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judgement_n according_a king_n law_n 3,633 5 5.0197 4 true
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A46646 Eikon aklastos The image vnbroaken : a perspective of the impudence, falshood, vanitie, and prophannes, published in a libell entitled Eikonoklastēe [sic] against Eikon basilikē, or, The pourtraicture of His Sacred Majestie in his solitudes and sufferings. Jane, Joseph, fl. 1600-1660. 1651 (1651) Wing J451; ESTC R2475 252,075 288

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