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A86918 A vindication of the Treatise of monarchy, containing an answer to Dr Fernes reply; also, a more full discovery of three maine points; 1. The ordinance of God in supremacie. 2. The nature and kinds of limitation. 3. The causes and meanes of limitation in governments. Done by the authour of the former treatise. Hunton, Philip, 1604?-1682. 1644 (1644) Wing H3784; Thomason E39_12; ESTC R21631 66,271 81

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