites in Bohemia the Lutherans in Germany the Calvanists in France c. out of the bloody Romish Whores Dominions 144000. Virgin Protestants thirsting after the Blood of Christ Jesus only for Salvation 8. The Father of Spirits hath stirred up some Witnesses in all Protestant Nations to preach against a Formal National or Parochial Conversion to witness against the Formality and Prophaness of the Common Protestants all one in Life and sometimes worse then the Papists and to bring thousands and ten thousands even the one hundred forty four thousand Virgins to endeavour after purity of heart and Life purity of Doctrine purity of worship purity of Churches c. These the Jesuits call Puritans and Confess that they only among the Protestants as themselves among the Papists are