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A38330 Some passages of the House of Lords in the winter sessions of Parliament in the year 92 England and Wales. Parliament. House of Lords. 1693 (1693) Wing E2847; ESTC R10050 24,111 18

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Lordships that there seemed great diligence in the Government to inlarge the Forfeitures as will appear in an instance I beg your Lordships leave to Mention There was one Ivy now Knight of the Shire for the County of Waterford This Gentleman upon his flight for England from the Irish Government had his Estate and Goods Seized and upon his return sound a Quantity of his Wool in King James's Stores in Waterford upon which he made application to the Government to have his Wool restored but could obtain nothing but Referrences from one set of Commissioners to another but at last had his final answer that he must go to the Exchequer and they told him that he must proceed by due Methods of Law which he did the Kings Council demurred and he obliged by the Court to joyn or answer I beg your Lordships pardon if I express it not according to the Rules of Law but so it was upon some nicety in the Law Judgement was given against him and he lost his Wool This was set forth in a Petition to the Parliament and put into my hands to move but there was in our Sessions no Room for Private Grievances our Publick were so many And therefore the Gentleman was only pittied among the Number of afflicted Protestants The Irish that came in upon the Kings first Proclamation were better used having the right ways to get their Goods which few of the English could do The next Inquiry May it please your Lordships that the Committe of Accounts made was relating to the Stores and in the Manage of them found Mr. Robinson to be principally concerned The Stores that were left by K. James were said to be great both of Provisions and Cloaths but of all there did appear nothing the noise indeed was great that Mr. Robinson had managed the Stores to the Advantage of some body to the Value of 80000 l. but so ingeniously it is managed that I presume nothing Material can be proved whilst the Manage of that Kingdom in these things are of a piece Mr. Robinson is besides his other Employments one of the Deputies to the Lord Coningsby in the Treasury and who ere has power in that influences most men of Imployment in that Kingdom One Artifice I was told of by a Commissioner of the forfeited Goods that was used in Cork which seemed designed to serve for a pretence in general for the imbezilments of the Stores and that was keeping Corn Oats I think it was 5 or 6 foot thick till it rotted when at the same time both Soldiers and inhabitants were in extremity this rotting of Corn is thought will be a general Article through the Kingdom it was said there was quantities of Beef Butter and other Provisions put for France and that a Ship of Wool taken out of the Stores of Waterford by Mr. Robinson under pretence of being used at the Siege of Cork was disposed by Mr. Robinson and sometime after a Ship was taken by o● Capt. Peder Commander of one of their Maj●sties Ships coming from B●est to Ireland Laden with French Goods the Captain brought her into Waterford and there received Orders from the Government to deliver her up to the Officers of the Custom House for tha● she belonged to Dublin the Captain refusing threatning Letters came to him and the● he said they had best be quiet for that he had taken such Letters of their settling a Correspondance in France as would do their Business The relation of the Ship I had from a Collonel that is at the Door ready to give you● Lordships a more full Account as he had it from the Captains own Mouth I shall now with your Lordships leave give the Remarks I made on the Manage of th● Treasury which was never before in the hands of the Chief Governour The former methods were that all Receipts and Payments were transacted by Exchequer Acquittances and they were entred in several Offices the last of which was the Pells where all was entred and every Munday morning the Book brought before the Chief Governour by which he knew what was in the Treasury this cannot now be practicable where most of the Receipts and Payments are by Paper assignments by which means there is no Ch●cque o● the Treasury nor indeed on the respective Collectors and Receivers the consequence of which is to be feared has and doth affect the ill payment of the Army and that ruines th● Country which is the reason of my laying it before your Lordships There was some motion made in the Parliament of Ireland of the hardships the Country lay under by Free-Quarters but it was unanimously agreed by the House that there was a necessity for the Army so to do and that the Country freely gave them the bread out of their Mouths and the Cloaths from their Backs to support the Army when they had no Pay But that which grieved the Subject was the irregular and unlimited way of taking their Corn and Cattel from them by which more was destroyed then eaten and that brought a Famine in the Country and the loss of thousands of people This was complained of to the Lords Justices and Offers made by the Country either to pay the Army or give them such quantities of Provisions as they should need and so keep the Country in a possibility of supplying both the Army and themselves But this was rejected which together with the belief of that there was enough if rightly applyed of Forfeitures and Stores to have maintained the Army without any burthen to the Country caused hard reflections on the L. Coningsby I speak this not to reflect on his Lordship for that I never had any concern with his Lordship but as my Estate lay under the common Calamity of his Government There was another Grievance much complained of and that was the giving Protections to Irish against just Debts owing to the English to such as were not under the Articles of Limerick when poor destroyed Protestants were left to the Irish Suits I must now beg leave to lay at your Lordships feet the present condition of that ever Loyal and obedient City the City of Dublin of which I have the Honour to be a Member this City has never till now been denyed their right of Choosing Magistrates which under the Cover of a Clause in the new Rules of Proving is become an imposition excluding any choice untill the Man put on them to be chosen this is the case of the pres●nt Mayor now in the second year of his Majoralty The City at first according to their ancient Custom chose another but were rejected I hope your Lordships will not take me to reflect on the Man when I say as he was the last of many in turn to be chose so he was the least in his fortune There being many of considerable Estates and known integrity and Loyalty to their Majesties over whose heads he came 〈◊〉 must further pray your Lordships leave to mind your Lordships