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A29317 The rise, spring and foundation of the Anabaptists, or re-baptized of our time vvritten in French by Guy de Brez, 1565 ... ; and translated for the use of his countrymen, by J.S.; Racine, source et fondement des anabaptistes ou rebaptisez de nostre temps. Book 1. English Brès, Guy de, 1522-1567.; Scottow, Joshua, 1618-1698. 1668 (1668) Wing B4381; ESTC R62 47,994 64

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let them judge When Christ saith we must be as little children it is not said We must be Children and become foolish but that we should imitate the plainness and integrity which is in little children and that is it which the Apostle Paul holds forth when he saith Be not children in understanding but in malice c. in understanding be men and every where in the Scriptures their wandrings and vagations are condemned for he saith Whosoever taketh not care of his own 1 Ti 5.58 c And let every one abide in the calling wherein he is called c. As for the community of Goods whereof they make so much Plato taught it the Essenes had all things common and this was sometimes practised in Jerusalem but when it is said Community of goods They had all things common c. Luke understands it of many and not of all for is is manifest that all did not so Act. 4.32 because it is particularly specified of some saying And Joses also sold his possession if all sold their inheritances there was no need of naming particular persons for particulars are comprized in the number of all he intends not that all the faithful sold all that they had but as much as necessity required it was in the liberty of every one as Peter told Ananias Act. 5. when the field was sold was it not in thy power c. It is very evident that Christians possessed proprieties and that there were some very rich who left not their riches to put them into a common stock Abraham was very rich this is not to be rejected Gen. 24 33. though in the Old-Testament for he is in the New-Testament called the father of the faithful Yea Christs speech Mat. 25.35 fully teaches us propriety in goods So Paul 1 Cor. 16.1 2 Cor. 8.10 2 Cor. 9 6 7. Rom. 12.13 Gal. 6.6 This communion was not in the Church of Ephesus Ephes 4.28 neither in the Church of the Philippians see Phil. 4.18 The Apostles charge concerning rich men proves propriety 1 Tim. 6.17 John alloweth propriety 1 Joh. 3.17 so Heb. 10.34 Jam. 2.25 Theft is forbidden by God and therefore no community Were not Isaac and Jacob and Job and Joseph of Arimathea rich and retained propriety in goods Lazarus with his two sisters retained their house The women and Luke ministred of their goods unto Christ Dorcas Lydia Cornelius had propriety in their estates c. Much more is said to this purpose but this may suffice Moreover then the multitude of believers for the most part were very poor as Paul saith Brethren you know your calling not many noble c. This was not done in a disorderly way but in good order it being committed unto the Apostles to distribute according to their judgement to poor believers among the Jews who were hated and had not means to get bread and because they who had estates were plundered or were in danger of confiscation of their estates for this cause it may seem the Holy Ghost timely set them a work thus to dispose and expend their estates which otherwise would have been lost at the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus and Vespasian which came shortly after before which ruine the Christians were retired from Judea as Eusebius recites but these Anabaptists would put all the world in a confusion by their community of goods and that they might enjoy other mens labours but it is worse for them to bind all men unto it upon pain of damnation Of the Spiritual Anabaptists who are separted from the world AS for the Anabaptists who call themselves Separated from the world and are wholly spiritual they say They will have nothing in common with the Gentiles as they call them not Fasting observation of dayes life eating and drinking c. These establish a rule how plain their garments must be of what stuff how long how large of what matter and how for manner they forbid the use of all costly garments calling such as use them Gentiles and Pagans when they see any laugh or be cheerful they cry Woe unto you that laugh now for ye shall weep They fetch continual deep sighs and are alwayes sad they reject all feastings and banquets at Weddings all use of Musick and as for that speech Rom. 12.1 they have it alwayes in their mouthes Fashion not your selves unto the world they alledge it as if the Apostle had intended to change the nature and property of all things and as if so be he commanded us to go upon our heads because the Gentiles go upon their feet or to speak with our feet and hear with our heels because the Gentiles speak with their mouthes and hear with their ears Whereas the Apostle understandeth no other thing then that we should not imitate the world in that which is evil which the Apostle John saith Love not the world nor the things that are in the world for all that is in the world the lust of the flesh the lust of the eye and the pride of life is not of the Father And the Apostle Paul expoundeth this Ephes 4.17 when he chargeth us that we should not walk as the Gentiles walk in the vanity of their understandings It is folly in them to draw these words from the true sense to make them condemn a multitude of things indifferent as some of them will not put on a clean shirt upon Sunday because unbelievers do so some will not call Munday or Tuesday but the first and second day of the week binding their Consciences unto such things they make themselves ridiculous because they condemn garments and trimmings which are not according to their Cut and Rule by their Taylors and according to their patern and fashion We would not here let loose the reins to pomp and vanity but we say We are not to condemn him who is clothed according to his Estate and according to the custom of the Country yong people all according to the received custom Gentlemen according to their ranks Merchants and consequently all men of Estate according to their qualities We condemn with the Apostle Peter all sumptuousness and vanities which are unprofitable notwithstanding we say That when Princes and the like carry it magnificently they are not to be condemned as Pagans for Christ and his Apostles never gave us Rules for our garments Let every one hold forth mediocrity and cut off all superfluity for the profit of the poor Meat drink is not less free to Christians then garments wherefore to forbid them is to hold forth the Doctrine of Devils 1 Tim. 4. as Paul saith What hurt can be found therein when God shall by his blessing give a Christian means that he may make use of good meat and drink and the faithful receive it with giving of thanks without gluttony but with sobriety wherefore should any say That this gift of God is a curse Have not the servants of the Lord praised the Lord