Selected quad for the lemma: judgement_n
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An argument delivered by Patrick Darcy, esquire by the expresse order of the House of Commons in the Parliament of Ireland, 9 iunii, 1641.
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Darcy, Patrick, 1598-1668.
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Wing D246; ESTC R17661
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mean_n and_o mediocrity_n which_o regulate_v the_o power_n of_o that_o great_a court_n in_o former_a time_n have_v not_o be_v of_o late_o convert_v and_o strain_v unto_o that_o excess_n we_o see_v these_o question_n have_v never_o be_v stir_v but_o many_o thing_n be_v extend_v to_o their_o uttermost_a sphere_n or_o i_o fear_v beyond_o the_o same_o enforce_v i_o although_o unwilling_o and_o slow_o to_o look_v upon_o our_o law_n and_o just_a right_n the_o answer_n to_o the_o sixteen_o viz._n whether_o juror_n give_v their_o verdict_n according_a to_o their_o conscience_n may_v be_v punish_v in_o the_o castle-chamber_n by_o fine_n excessive_a mutillation_n of_o member_n etc._n etc._n i_o find_v in_o my_o lord_n barcklaye_v case_n placit._n com._n 231._o from_o the_o beginning_n the_o usual_a trial_n at_o common-law_n be_v divide_v between_o the_o judge_n and_o the_o juror_n matter_n of_o fact_n be_v and_o be_v tryable_a by_o the_o juror_n and_o matter_n in_o law_n by_o the_o judge_n the_o antiquity_n of_o this_o trial_n appear_v glan_n fol._n 100_o b._n in_o henr._n the_o second_o time_n bracton_n 174._o briton_n fol._n 130._o a._n fortescue_n de_fw-la laudibus_fw-la legum_fw-la angliae_fw-la fol_n 54._o and_o 55._o so_o much_o be_v clear_v they_o be_v jurati_fw-la ad_fw-la dicendum_fw-la veritatem_fw-la be_v judge_n of_o the_o fact_n co._n 9_o 13._o a._n dowmans_n case_n and_o 25._o etc._n etc._n strata_n marcellas_fw-la case_n and_o infinite_a other_o authority_n they_o be_v so_o far_o judge_n of_o the_o fact_n that_o although_o the_o part_n be_v estop_v to_o aver_v the_o truth_n yet_o these_o judge_n of_o the_o fact_n shall_v not_o be_v so_o estop_v because_o they_o be_v upon_o their_o oath_n co._n 2._o 4._o b._n goddard_n case_n co._n 4._o 53._o a._o raw-hin_n case_n 1._o henr._n 4._o 6._o a._n etc._n etc._n they_o be_v so_o far_o judge_n of_o the_o fact_n that_o they_o be_v not_o to_o leave_v any_o part_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o evidence_n to_o the_o court_n co._n 1._o 56._o b._n chancellor_n of_o oxford_n case_n nay_o they_o may_v find_v release_v and_o other_o thing_n of_o their_o knowledge_n not_o give_v in_o evidence_n 8._o ass_n plac_fw-la 3._o co._n 10._o 95._o b._n doctor_n leyfields_n case_n what_o be_v do_v by_o judge_n shall_v not_o be_v try_v by_o juror_n co_n 9_o strata_n marcellas_fw-la case_n 30._o ergo_fw-la è_fw-la conuerso_fw-la but_o if_o any_o doubt_n in_o law_n arise_v upon_o the_o evidence_n there_o be_v a_o proper_a remedy_n by_o bill_n of_o exception_n by_o the_o statute_n of_o vv._n 2._o cap._n 30._o which_o co._n 9_o dowmans_n case_n fol._n 13._o a._o say_v to_o be_v in_o affirmance_n of_o the_o ancient_a common-law_n as_o to_o this_o point_n of_o law_n the_o judge_n of_o the_o law_n be_v judge_n of_o the_o validity_n of_o the_o evidence_n but_o under_o favour_n not_o of_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o fact_n as_o it_o be_v set_v forth_o in_o the_o answer_n if_o the_o judge_n of_o the_o law_n do_v err_v in_o matter_n of_o law_n the_o party_n grieve_v have_v his_o remedy_n by_o writ_n of_o error_n but_o he_o be_v not_o punishable_a if_o practice_n or_o misdemeanour_n do_v not_o appear_v 2._o rich._n 3._o fol_n 9_o 10._o fitz_n natur._n br_fw-la 243._o e._n 27._o ass_n 18._o 4._o henr._n 6._o and_o other_o book_n by_o the_o same_o reason_n the_o judge_n of_o the_o fact_n if_o they_o go_v according_a to_o their_o conscience_n as_o our_o question_n be_v state_v if_o the_o jury_n in_o this_o case_n go_v contrary_a to_o their_o evidence_n the_o common-law_n give_v a_o full_a remedy_n by_o attaint_n wherein_o the_o judgement_n be_v âost_n heavy_a if_o the_o juror_n have_v do_v amiss_o as_o i_o say_v before_o to_o another_o question_n yet_o in_o this_o action_n the_o law_n give_v credit_n to_o the_o verdict_n before_o it_o be_v falsify_v for_o if_o a_o judgement_n be_v give_v upon_o this_o verdict_n and_o after_o a_o attaint_n be_v bring_v no_o super_fw-la sedeas_fw-la can_v be_v in_o this_o writ_n to_o hinder_v the_o party_n who_o recover_v from_o his_o execution_n 5._o henr._n 7._o 22._o b._n 33._o henr._n 6._o 21._o otherwise_o in_o a_o writ_n of_o error_n your_o lordship_n therefore_o may_v see_v what_o faith_n be_v give_v to_o verdict_n at_o common-law_n i_o observe_v the_o notable_a case_n of_o 7._o henr._n 4_o 41_o b._n where_o gascoigne_n answer_v the_o king_n that_o will_v give_v judgement_n contrary_a to_o his_o private_a knowledge_n as_o for_o the_o next_o part_n of_o these_o two_o question_n it_o be_v the_o late_a height_n of_o punishment_n and_o the_o draw_n of_o more_o cause_n to_o that_o court_n then_o in_o former_a time_n move_v this_o debate_n out_o of_o the_o statute_n of_o 3_o henr._n 7._o cap._n 1._o concerning_o this_o court_n i_o make_v these_o observation_n first_o that_o the_o judge_n of_o that_o court_n according_a their_o discretion_n may_v examen_fw-la great_a offence_n statut._n second_o that_o they_o may_v punish_v according_a to_o the_o demerit_n of_o delinquent_n after_o the_o form_n of_o the_o statute_n thereof_o make_v three_o in_o like_o manner_n and_o form_n as_o they_o shall_v or_o aught_o to_o be_v punish_v if_o they_o be_v convict_v by_o the_o due_a order_n of_o the_o common-law_n for_o the_o first_o what_o discretion_n this_o be_v we_o find_v in_o our_o book_n co._n 5._o fol._n 100_o rook_n case_n discretion_n be_v to_o proceed_v within_o the_o bound_n of_o law_n and_o reason_n at_o common-law_n a_o man_n in_o a_o leete_n be_v fine_v but_o in_o ten_o groat_n for_o a_o light_a bloodshed_n in_o the_o castle-chamber_n a_o nobleman_n for_o a_o offer_n of_o a_o switch_n to_o a_o person_n inferior_a to_o he_o upon_o provocation_n perhaps_o give_v be_v fine_v in_o four_o thousand_o pound_n clanmoris_fw-la commit_v to_o long_a imprisonment_n and_o low_a acknowledgement_n be_v impose_v on_o he_o for_o the_o second_o and_o three_o observation_n if_o man_n of_o quality_n and_o rank_n be_v pillor_v paper_v stigmatise_v and_o fine_v to_o their_o destruction_n in_o case_n where_o if_o they_o have_v be_v convict_v by_o due_a order_n of_o law_n they_o can_v not_o be_v so_o punish_v by_o any_o law_n or_o statute_n i_o humble_o offer_v to_o your_o lordship_n sad_a and_o grave_a consideration_n and_o whether_o these_o course_n be_v warrant_v by_o the_o say_a statute_n of_o 3._o henr._n 7._o cap._n 1._o or_o by_o any_o other_o law_n or_o statute_n of_o force_n in_o this_o realm_n and_o if_o all_o juror_n be_v bring_v to_o the_o castle-chamber_n what_o shall_v become_v of_o that_o great_a and_o noble_a trial_n by_o which_o all_o the_o matter_n of_o our_o law_n regular_o be_v tryable_a and_o so_o i_o conclude_v that_o the_o answer_n to_o these_o two_o question_n be_v not_o satisfactory_a whether_o in_o the_o censure_n in_o the_o castle-chamber_n quest_n regard_v be_v to_o be_v have_v to_o the_o word_n of_o the_o great_a charter_n answ_n viz._n salvo_fw-la contenemento_fw-la etc._n etc._n i_o conceive_v that_o in_o the_o censure_n in_o the_o castle-chamber_n regard_n be_v to_o be_v have_v to_o the_o word_n of_o the_o great_a charter_n viz._n salvo_n contenemento_fw-la etc._o etc._o although_o in_o the_o great_a charter_n and_o in_o the_o statute_n of_o westminst_n 1._o cap._n 6._o amerciamentum_fw-la and_o misericordia_fw-la be_v express_v and_o not_o fine_n or_o redemptio_fw-la because_o a_o fine_a and_o a_o amerciament_n be_v in_o the_o old_a year_n book_n use_v promiscuous_o as_o synonimon_n for_o one_o and_o the_o same_o thing_n and_o therefore_o in_o 10._o edw._n 3._o fol._n 9_o and_o 10._o the_o juror_n of_o the_o abbot_n of_o ramseis_n leete_n be_v swear_v and_o refuse_v to_o present_v the_o article_n of_o the_o leete_n be_v amerce_v and_o there_o it_o be_v resolve_v because_o all_o do_v refuse_v to_o present_v all_o shall_v be_v amerce_v but_o when_o the_o same_o shall_v be_v impose_v or_o affeared_a shall_v be_v impose_v several_o upon_o each_o of_o they_o secundum_fw-la quantitatem_fw-la delicti_fw-la salvo_fw-la contenemento_fw-la suo_fw-la yet_o the_o sum_n there_o impose_v be_v revera_fw-la à _fw-la fine_fw-la and_o not_o a_o amerciament_n as_o a_o amerciament_n be_v now_o take_v and_o here_o with_o agree_v 4._o eliz._n dy._n 211._o b._n in_o these_o word_n if_o the_o juror_n of_o a_o leete_n refuse_v to_o present_v the_o article_n of_o the_o leete_n according_a to_o their_o oath_n the_o steward_n shall_v assess_v a_o fine_a upon_o every_o of_o they_o and_o godfries_n case_n 11._o rept_v rept_v fol._n 42._o b._n 43._o a._n second_o if_o by_o intendment_n of_o law_n as_o the_o law_n be_v conceive_v at_o the_o time_n of_o the_o make_n of_o the_o statute_n of_o magna_fw-la charta_fw-la and_o vvestm._n 1._o fine_n and_o amerciament_n have_v not_o be_v or_o take_v to_o be_v synonyma_fw-la the_o feazor_n of_o those_o act_n will_v
let_v we_o therefore_o examine_v the_o course_n allege_v here_o in_o both_o those_o point_n and_o if_o it_o be_v find_v to_o fail_v in_o either_o of_o they_o it_o be_v to_o be_v reject_v as_o to_o the_o first_o i_o can_v find_v or_o read_v any_o precedent_n of_o it_o until_o of_o late_a and_o the_o usage_n of_o it_o for_o a_o few_o year_n can_v make_v it_o to_o be_v cursus_fw-la curiae_fw-la which_o ought_v to_o be_v a_o custom_n use_v time_n beyond_o the_o memory_n of_o man_n as_o to_o the_o second_o it_o be_v confess_v by_o the_o judge_n that_o they_o know_v no_o law_n to_o warrant_v this_o course_n let_v we_o see_v then_o whether_o it_o be_v against_o law_n or_o stand_v with_o the_o law_n and_o i_o conceive_v it_o be_v against_o law_n for_o divers_a reason_n first_o by_o the_o common-law_n if_o a_o judgement_n be_v give_v against_o a_o man_n after_o a_o verdict_n of_o twelve_o man_n which_o be_v the_o chief_a and_o clear_a proof_n which_o the_o law_n look_v upon_o or_o upon_o a_o demurrer_n after_o solemn_a argument_n he_o shall_v in_o the_o one_o case_n have_v a_o attainte_fw-fr against_o the_o jury_n and_o in_o the_o other_o a_o writ_n of_o error_n to_o reverse_v the_o judgement_n but_o in_o this_o case_n by_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o justness_n of_o the_o sentence_n all_o the_o mean_n to_o reverse_v the_o sentence_n be_v take_v away_o and_o therefore_o contrary_a to_o law_n and_o reason_n whereas_o by_o the_o common-law_n fine_n ought_v to_o be_v moderate_a secundum_fw-la quantitatem_fw-la delicti_fw-la in_fw-la reformationem_fw-la et_fw-la non_fw-la in_fw-la destructionem_fw-la of_o late_a time_n the_o fine_n have_v be_v so_o high_a in_o destruction_n of_o the_o party_n in_o the_o castle-chamber_n as_o his_o whole_a family_n and_o himself_o if_o he_o do_v pay_v the_o fine_a shall_v be_v drive_v to_o beg_v and_o without_o performance_n of_o the_o sentence_n he_o can_v not_o be_v admit_v to_o reverse_v the_o sentence_n in_o respect_n of_o all_o which_o howbeit_o in_o his_o conscience_n he_o be_v not_o guilty_a yet_o to_o gain_v his_o liberty_n and_o save_v part_n of_o his_o estate_n he_o be_v necessitate_v to_o acknowledge_v the_o justness_n of_o the_o sentence_n so_o that_o the_o confession_n be_v extort_a from_o he_o and_o consequent_o be_v against_o law_n three_o reason_n if_o the_o fine_a be_v secundum_fw-la quantitatem_fw-la delicti_fw-la as_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v without_o danger_n of_o destruction_n the_o reducement_n of_o the_o fine_a have_v not_o be_v so_o necessary_a and_o therefore_o no_o just_a ground_n for_o this_o confession_n last_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o party_n after_o sentence_n do_v rather_o blemish_v the_o sentence_n then_o any_o way_n clear_v it_o for_o the_o confession_n come_v after_o the_o sentence_n which_o ought_v to_o be_v just_a in_o itself_o can_v add_v nothing_o to_o it_o but_o draw_v suspicion_n upon_o it_o and_o in_o that_o respect_n a_o confession_n be_v strain_v the_o rack_n use_v by_o the_o course_n of_o the_o civil_a law_n in_o criminal_a cause_n to_o clear_v the_o conscience_n of_o the_o judge_n to_o proceed_v to_o sentence_n be_v intolerable_a in_o our_o common-law_n and_o therefore_o this_o course_n be_v a_o innovation_n against_o law_n and_o without_o any_o reasonable_a ground_n the_o say_a judge_n ought_v in_o their_o say_a answer_n to_o declare_v so_o much_o to_o the_o end_n a_o course_n may_v be_v take_v for_o abolish_n the_o same_o this_o answer_n i_o will_v not_o now_o draw_v into_o question_n quest_n i_o can_v wish_v the_o rest_n be_v answer_v no_o worse_o answ_n what_o power_n have_v the_o baron_n of_o the_o court_n of_o exchequer_n to_o raise_v the_o respite_n of_o homage_n arbitrary_o quest_n etc._n etc._n answ_n unto_o this_o they_o answer_v that_o until_o the_o king_n tenant_n by_o knight_n service_n in_o capite_fw-la have_v do_v his_o homage_n the_o ancient_a course_n of_o the_o exchequer_n have_v be_v and_o still_o be_v to_o issue_v process_n to_o distrayne_v the_o tenant_n ad_fw-la faciendum_fw-la homagium_fw-la or_o ad_fw-la faciendum_fw-la finem_fw-la pro_fw-la homagio_fw-la suo_fw-la respectuando_fw-la upon_o which_o process_n the_o sheriff_n return_v issue_n and_o if_o the_o tenant_n do_v not_o appear_v and_o compound_v with_o the_o king_n to_o give_v a_o fine_a for_o respite_n of_o homage_n than_o the_o issue_n be_v forfeit_v to_o the_o king_n but_o if_o the_o king_n tenant_n will_v appear_v the_o court_n of_o the_o exchequer_n do_v agree_v with_o he_o to_o respite_v his_o homage_n for_o a_o small_a fine_a they_o say_v further_o 5._o that_o it_o rest_v in_o the_o discretion_n of_o the_o court_n by_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o common-law_n to_o lay_v down_o a_o fine_a for_o respite_n of_o homage_n good_a according_a to_o the_o yearly_a value_n of_o the_o say_a land_n which_o i_o conceive_v to_o be_v very_o unreasonable_a and_o inconvenient_a that_o it_o shall_v lie_v in_o the_o power_n of_o any_o to_o assess_v a_o fine_a for_o respite_n of_o homage_n such_o as_o to_o he_o shall_v be_v think_v meet_a in_o discretion_n for_o if_o so_o he_o may_v raise_v the_o fine_a to_o such_o a_o sum_n as_o may_v exceed_v the_o very_a value_n of_o the_o land_n neither_o have_v the_o same_o be_v the_o ancient_a course_n for_o it_o appear_v by_o several_a ancient_a record_n and_o by_o a_o order_n of_o the_o court_n of_o exchequer_n make_v termino_fw-la pascae_fw-la 1607._o that_o there_o shall_v be_v pay_v for_o respiting_v of_o homage_n for_o every_o township_n xx_o d._n irish_a and_o for_o every_o manor_n xxxx_n d._n irish_a and_o that_o such_o as_o hold_v several_a house_n acre_n or_o parcel_n of_o land_n which_o be_v not_o manor_n nor_o township_n shall_v pay_v for_o every_o hundred_o and_o twenty_o acre_n of_o land_n meadow_n and_o pasture_n or_o of_o any_o of_o they_o xx_o d._n irish_a and_o no_o more_o and_o according_a to_o that_o rate_n and_o proportion_n if_o a_o great_a or_o lesser_a number_n of_o acre_n and_o for_o every_o house_n without_o ground_n iiij_o d._n irish_a 8._o and_o of_o cottage_n or_o farm_n house_n which_o be_v upon_o the_o land_n no_o fine_a to_o be_v pay_v for_o they_o sole_o alone_a and_o i_o conceive_v where_o a_o man_n hold_v several_a parcel_n of_o land_n of_o the_o king_n by_o several_a homage_v that_o in_o such_o case_n he_o be_v to_o pay_v but_o for_o one_o respite_n of_o homage_n only_o and_o no_o more_o for_o that_o a_o man_n be_v to_o do_v homage_n but_o once_o and_o consequent_o to_o pay_v for_o one_o respite_n of_o homage_n only_o the_o late_a course_n in_o the_o exchequer_n here_o have_v be_v contrary_a whereas_o in_o their_o answer_n they_o go_v in_o the_o exchequer_n according_a to_o the_o statute_n of_o primo_fw-la iacobi_fw-la cap._n 26._o in_o england_n under_o their_o favour_n they_o go_v clear_a contrary_n for_o that_o statute_n be_v make_v in_o confirmation_n and_o pursuance_n of_o former_a order_n in_o the_o exchequer_n whereas_o the_o baron_n here_o go_v direct_o contrary_a to_o the_o ancient_a course_n and_o order_n of_o the_o exchequer_n in_o this_o kingdom_n more_o of_o this_o in_o my_o reason_n or_o ground_n for_o this_o question_n so_o i_o conclude_v their_o answer_n to_o this_o be_v short_a my_o lord_n quest_n the_o question_n contain_v two_o point_n first_o answ_n whether_o the_o subject_a of_o this_o kingdom_n be_v censurable_a for_o to_o repair_v into_o england_n to_o appeal_v to_o his_o majesty_n for_o redress_v of_o injury_n or_o for_o his_o lawful_a occasion_n second_o why_o what_o condition_n of_o person_n and_o by_o what_o law_n the_o first_o part_n of_o the_o judge_n their_o answer_n be_v positive_a and_o full_a viz._n they_o know_v no_o law_n or_o statute_n for_o such_o censure_n nor_o i_o neither_o and_o can_v wish_v they_o have_v stay_v there_o in_o the_o second_o part_n of_o their_o answer_n they_o come_v with_o a_o if_o viz._n unless_o they_o be_v prohibit_v by_o his_o majesty_n writ_n proclamation_n or_o command_v and_o make_v mention_n of_o the_o statute_n of_o 5._o rich._n 2._o cap._n 2._o in_o england_n and_o 25._o henr._n 6._o cap._n 2._o in_o ireland_n i_o will_v only_o speak_v to_o the_o second_o part_n of_o this_o answer_n my_o lord_n the_o house_n of_o commons_o in_o the_o discussion_n of_o this_o point_n take_v two_o thing_n into_o consideration_n first_o what_o the_o common-law_n be_v in_o such_o case_n second_o what_o alteration_n be_v make_v of_o the_o common-law_n by_o the_o statute_n of_o 5._o rich._n 2._o cap._n 2._o in_o england_n and_o 25._o henr._n 6._o cap._n 2._o in_o ireland_n as_o to_o the_o subject_n of_o ireland_n as_o for_o the_o first_o the_o register_n have_v a_o writ_n frame_v in_o the_o point_n viz._n the_o writ_n de_fw-la securitate_fw-la in_fw-la venienda_fw-la quod_fw-la se_fw-la non_fw-la divertat_fw-la ad_fw-la partes_fw-la extras_fw-la