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A11882 A sermon against halting betweene two opinions preached at S. Martins in the fields, By Iohn Seller, Bacheler in Diuinitie Seller, John, 1592 or 3-1648. 1611 (1611) STC 22182; ESTC S113727 40,787 61

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Dauid there were manie true subiects of Dauid that went after Absolon to take his part in their simplicity 2. Sam 15.11 as the scripture recordeth knowing nothing whervnto the trecherous plottes of Absolon did tende So no doubt charitie moueth mee to thinke that there are manie in this Kingdome honest men blinded with some opinions of poperie as in the questions of the real presence or in the number of 7. Sacraments or in the doctrine of Auricular confession or some such schoole question not knowing or belieuing all pointes of poperie which indeed is the very mysterie of iniquitie Of such I say that in the simplicitie of their harts thinke of the Popes doctrine no otherwise then Dauids subiects did of the rebellion of Absolon I will not dispaire but verily hope that such may be saued notwithstāding their misperswasion in some points of religion which doe not destroy any article of faith and Christian beliefe But as for the rest of our wilfull recusant papists which both erre in the foundation hate the truth of the Gospell reuealed vnto them which hate instruction and stop their eares against the word we offer vnto them holding the infallibilitie of the Popes iudgemēt the vniuersalitie of his jurisdiction and power to dispose of the Kingdomes of the world which belieue free will to performe and to do the actions of vertue without assistance of speciall grace which holde and maintaine perfections of inherent righteousnesse satisfactions merites of condignitie propitiatorie sacrifice of the Masse which giue Gods honour to images maintaine iustification by works and such like of such I say I may without breach of charitie affirme that if they so liue and so die in the armes of the whore of Babylon they can neuer be saued Obiect But the Papists replie vpon vs and further obiect that if the case of recusant papists be such why then say they we must likewise condemne all our forefathers to the pit of hell who helde none other but the same opinions wee holde this day Solut Touching our forefathers we both speake and thinke of them as charitie leadeth vs to thinke we take not vpon vs to know either the faith or repentance of them that died before our time and therefore we commit their iudgement vnto God We say with the Apostle 2. Tim 2.19 The foundation of God standeth firme and sure hauing this seale The Lorde knoweth who are his and according to the scriptures thus wee belieue of them all that such as helde the onely foundation which is Christ Iesus in a true liuely faith were all saued although they built vpon this foundation chaffe straw or wood and doubt not therefore 1. Cor 3.15 but that manie thousands of our ancestours euen in those times of great blindenesse and corruption holding onely the same foundation Iesus Christ were saued and so died the seruants of God notwithstanding they were misled and carried away with sundrie errours and superstitions for want of due knowledge of the word of God which their pastors and leaders should haue instructed them withall But for a further answere to this obiection I say that the case of our recusant Papists liuing at this day and the case of our fore-fathers liuing in times of great corruption are not peers nor nothing like at all The disparison is this our fore-fathers liued in a time of great blindnes wherein there was a generall decay of learning wherin all good liberall Arts and learning were abolished The skie growing euen darke with the mistie fogges of ignorance when their pastours and leaders were not onely Sir Iohn lacke Latines but S. Iohn lacke honesties who could neither speake Latin nor reade English nor vnderstand the articles of our faith nor any part of the scriptures clowdes without raine lanthorns without light salt without sauour blinde guides dumbe dogges that as one saith seeme to haue their soules giuen them in steede of salt to keepe them from stinking and what maruell then if the people being ledde by such blinde guides became blinde themselues and fell into sundrie errours But as for our recusant papists they liue in the learnedst age that euer was since the time of the Apostles when as the word of God and knowledge of sauing truth was neuer so plentifull and flourishing as now it is Againe the errours of our fore-fathers proceeded of meere simplicitie and want of iudgement Lib. I. de bap cap. 18. Of whome I may say the same that S. Augustine saide of Cyprian and his colleagues erring in the doctrine of Rebaptization That if they had bene in his time when vpon exact and full discussion of things it was resolued otherwise they would haue bene of an other minde So verilie if our fore-fathers whose zeale was exceeding great and a religious care to serue God had liued in these latter times and had seene the true groundes of our religion they would most willingly haue embraced the same truth we professe this day many thousands of them in their life time desiring to haue seene heard those things which wee to our vnspeakable comfort haue both heard and seene And howsoeuer manie of our fore-fathers were in some points deceiued yet it is manifestly to be proued that the worthiest and best learned men in former times thought no otherwise then wee doe in all substantiall pointes of Christan beliefe complaining euen as we doe of the intolerable burdēs which the Popes laid on them in those dayes wishing the remouing of such things as wee haue remoued But as touching the errours of our obstinate and wilfull recusant Pap they proceed of meere obstinacie pertinaciously defending most dangerous errours Hee that is deceiued Cypri ad Iuba and erreth of simplicitie may be pardoned but after the truth is once reuealed who so neuerthelesse continueth in his former errours wittingly and willingly sinneth without pardon of ignominy as being ouer borne by presumption and wilfulnesse And this I take to be the very case of all our recusant Papists this day So great an oddes there is betweene simple errour and wilfull defence Verily for my part I am perswaded that there is neuer a sober and learned papist in this land that can denie if he will truly say and as he thinketh in his owne conscience but that we are come as neere as possible we could to the Church of the Apostles and Catholike Bishops which Church was sound and perfit and spotted with no kind of idolatrie and haue directed according to their customes and ordinances not onely the doctrine this day professed in the Church of England but also the sacraments and forme of common praiers and diuine seruice established here among vs the psalmes we sing are Dauids the bookes we reade are canonicall the prayers we make are consonant to the rule and proportion of faith and true godlinesse And so it appeareth that our whole leiturgie with great iudgment and reasonable moderation was purposely so framed out of the
liue that we may truly and iustly say applying the words of our Sauiour Christ to ourselues blessed are the eyes which haue seene those things which we haue seene there hauing beene many millions and thousands of our forefathers which detesting the Antichristian pride other loose behauiour of the Romane Clergie endeuouring to serue the Lord after the prescript of his owne word desired to haue seene but one of the daies which we haue seene and could not who although with Lot they vexed their righteous soules in the middes of a spirituall Sodome yet like Sea-fish which is alwaies most fresh in salt-water they kept themselues vnspotted of the world and would not spot their soules with such horrible cōtaminations wherwith the whole world almost was defiled in those times of great darknesse and superstition The conclusion is this that seeing ouer all the Christian world where the Gospell hath had free passage all those places wheresoeuer the sound thereof is heard are full of the knowledge of the Lord and that on the other side where poperie preuaileth there is nothing but ignorance and superstition the truth with tyrannie crueltie being kept vnder by reason of the Spanish inquisition that this is a verie strong motiue to perswade that the Gospell this day preached in the reformed Churches of Christendome is the infallible and vndoubted word of God Fourthlie it was euer reputed and accounted for a speciall fruite of the Gospel to teach people obedience to their Gouernours to vpholde the State and Maiestie of Kings and Princes into whose hands God hath committed the sword of publike authoritie Now our aduersaries cannot chuse but see and all the Christian world can witnesse with vs this day that in all these places where at this present through Gods goodnes and mercy the truth of the gospel is taught all such places are become more obedient to superior powers then euer they were before That there is greater maiestie to be found lesse arrogancie and tyrannie the Prince more honoured the Common-wealth and Church in far greater quiet then in former time of corruption when neither the Prince knewe what belonged to him nor the subiects knewe what properly belonged either to Caesar or vnto God And verilie one reason to perswade anie mans conscience that poperie is not of God may be this that whereas the doctrine of the Gospel is a doctrine of obedience which Christ both taught and acted his Apostles both by precept and practise confirmed whereas the whole current and streame of antiquitie runneth the same way that all manner of persons yea the BB. of Rome themselues for many hundred yeares together did acknowledge the Emperour for their Lord liege Lord and Maister the doctrine of the present Church of Rome perswadeth flatly to disobedience and plaine rebellion It teacheth that the people vpon the Popes warrant may lawfully beare armes against their soueraigne that by dispensation from the Pope they may lawfully renounce their allegiance yea further vpon the Popes iubet they may lay violent hands vpon him And so the Iesuites haue deliuered it for the resolute and vndoubted iudgement of the Church of Rome that it is a thing both lawfull and meritorious to kill and to murther Christian Princes professing a contrarie religion to the doctrine and faith of that Church poperie therfore that professeth not a lawfulnes onely but a merite in such desperate attempts contrarie to the manifest voyce of God Thou shalt not kill doth clearely conuince it selfe and shew it selfe to be a religion of the diuell and not of God Let this then suffice for a conclusion of my fourth motiue to shew that this is the alone propertie of the Gospel wheresoeuer true religion flourisheth to season the hearts both of young and old with true subiection and Christian obsequiousnesse to the higher and superiour powers Fiftly if long peace wealth and prosperitie to the outward blessings of God as vndoubtedly they be whereby he declareth his speciall fauour vnto that Prince and kingdome which feare him and worship him sincerely and with whom he is well pleased according to his word and promises in the scriptures that this must be an argument both of the singular fauour of god to all protestant Princes that haue imbraced the Gospel and of the sincere religion professed by them wherewith he is well pleased For of all the Kings of Iuda who euer more abounded with all peace and worldly felicitie then those who were most religiously addicted and affected to the seruice of God as Iosias Ezechias Iehosaphat Dauid Salomon Thus the Lord spake to king Iehoiaekim by his Prophet Ieremie Iere. 22.15 Did not thy father Iosias eate and drinke and prosper when he executed iudgement and iustice and was not all this because he knew me saith the Lord What Prince was there euer in the world either more honoured or feared then Constantine the great was after he had once receiued the Christian religion all the kingdomes this day possessed with protestant Princes all the free cities and Common-wealths of Heleutia neuer were in more riches or setled tranquilitie neuer so potent nor so orderly gouerned as they be at this day religion there hauing so free a passage and course among them as it hath and to come neerer home to our owne daies if we doe but consider with our owne selues the long peaceable and prosperous raigne of our late dread soueraigne Queene Elizabeth the very ioy of Christendome whose land in her daies was a sanctuarie to all the world groning for the libertie of true religion we shall perceiue that from the beginning of her most happie raigne vntill the day of her dissolution by gods singular goodnesse this kingdome of great Britaine hath enioyed more vniuersall peace the people of the land encreased in greater numbers in more strength with greater riches and lesse sicknesse the earth hath yeelded more fruits and generally al kind of worldly felicitie hath more abounded since and during the time of the Popes thunders bulles curses and maledictions then in any other long time before when the Popes pardons and blessings came yearely into the Realme as they did in Queene Maries daies And thus much for proofe that the outward blessings of God which he hath bestowed vpon such Kings and Princes and states as haue embraced the Gospel of his sonne Christ Iesus are vndoubted arguments and demonstrations of the true and sincere religion professed by them The last motiue to perswade any Christian man not wilfully blinde to embrace the religion this day professed in the reformed Churches is with an vnpartiall eye to consider the great strange and maruelous things which the Lord hath done for the honour and aduancement of the Gospel in such places where it hath bene receiued Is it not strange that Martine Luther hauing his enemies so many so malicious so mightie should notwithstanding after nine and twentie yeares preaching die quietly in his bed in peace both of body and