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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A29268	God magnified, man dethroned presented to the Parliament, and synod of England : who sit as if judges for saints, as if leaders, and guides unto the generation of Jesus Christ, the body of the communion of God / by W. Bray.	Bray, William, 17th cent.	1647 (1647)	Wing B4302; ESTC R159	47,757	62

his due is a plain demonstration that somewhat might be due to the one that was not due to the other and if the Magistrate would demand Lordship over the body and conscience what would they leave for God the eternall infallible Ruler Or doth the soul the understanding alone belong to God and the body belong to man in relation to the commands of the Divine God 4 Externall contrariety to Magistracy is apparant by Jesus Christ and his Apostles in their Preachings of the truth and way of the most High God so that as the visible doth do what he is commanded by Caesar If that invisible God command another thing in the conscience or understanding for Christ was not contrary in the invisibility but also contrary in the visibility to the Magistracy Governours High-Priests Scribes and Pharisees Christ never inslaved himself nor the minde of his Apostles to the Magistrates and powers of the earth And there can be no more Conformity demanded from any to any Magistracy but only what he obeyed and taught others to obey even in the paying of Tribute to Caesar Or unless a man be taught by that Ministring spirit which was promised to direct into truth to be obedient to a Magistracy in some other things which Christ was not obedient in or was to be subject unto no power of conscience to Magistracy Again the children will not be free in the Magistrates jurisdiction from paying of Tribute so long as they have that benefit to live in the world amongst them in buying and selling God will not have his Saints to appear more glued to the world then other men to get by the world and not to let the world have a benefit from them as well as strangers or other Cohabiters and indeed it is good for the maintayning of love and Unity in the world and that which doth comprehend in it a possibility to live peaceably with all men And a Magistrate if he be one that walketh and judgeth according to the pure light of nature and right reason is to see that there be no injury offered to peaceable men amongst them and for this cause the Saints or those of contrary judgements pay Tribute also because they are or should be the Ministers of God attending upon this thing Rom. 13.6 And therefore very conscionable that they should have Tribute whether they are appointed of God in an immediate manner or of men in a mediate if they are as they are not appointed of God in an immediate in a more especiall if God shall send such or constitute such a Magistracy then reason to pay Tribute if appointed of men in a mediate good reason also because the people multitudes or Nations have made choice of some to do their business to be their servants and so long as the children of the Kingdom of God have their just lawfull and naturall liberties and freedomes to act in their severall trades and occupations in the world in godliness and honesty they will yield to Caesar in those things which a Law of nature or of conveniency obligeth them to if they were not commanded for if they live quietly under a Magistracy in godliness or according to the teaching and way of the most High God in a way of peculiarity then they also exercise themselves in honesty in relation to civils or to Magistracy No power of conscience given to Magistracy But if they are deprived of the supreme and absolute Glory of manifestation of themselves as to God even in godliness viz by imprisonment banishment or by confiscation of goods or their conversing with men because they will not receive the marke of the beast then the Magistracy weaken their owne and the Kingdomes strength But yet they fulfill their owne wills on them but indeed have no dominion ouer the Saints at all But if it be the Fathers pleasure the Saints may live under a Caesar a Caligula a Nero a Domitian or another successive civill Magistracy in these considerations peaceably and quietly in all godliness and honesty not affording a power of conscience at all though they are persecuted and afflicted despised scorned and oppressed and so not live quietly and peaceably yet they may live godlily and honestly amongst them or in the Nation under the power of a Magistracy and the Apostle might pray for it to the Father and yet magistracy have no power of conscience again though they are persecuted and afflicted under a Civill Magistracy and so not live quietly and peaceably as before yet they themselves may live quietly and peaceably in Godliness and honesty viz they may not be disturbers though they are disturbed afflictors and scourgers though scourged Tormentors though Tormented buffetters though buffetted in fine may not walke contrary to the pure light of nature and right reason though others doe so to them and so they may live quietly peaceably godlily and honestly in the midst of a perverse irrationall self-ish generation and so they may pray the Father to live though they give no power of conscience to magistracy And therefore a poore dispised Apostle being ready to be devoured by every one to be spitt on by every one in his abundant labours in his stripes above measure in prisons frequent being beaten with rods being stoned being in perills of waters in perills of robbers in perills by his owne country-men in perills by the heathen in perills by the City in perills in the wilderness in perills amongst false brethren might very well breake out and pray to the eternall God to alter and change the powers of the world if that eternall God would that he or the poore Saints might live a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty shall an Apostle speake of the things of his Father and for it be ready to be devoured and shall a Magistrate countenance it shall he have stripes by authority and without authority be beaten with Rods be imprisoned be in perill of robbers in the City in the Wilderness What is a Magistrate for then The Apostle being under so great pressures in relation to the walking of Magistracy contrary to the pure light of nature and right reason might well become a suiter to the Father for a benefit of quietness and peace under Magistracy But yet Oh Lord absolute and undefiled though thou givest a crown to defiled Magistracy to take peace from the earth thy alone eternall will be accomplished and performed and let thy Saints live to thee the supream Magististrate power and authority if thou wilt not suffer them to live quietly and peaceably in the jurisdiction of the powers of the world 5. Though the Magistrates may command the body yet they are only to command as I said before that which a Saint would willingly do for peace and quietness sake if he were only intreated or neither commanded or intreated so that he will act being commanded and act being intreated and also though neither commanded nor intreated But when the body

was to be with Jesus Christ who was manifested in the flesh or when the body is exercised according to the life power and will of the supreame Lord in Communion with those that have the same spirit of the most high in knowing and understanding then the Saints must not feare them that can kill the body viz magistracy but they must walk as the divine supereminent Saviour Lord King Judge wil have them Suppose that a Magistrate commands my body to do one thing but the invisible God in the understanding he that is God of body and soule commands another thing whether is it lawfull to obey God or man Judge ye 6. Suppose there is such a Magistrate in the world that does truely and really conceive that there is one eternall God the judge the absolute God the Lawgiver in the conscience and he according to rationality doth endeavour to demonstrate it can he make another beleeve it if any conforme to what he saieth not knowing it is not he an ignorant doer of what he would have him to do or a dissembling person But Aug. one of Gangraena's Fathers saith Simulata sanctitas est duplex iniquitas But the Magistrates and Priests of the earth have led the world in a string and they are at the sensuall beck and will of every base lust and that rule is verified amongst them qui nescit dissimulare nescit vivere But Oh! how excellent will it be when Saints shall more and more live to the supreame absolute God! 7. Whether a man may not have a word of God to deliver to a Magistrate as well as a Magistrate to another man Formerly I know God called some to speake to Kings and Potentates of the earth But we are better then our Fathers Is not the spirit of forbearance as good in a Magistrate as it is in another man if the Magistrate hath had experience that no man can make him beleeve the truths of God that he can not make any one likewise why should he use violence bitterness and wrath But we call it not wrath we call it Justice But the absolute distinguisher sees what it is and he will call that wrath and anger in you which you call justice But we will contrive a great many fine words to waue it But there is nothing hath power but what is given to it nothing enjoyes it longer then he that gave it pleaseth neither shall any thing be waved but what he will wave even that absolute I am But oh Lord supereminent if thou callest me causest me to speak of thee to manifest thee though magistracy heape up words against me strengthen their mouthes according to the judgement of Causidicks Synods of the earth though they hale me teare me in their ire sharpen their eys at me yet let it be sufficient that thou lovest when soever I see man let me be drawn to God let me say with Iob in the spirit of understanding without respect of persons Iob 20.4 5 6 7. Knowest thou not this of old since man was placed upon the earth that the triumph of the wicked is short and the joy of the wicked is but for a moment Though his Excellencie mount up to the heavens and his head reach to the clouds yet he shall perish for ever like his owne dung they which have seen him shall say where is he 8. Those that the Magistrates endeavour to compell to the Laws wills Ordinances interpretations of Scriptures the Magistrates being and confessing themselves fallible may for ought the Magistrates know have an obligation and an absolute understanding ingagement upon their spirits as to God to live to Gods owne interpretation Law will and ordinance which may be contrary to the Magistrate For God is the absolute originall of all things that are and that are to be interpreted 9. The People shall not suffer for the Magistrates sins but their owne nor the Magistrates for the peoples sins but their owne But the soule that sinneth shall die But yet in a common calamity the one may suffer as well as the other though not for the sins of another 18 Eezekiel 1 2 3 4. c. There is a declaration as from the Lord. And the word of the Lord came to me saying What meane ye that ye Use this Proverb concerning the Land of Israel saying the Fathers have eaten sower Grapes and the childrens Teeth are set on edge As I live saith the Lord ye shall not have occasion any more to use this Proverb in Israel Behold all souls are mine as the soule of the Father so also the soule of the sonne is mine The soule that sinneth it shall die you may reade the whole Chapter This was a glorious Prophesie of the time that should be when God should peculiarly manifest himselfe when God would be no more vayled by a man when God would manifest himselfe to be the absolute Lord me thinks a Magistrate confessing himselfe fallible should feare to desire much more to command another to that which that other is not satisfied of God For the soule of the person that the Magistrate commands is Gods It was no argument for a poor soule when the absolute supreame entred into judgement to say that the Magistrate gave me and I did eate nor an argument for the Magistrate to say that a companie of people invested me with this and that authority as I thought or desired this or that thing and I did eate I had received a Petition from the people or from the Major part to release one Barabbas crucifie Jesus Christ I received a Petition to deprive such and such People of their liberties being such as they when they did petition confessed God had honoured in doing them good estates priviledges and benefits of living in the world unlesse they indeed were not perswaded of in their own consciences If it was an Argument inexcusable that Adam and Eve used to God this may also hardly be They had an infallible Ministration what should be death and life But the Magistracy of the world and Synods of the times confess themselves fallible It was an Argument in that most certain case for Satan to use to suggest to poor weak Eve as it was presented to deceive God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof your eys shall be opened and ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil But oh Lord I let me seek unto thee with thee and from thee though that Devil tempts me to unite and manifest my self to that and in that way of darkness and man-sinning in the world whatsoever specious and fallacious pretences I shall receive from the men of the world and from my own soul as considered in its way of operations contrary to the body of Jesus Christ Let me though I hear men in the world pretend to the glorious mysteries of the Eternall God and the honour and glory of him try things with thy self alone and therefore be

God Magnified MAN DETHRONED Presented to the PARLIAMENT And SYNOD of England Who sit as if Judges for Saints as if Leaders and Guides unto the Generation of Jesus Christ the Body of the Communion of God By W. BRAY. ISA. 9.15 16. The ancient and honourable he is the Head the Prophet that teacheth lies he is the Tayl. For the Leaders of this people cause them to erre and they that are led of them are destroyed MAT. 21.13 14 15 16. JOB 20.26 A Fire not blown shall consume him it shall go ill with him that is left in his Tabernacle The heaven shall reveal his iniquity and the earth shall rise up against him JOB 36.22 Behold God exalteth by his power who teacheth like him JOB 21.22 34. Shall any teach God knowledge seeing he judgeth those that are on high How then comfort ye me in vain seeing in your answers there remaineth falshood LONDON Printed Anno Domini 1647. TO The High Court OF PARLIAMENT Right Honourable HAving by experience beheld God and in seeîng God have seen man also I desire to speak a word or two unto you as not loosing my life unto the death for I desire more and more to be translated and transformed into the Image of Jesus manifested in the flesh and to live by the Faith of the Son of God in the Spirit I have now seen man the perfection of the earths Creation to be vanity and his wayes to be as mutable as the wind which is sometimes East and sometimes West sometimes North and sometimes South and now I desire to lie low before the God of the whole earth and to lay aside all voluntary humility and worshipping of Angels or men I have seen many writings and I have heard many tongues which have endeavoured to hinder the pure flamings of the Eternal God even the God the King and Judge The pure Scepter is in the hand of Immortality and Immutability that can make the light to shine in the darkness so that darkness shall not withstand or comprehend the power of its infiniteness There is much contending for victorie over one anothers censcience in the world the root of such endeavor for a present Conformity proceed from your Synod which you have chosen who would if they could fain be riding on others and making the Image of God in others a slave a servant to their fallible fallibly interpreted results whereas the walkings of the visible man should alone proceed from the pure power and teachings of the invisible God both as to God and to man if we walked as he also walked The Gods of the Nations they are all Idols vanity a lie and a shadow though I remember I have read it was an opinion of old Quicquid Humus Pelagus Coelum miserabile gignit Id dixere deos c. What ever Heavens Sea and Land begat Hils Sea and Rivers God was this and that Me thinks I see sensibly and experimentally praised be the Father of mercies that the Saints sit by the River of Babylon and weep when they have the remembrance of Sion and may yet still do if the Lord give power any longer to the enemie and oppressor then they that carry us away captive will require of us a song and they that made exile or banishment our portion as a Synodean Minister so called told me there was no other way for Sectaries will revile us exceedingly and say race race them even to the ground and they that waste us will require of us mirth saying sing us one of the song of Zion But if we have not the Lord with us God with us How shall we sing the Lords song in a strange Land Psal 137.1 2 3 4. verses Me thinks it should be a business of high concernment to you to offend one of the littele ones of the Father which you may doe seeing neither you nor your teachers are infallible lest you be found fighters against God as God is in Iesus and crucifiers of the body of love and complacency But if you are and if you are to me Crucifiers I desire to imbrace the Cross as my Fathers Crown to me I desire to see the Cross and Crowne from one supreame cause power and will I shall be glad if the Father will accompt me worthy when I have no ground to accompt my selfe so to suffer for his sake if you shall have the Crown any longer yet know this that your crown your dominion is not an everlasting dominion the people of the most high God shall appear more palpably as God with them in the inmost man and then God shall be palpably exalted and man dethroned The invisible God and substance hath carried me out to write these things and hath answered all objections though many of flesh hell and death so that to me to will and to do is God so that all or any thing shall be to me gaine and immortall advantage In fine is not particular fleshly interest the God of the world is there not a generall acting judging censuring and condemning without infallible judgment and Testimonys and have not men thrown downe Episcopacy to set up tyrannicall dominering Presbyterie mutato nomine tantum And is not formall Philosophie vaine deceipt traditions of men and rudiments of the world the great Argument that swayes witness many men who write many elaborate Volumes and the continuall man-teachings of preists to Counsells do not the Preists of the nation endeavour to blow the bellows of contention and to divide deare friends because of difference in judgment so that as one Augustine one of they Fathers Tempestate contentionis serenitas charitatis obnubilatur In the tempest of contention the serenity of charity is over-clouded may not Episcopalls Presbyterians and Independents sit all under their owne Vines and Fig-trees and yet live lovingly one with another one to another be contraries yet be contraries in the spirit of love and mekeness forbearing forgiving one another may not every one walk in the light of his God according to the prophesie And the Saints walke in the light of the Lord their God surely if all that talke of Christ of that anoinment were really possest in the glorie of it man would not be any thing but God would be all in all I cannot hold my peace I am Idem calamo quod in mente I desire you to excuse me if you can that I have been so bold according to the common denomination of boldness God hath condescended to speak to me and I have spoken to God and his Testmony is sure why should not you condescend peradventure God may give you an invisible dart to think on temperance and judgment to come So I rest Your Honours humble Servant if you walke according to the pure light of nature and if you shall stand for justice and mercy in the Land W. Bray Nationall Assemblie YOU that endeavour to make your selves renowned and to exalt God with your selves alone you