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A15724 A discouerie of sundrie errours and faults daily committed by lande-meaters, ignorant of arithmetike and geometrie, to the damage, and preiudice of many her Maiesties subiects with manifest proofe that none ought to be admitted to that function, but the learned practisioners of those sciences: written dialoguewise, according to a certaine communication had of that matter. By Edward Worsop, Londoner. Euery one that measureth land by laying head to head, or can take a plat by some geometricall instrument, is not to be accounted therfore a sufficient landmeater, except he can also prooue his instruments, and measurings, by true geometricall demonstrations. Worsop, Edward. 1582 (1582) STC 25997; ESTC S120271 43,934 78

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him for setting forth three bookes of Geometrie in which hee learnedly teacheth Geometricall measurings For the part mathematicall all good surueiors owe vnto him great reuerence because he is a lanthorne vnto them aswel in the speculation as the practise He and M. Leonard Digges his father haue bin the first and chiefest that haue giuen light and tast of this necessarie part of surueie in our vulgar tongue M. Thomas Owen one of the Counsellours of the Citie of London of any learned man towardes the Lawe best vnderstandeth al the parts of surueie as I haue heard from them that be skilful and for ought that euer I could perceiue otherwise He wel vnderstandeth diuers tongues and is so wel furnished of the best authors in diuers languages that hee hath gotten much and rare knowledge from them M. Iohn Hils an Auditor of any man whose learning and practise I knowe in my iudgement is the perfectest and readiest man in all the parts thereof He vnderstandeth Arithmetike Geometrie and perspectiue both speculatiuely and practically singularly wel His knowledge and daily exercise of Auditorie mixt with the studie of the common Lawes his great search and practise of the part Iudiciall haue brought him to a profound iudgement and knowledge M. Fardenando Malyn and M. Iohn Malyn his brother can surueie singularly wel They vnderstād the Mathematical parts perfectly and are of good studie and great practise in the other M. Fardenando is the readiest man in the field that euer I saw M. Deuhurst M. Grent M. Godfrey can surueie verie well M. Godfrey hath verie good knowledge in Perspectiue I assure my selfe that many others are verie skilful and can do verie wel in al the parts thereof but I can not report the skil of any vpon mine owne knowledge sauing of these Peter Me thinks many should giue themselues to be skilful professors of surueie and to vnderstand the knowledge and practise of al the parts thereof What be the causes why there are so fewe surueyors that can sufficiently surueie Worsop Such sufficient skil as a surueyor should haue before he ought to execute that office can not bee attained but by a longer studie and a greater practise then is commonly thought to bee had thereto It is also one of the chargeablest studies that one can enter into There are fewe that wil take the paines to giue perfect instructions to young beginners to set them in the right course of study and practise which is a great cause of much vaine expences The Mathematical part séemeth so drie and hard at the first entraunce that some as wearied giue ouer before they haue passed halfe way Also measurers ignorant of Geometrie make quicker dispatch then the learned and skilful can which so pleaseth the ignorant because it diminisheth present charge that they therefore litle regard him that maketh true measure which in troth is penie wisedome and pound foolishnes Also through lack of good order in this weightie matter braggers that by showe of their instrument win credit are sooner reteyned by the ignorant then a sufficient man Some thinke that to be a great peece of cunning which in deede is eyther an error or but a trifle The benefite also to the skilful is so small and the charge to be in such readinesse as they ought so great that they giue ouer as wearied leauing the matter to ignorant dispatchers who sticke not at any thing If the learned and skilful did vse conferences deuise waies how these inconueniences might be redressed true knowledge aduanced and ignorance depressed as the learned in other professions do great vtilitie would ensue vnto our commō weale therby It is a lamentable thing that so great a mischiefe as the ignorance of true landmeasuring bringeth hath so long bin spied and that no remedie is therefore prouided Euerie man knoweth that lande is our riches in the hyest nature and yet true surueying and valuing thereof is shoufled vp as though it were a matter of small importance If a receiuer should in stead of an hundreth pounds vsually receiue either too much or too litle though it were vnder fourtie shillings and the ouersight but in monie his Lord if he knewe it would thinke him verie vnskilful and negligent in his office and quickly haue an euill opinion of him therefore But if ignorant measurers misse x. acres in an hunderth whose value is commonly aboue fortie poundes they are not euill thought of therefore though it bee to the losse of so much inheritance Ignoraunce beareth such sway that for lack of good order these chances daily happen Peter How may a man when he lacketh a good surueyor knowe him that is sufficient from him that is insufficient Worsop Rules can hardly be giuen vnto the ignorant of suruey how to choose one that is sufficient If surueyors were in such order as by good reason they should the weightines of their charge considered then as the learned in other professions are knowen from the vnlearned so might they Not any student of the Law can be admitted to the bar except by the benchers he be thought sufficient None can be admitted in the Vniuersities to any degrees of learning but by the allowance of ancient graduates of the same profession If the skilful in the parts Mathematicall Legal and Iudicial would frindly and singly ioyne together to reforme and instruct each others and to reduce surueie to a perfect order without doubt many which now vnderstand but parts and peeces rightly but moe things erroniously or lamely would in short space proue sufficient men Also excellent good waies for the best instruction of young students thereof would soon be had They that enter themselues into the studie of this science and would perseuere therein are driuen to go so blindely and confusedly to work because they know not where to haue right instructions that they fall into many errors and receiue great discourages Iohnson Me thinks the number of surueyors in these daies is too great Gentlemen know wel ynough how to let their lands to the vttermost They haue cunning ynough for that matter they néed no more help from skilfull men Worsop Though some landlords deale ouer hardly with their tenants the fault thereof is not to be attributed to surueyors Good skilfull surueyors will refourme those enormities and not augment them The common people for the most part are in great feare when surueie is made of their land If the surueie be skilfully made it reformeth ouer small measures and excesses of rents None can so wel tel what is indifferent betwéene Lord and tenant as the skilful sureueyor Some part of his charge consisteth vpon iudgement therfore séeing he is in some respects a Iudge if he be godly iustly minded he will not exact vpon the tenant although the Lord please him for the surueie taking but wil measure and value according to equitie and indifferencie aswell for the discharge of his conscience as the preseruation of his credit We are now come to the Townes end we wil talke more of these matters an other time FINIS