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A16958 Certayne questions concerning 1. Silk, or vvool, in the high priests ephod. 2. Idol temples, commonly called churches. 3. The forme of prayer, commonly called the Lords prayer. 4. Excommunication, &c. Handled betvveen Mr Hugh Broughton remayning of late at Amsterdam in the Low contreyes. and Mr Henry Ainsvvorth teacher of the exiled English Church at Amsterdam aforesayd. Broughton, Hugh, 1549-1612.; Ainsworth, Henry, 1571-1622? aut; Blackwell, Francis, fl. 1605. 1605 (1605) STC 3848; ESTC S106726 36,807 44

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ask mercie of God for the reproch vvherwith he vnjustly lodeth vs. If he thinck he can prove it why seeketh he to set on foot nevv matters leav the old vvise men wil soon see this vveak cariage And is it not a vvorthy argument that he mentioneth for vpholding his idol temples that al Christian lawes would put me to death therfore sobriety should be more in me then to require one man to teach me Could not the Turk himself vvith this bloody reason quickly confute al Christendome and did not his predecessors the Papists fight vvith these weapons against Gods former witnesses in their several ages I perceiv now if the magistrates sword wil not mainteyn these holy buildings we shal hav no defence for them from Mr Broughton Wel then let Baal plead for himself against them that shal ruinate his howses altars And wheras he thincketh it wil be no joy for him a man to tread down me that am a worm let him goe on to rejoyce in his manhood I wil rest contented with my portion in my saviours lot who was before me a worm not a man the shame of m●n contempt of the people For his curse given out against his Lords grace of Cant. now that he is put to justifie the same by the word of God he writeth very faintly asking How he did it otherwise then by citing him to Gods iudgement and himself and further asking May not any to any do so But I would ask againe May not any heretick in the world say this much more also for ●is erroneous doctrines actions Do not the Papists plead much better for their Popes preeminence And if he bring no better proof I doubt he teaching that any may giv out the excommunication against any vvil be judged both of Papists Protestants to hav ●●●ed but false doctrine The commaundement of Christ doth plainly refute it Mat. 18 15-17 where he willeth that our brethrēs sin̄es should first by our selves next by witnesses thirdly by the church be convinced before excommunication And Paul in a publick most lothsome crime that was in Corinth willed the church when they wer gathered togither to deliver the sinner to Satan by the power of Christ If one man may excommunicate an other what vse is ther of these lawes yea what confusion vprore would it not breed amongst men And wher he asketh how he did it otherwise then by citing the Bishop himself to Gods iudgement shal we take him to mean that he excommunicated cursed himself also at the same time For against the Prelat thus he wrot printed You know you have the Anathema maranatha given you it returneth to the giver if you deserved it not if your desert be doubtlesse you ar surely miserable Now the Anathema maranatha is the dreadful sentence which the Apostle inioyneth against such as love not the Lord Iesus Christ which in our English Bibles is expressed by Execration Excommunication to death 1. Cor. 16.22 Can any man of judgemēt think that the church of Corinth should no otherwise proceed against such an enemie of Christ then by citing him themselves to Gods judgement In doubtful matters wher no proof or witnesse is an oth may end the strife the thing be left vnto God to judge bring to light when pleaseth him as the scriptures teach but in cases of excommunication the sin must be manifest sinner obstinate then he by the church through the power of Christ delivered to Satan that he may be humbled ashamed for his sin if such be the wil of God so returne to Christ the church be saved And this censure the church executeth with full assurance of Gods good liking approbation knowing that he in heaven judgeth bindeth the sinner with them as he hath promised If this certaintie must be of a mans wicked estate before excommunication much more must it be before the Maranatha And as for Gods iudgement seat we know that we must al there appear at that day to receiv according to that we hav done but excommunication is Gods judgement of sinners in this life world by his church the power wherof is not left in any one mans hand much lesse in every mans to excommunicat his neyghbour then to say I have but cited him as my self to Gods iudgement But let vs serch a litle further into this his censure He gav it to the ArchB and then eyther he or himself by his own graunt was accursed miserable If the man be accursed so ar al his actions which he doth in that estate Neyther may any Christian hav spiritual or civil fellowship with one so cast out but must avoyd him least he partake with his punishment The sin of Achan in medling with the anathematized or excommunicat thing brought wrath vpon the congregation of Israel Iosh 7. The ArchB was chief Pastor of the church of England he being accursed al his administration must needs be abominable they that joyned with or submitted vnto it were defiled Thus Mr Broughton being but one man an inferior minister hath of his own authoritie cast out of communion from Christ his church as himself estemeth it from King Queen Coūsel the whol Realm their Archpastor metropolitan without their consent if any of them hav since that his cursed estate communicated with him in doctrine prayer sacraments or any other part of his ecclesiastical function which extended over al the land they communicated with an enemie of Christ member of Satan and if any Bishop or other minister hav received ecclesiastical office from him they received it from the Divil not from Christ This blessing benefit hath Mr Br. brought vpon his countrie He saith lawes kil me for disturbance but let this his presumptuous dealing be looked into that thus intermedleth without lawful caling or any just maner of proceeding to excommunicat the Archpastor of al the realm let men of place mind whither his disturbāce past present deserveth not rather the sword which he so maliciously would bring vpon his neighbour whither I had not just cause to say that himself would be found to be the wicked excommunicator If others should beleev practise this his doctrine one man may curse an other none shal know almost with whom he may live or walk in communion For if any man anger his neighbour a litle as I have angred Mr Broughton his neighbour may presently excommunicat him as this man hath done me a minister may curse the greatest man in the land But now if the Archb. wer not justly lawfully cursed then Mr Br. sayth it returneth to the giver then himself hath been ever since that day so shal continew til he get out by repentance a cursed wight one that hath given himself over to Satan by wicked excommunication