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retort_v this_o argument_n pag._n 144._o lin_v 34._o if_o every_o doctrine_n
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adorans_fw-la so_o that_o this_o adoration_n of_o saint_n and_o angel_n word_n angel_n the_o minister_n say_v pag._n 325._o that_o elias_n elizaeus_n and_o the_o angel_n be_v present_a visible_o and_o sensible_o but_o the_o saint_n be_v not_o sensible_o present_a &_o so_o we_o must_v not_o bow_v unto_o saint_n decease_v as_o child_n kneel_v not_o to_o their_o parent_n when_o they_o be_v absent_a answer_n we_o have_v prove_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n that_o to_o be_v true_a which_o the_o father_n teach_v with_o full_a consent_n namely_o s._n basill_n the_o virgin_n c._n 16._o every_o angel_n &_o holy_a spirit_n of_o saint_n see_v what_o be_v do_v every_o where_n and_o if_o this_o be_v true_a that_o they_o be_v present_a unto_o we_o and_o we_o a_o spectacle_n unto_o they_o why_o shall_v we_o not_o worship_v they_o as_o much_o as_o if_o they_o be_v sensible_o present_a not_o sense_n but_o faith_n be_v the_o ground_n of_o our_o devotion_n towards_o saint_n may_v we_o worship_v saint_n that_o be_v present_a to_o we_o according_a to_o the_o judgement_n of_o flesh_n and_o not_o worship_v they_o that_o be_v present_a according_a to_o the_o judgement_n of_o faith_n and_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n word_n with_o more_o than_o human_a &_o natural_a respect_n and_o with_o acknowledgement_n of_o more_o than_o humane_a and_o natural_a perfection_n in_o they_o be_v clear_o deduceable_a from_o holy_a scripture_n neither_o have_v protestant_n reason_n to_o stand_v against_o so_o many_o pregnant_a example_n of_o scripture_n upon_o the_o one_o example_n in_o the_o apocalyps_n of_o the_o angel_n refuse_v to_o be_v adore_v of_o s._n john_n say_v see_v thou_o do_v it_o not_o i_o be_o one_o of_o thy_o fellow_n servant_n adore_v god_n special_o this_o place_n be_v explicate_v long_o ago_o by_o the_o father_n as_o not_o against_o the_o custom_n of_o christian_a saint-worship_n for_o either_o the_o angel_n so_o appear_v as_o saint_n john_n take_v he_o to_o be_v god_n &_o will_v have_v adore_v he_o as_o god_n whereof_o the_o adorer_n be_v to_o be_v warn_v as_o s._n augustine_n adorator_fw-la augustine_n s._n august_n q._n 61._o in_o genes_n corrigendus_fw-la erat_fw-la adorator_fw-la expound_v or_o rather_o the_o angel_n for_o bad_a that_o worship_n not_o as_o injurious_a unto_o god_n but_o only_o as_o coumbersome_a to_o himself_o be_v loath_a as_o s._n gregory_n note_v after_o the_o incarnation_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n to_o see_v a_o man_n lie_v prostrate_a unto_o he_o special_o so_o holy_a a_o man_n and_o so_o special_a a_o friend_n of_o jesus_n and_o the_o word_n do_v it_o not_o adore_v god_n import_v no_o more_o which_o i_o declare_v suppose_v that_o one_o praise_v a_o preacher_n to_o his_o face_n for_o a_o excellent_a sermon_n he_o have_v make_v &_o the_o preacher_n out_o of_o modesty_n say_v praise_v not_o i_o i_o be_o a_o unworthy_a instrument_n of_o divine_a wisdom_n praise_v the_o author_n of_o all_o this_o his_o speech_n do_v not_o import_v that_o he_o think_v to_o commend_v a_o preacher_n sermon_n to_o be_v idolatry_n &_o give_v away_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n to_o a_o creature_n but_o only_o that_o modesty_n make_v he_o wish_v that_o man_n will_v not_o praise_v he_o but_o rather_o turn_v all_o the_o praise_n &_o glory_n of_o that_o sermon_n upon_o god_n in_o this_o sort_n the_o angel_n see_v the_o great_a and_o glorious_a friend_n of_o jesus_n prostrate_v at_o his_o feeâ—e_n request_v he_o to_o rise_v up_o not_o condemn_v that_o adoration_n as_o idolatrous_a but_o refuse_v it_o as_o a_o action_n though_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o offerer_n pious_a &_o godly_a yet_o to_o he_o the_o receiver_n cumbersome_a which_o he_o can_v not_o without_o some_o unwillingnes_n behold_v in_o regard_n of_o the_o dignity_n of_o the_o person_n he_o see_v prostrate_v before_o he_o rayl_v he_o the_o minister_n in_o this_o place_n be_v large_a in_o bitterness_n against_o we_o because_o he_o know_v not_o what_o to_o say_v or_o how_o to_o frame_v a_o argument_n against_o we_o out_o of_o this_o text_n of_o the_o apocalips_n for_o if_o s._n john_n do_v give_v divine_a and_o religious_a worship_n to_o the_o angel_n due_a to_o god_n only_o the_o example_n be_v not_o to_o the_o purpose_n for_o we_o say_v saint_n be_v not_o to_o be_v honour_v as_o go_n if_o he_o do_v only_o offer_v honour_n more_o than_o civil_a unto_o the_o angel_n in_o respect_n of_o his_o supernatural_a dignity_n with_o prostration_n of_o body_n than_o the_o same_o be_v not_o unlawful_a for_o the_o minister_n pag._n 336._o lin_v 30._o force_v by_o the_o jesuit_n argument_n do_v acknowledge_v such_o obeisance_n and_o reverend_a comportment_n may_v and_o must_v be_v do_v to_o saint_n and_o angel_n when_o they_o be_v corporal_o &_o visible_o present_a as_o his_o angel_n be_v visible_o and_o corporal_o present_a to_o s._n john_n now_o that_o this_o great_a apostle_n of_o christ_n be_v more_o ignorant_a than_o any_o trivial_a minister_n that_o he_o know_v not_o what_o be_v due_a unto_o angel_n better_o than_o they_o who_o will_v believe_v it_o be_v evident_a that_o he_o offer_v no_o more_o than_o he_o may_v without_o injury_n unto_o god_n else_o be_v warn_v he_o will_v not_o have_v offer_v it_o the_o second_o tyme._n therefore_o it_o be_v honour_n that_o may_v pious_o be_v give_v unto_o a_o angel_n though_o that_o angel_n do_v in_o modesty_n forbid_v he_o to_o show_v the_o respect_n he_o bear_v to_o that_o great_a apostle_n and_o friend_n of_o jesus_n as_o the_o jesuit_n argue_v to_o which_o the_o minister_n reply_v not_o a_o word_n but_o only_o rayl_v this_o be_v evident_o gather_v out_o of_o the_o sacred_a text_n see_v s._n john_n after_o this_o prohibition_n do_v the_o second_o time_n offer_v the_o like_a honour_n to_o the_o same_o angel_n which_o he_o will_v never_o have_v do_v have_v he_o not_o know_v adoration_n of_o angel_n by_o mortal_a man_n to_o be_v pious_a &_o religious_a on_o their_o
all_o other_o saint_n man_n &_o angel_n be_v mediator_n and_o intercessor_n not_o have_v access_n unto_o god_n but_o by_o he_o then_o certain_o that_o saint_n mediate_v and_o intercede_v for_o we_o be_v exceed_v glorious_a unto_o christ_n jesus_n but_o catholic_n teach_v that_o saint_n be_v such_o intercessor_n as_o have_v no_o access_n unto_o god_n but_o through_o christ_n jesus_n by_o mediation_n of_o his_o merit_n passion_n and_o death_n there_o be_v no_o other_o name_n in_o heaven_n or_o in_o earth_n by_o which_o we_o be_v to_o be_v save_v therefore_o the_o doctrine_n that_o make_v saint_n subordinate_a mediator_n unto_o christ_n by_o he_o approach_v unto_o god_n do_v magnify_v and_o extol_v the_o supremacy_n of_o christ_n mediatorship_n more_o than_o if_o in_o this_o kind_n of_o mediation_n he_o have_v none_o depend_v on_o he_o whence_o i_o infer_v that_o protestant_n mistake_v our_o doctrine_n when_o they_o say_v we_o teach_v that_o saint_n be_v fellow-mediatours_a with_o christ_n and_o that_o we_o bring_v they_o in_o to_o supply_v the_o defect_n of_o his_o intercession_n that_o otherwise_o will_v not_o be_v sufficient_a this_o we_o do_v neither_o teach_v nor_o believe_v but_o that_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n be_v infinite_a every_o drop_n of_o his_o precious_a blood_n able_a to_o pay_v the_o full_a ransom_n of_o a_o million_o of_o world_n that_o the_o saint_n mediate_v and_o intercede_v for_o we_o unto_o christ_n be_v for_o his_o great_a glory_n by_o who_o merit_n they_o be_v make_v worthy_a of_o that_o dignity_n and_o who_o by_o their_o intercession_n they_o acknowledge_v to_o be_v the_o fountain_n of_o all_o good_a that_o come_v unto_o mankind_n if_o it_o be_v a_o glory_n to_o the_o root_n of_o a_o tree_n to_o have_v many_o bough_n and_o branch_n load_v with_o excellent_a fruit_n the_o saint_n be_v but_o branch_n of_o christ_n jesus_n the_o true_a vine-tree_n john_n 15.15_o sure_o the_o honour_n of_o all_o their_o merit_n spring_v original_o &_o be_v refer_v final_o unto_o he_o and_o as_o it_o be_v impossible_a to_o honour_n and_o praise_v the_o bough_n without_o honour_v and_o praise_v of_o the_o root_n so_o likewise_o it_o be_v not_o possible_a that_o catholic_n who_o acknowledge_v that_o saint_n have_v all_o their_o grace_n merit_n &_o favour_n with_o god_n from_o christ_n jesus_n shall_v honour_v they_o or_o pray_v unto_o they_o without_o honour_v christ_n &_o without_o pray_v final_o ever_o unto_o he_o wherefore_o saint_n when_o they_o pray_v for_o we_o that_o god_n will_v forgive_v we_o our_o sin_n grant_v we_o favour_n that_o help_v we_o towards_o eternal_a life_n they_o do_v not_o allege_v their_o merit_n as_o a_o sufficient_a motive_n of_o the_o grant_n but_o the_o merit_n of_o christ._n and_o when_o holy_a ancient_a father_n in_o their_o prayer_n allege_v unto_o god_n the_o merit_n of_o saint_n this_o be_v because_o their_o merit_n make_v they_o gracious_a in_o god_n sight_n and_o worthy_a that_o the_o grace_n they_o crave_v for_o we_o be_v grant_v unto_o we_o not_o by_o the_o application_n of_o their_o merit_n but_o only_o through_o the_o application_n of_o the_o merit_n of_o christ._n put_v case_n that_o a_o prince_n shall_v ransom_n a_o great_a multitude_n of_o his_o subject_n take_v prisoner_n and_o hold_v in_o miserable_a thraldom_n pay_v for_o they_o a_o sufficient_a and_o abundant_a ransom_n yet_o so_o that_o none_o shall_v have_v the_o fruit_n of_o that_o redemption_n but_o those_o who_o the_o king_n shall_v singular_o choose_v and_o make_v worthy_a of_o that_o favour_n suppose_v that_o some_o noble_a man_n in_o the_o court_n who_o his_o merit_n make_v gracious_a with_o the_o king_n shall_v by_o his_o intercede_v obtain_v that_o the_o benefit_n of_o that_o ransom_n shall_v be_v extend_v to_o some_o one_o who_o he_o particular_o affect_v sure_o this_o captive_n shall_v be_v redeem_v &_o deliver_v through_o the_o ransom_n pay_v by_o the_o king_n not_o by_o the_o merit_n of_o the_o noble_a man_n intercede_v for_o he_o who_o merit_n concur_v thereunto_o only_o remote_o and_o a_o far_o off_o to_o apply_v this_o similitude_n christ_n jesus_n have_v pay_v a_o abundant_a price_n for_o man_n redemption_n yet_o none_o enjoy_v the_o benefit_n thereof_o but_o they_o to_o who_o by_o special_a grace_n he_o appli_v the_o same_o sinner_n beseech_v he_o by_o the_o merit_n of_o saint_n that_o make_v they_o gracious_a in_o his_o sight_n that_o he_o will_v vouchsafe_v to_o apply_v the_o merit_n of_o his_o passion_n unto_o they_o for_o the_o obtain_n of_o favour_n conduce_v unto_o eternal_a life_n christ_n grant_v their_o petition_n and_o request_n and_o thereupon_o apply_v his_o merit_n unto_o they_o these_o man_n can_v be_v proper_o say_v to_o be_v save_v through_o the_o merit_n of_o saint_n but_o only_o through_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n special_o because_o even_o the_o merit_n of_o saint_n that_o concur_v thereunto_o proceed_v original_o from_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n how_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o appropriate_v the_o obtain_n of_o grace_n and_o cure_n unto_o saint_n §._o 6._o our_o adversary_n find_v our_o invocation_n of_o saint_n for_o substance_n practise_v in_o god_n church_n ever_o since_o her_o primitive_a time_n take_v exception_n at_o some_o circumstance_n thereof_o which_o they_o think_v new_a &_o not_o justifiable_a by_o antiquity_n which_o be_v principal_o three_o whereon_o be_v ground_v other_o three_o cause_n of_o their_o dislike_n so_o the_o sixth_o reason_n of_o their_o dislike_n be_v that_o we_o distribute_v among_o saint_n office_n of_o cure_v disease_n &_o seek_v some_o kind_n of_o favour_n of_o one_o some_o of_o another_o of_o which_o practice_n there_o be_v no_o example_n in_o antiquity_n yea_o it_o seem_v to_o resemble_v the_o levity_n of_o heathenish_a superstition_n who_o do_v multiply_v god_n according_a to_o the_o multitude_n of_o the_o thing_n they_o seek_v to_o obtain_v of_o they_o i_o answer_v that_o to_o seek_v some_o favour_n by_o the_o intercession_n of_o one_o saint_n rather_o than_o of_o another_o be_v the_o judgement_n other_o judgement_n the_o minister_n say_v the_o jesuit_n by_o father_n mean_v the_o trident_n father_n not_o the_o ancient_a father_n this_o be_v ridiculous_a for_o the_o jesuit_n say_v the_o ancient_a father_n in_o s._n augustine_n time_n that_o be_v 12._o hundred_o year_n before_o the_o council_n of_o trident._n and_o the_o minister_n can_v find_v one_o syllable_n in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n for_o this_o appropriation_n that_o may_v breed_v suspicion_n that_o the_o jesuit_n mean_v they_o whereas_o he_o bring_v the_o practice_n and_o patronage_n of_o saint_n augustine_n himself_o prove_v by_o scripture_n this_o appropriation_n of_o miraculous_a benefit_n to_o one_o place_n and_o saint_n more_o than_o to_o another_o and_o s._n paul_n ad_fw-la hebr._fw-la 2.10_o say_n wherein_o himself_o suffer_v and_o be_v tempt_v therein_o he_o be_v potent_a to_o help_v they_o that_o be_v tempt_v show_v a_o reason_n why_o we_o shall_v invocate_v in_o some_o temptation_n rather_o some_o saint_n than_o another_o as_o s._n laurence_n against_o fire_n s._n apollonia_n against_o the_o toothache_n etc._n etc._n because_o wherein_o themselves_o be_v try_v they_o be_v special_o able_a to_o help_v other_o of_o the_o father_n in_o s._n augustine_n time_n which_o he_o himself_o practise_v upon_o this_o occasion_n in_o the_o town_n of_o hippo_n one_o of_o the_o family_n of_o s._n augustine_n accuse_v a_o priest_n of_o a_o heinous_a crime_n make_v his_o accusation_n good_a by_o oath_n which_o the_o other_o do_v reject_v in_o like_a manner_n purge_v himself_o by_o oath_n the_o fact_n be_v open_a and_o scandalous_a see_v of_o necessity_n one_o of_o they_o be_v perjure_a s._n augustine_n send_v they_o both_o into_o italy_n to_o the_o shrine_n of_o saint_n felix_n of_o nola_n at_o who_o relic_n perjure_a person_n be_v usual_o discover_v in_o defence_n of_o which_o fact_n he_o write_v a_o epistle_n to_o his_o people_n of_o hippo_n allow_v of_o this_o proceed_n show_v that_o to_o seek_v recourse_n rather_o to_o one_o saint_n than_o another_o be_v pious_a and_o godly_a wonder_v at_o the_o secret_a providence_n of_o god_n therein_o need_n therein_o the_o minister_n say_v that_o this_o narration_n be_v not_o to_o the_o purpose_n because_o there_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o invocation_n of_o s._n felix_n or_o of_o oblation_n to_o he_o answer_n this_o be_v idle_a for_o we_o have_v prove_v by_o s._n augustine_n and_o father_n and_o scripture_n that_o saint_n be_v to_o be_v pray_v unto_o only_o the_o question_n now_o be_v whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o seek_v some_o benefit_n at_o one_o place_n and_o by_o one_o saint_n rather_o than_o another_o which_o to_o be_v lawful_a s._n augustine_n affirm_v and_o prove_v by_o deduction_n from_o scripture_n show_v it_o to_o have_v beme_fw-mi the_o practice_n of_o his_o age_n and_o
saviour_n under_o the_o sacramental_a sign_n and_o that_o the_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n this_o be_v my_o body_n be_v true_a in_o their_o proper_a and_o literal_a sense_n this_o be_v the_o reason_n that_o the_o answerer_n omit_v to_o prove_v large_o this_o catholic_a doctrine_n now_o the_o minister_n find_v himself_o unable_a upon_o this_o supposition_n of_o his_o majesty_n to_o answer_v the_o jesuit_n argument_n for_o transubstantiation_n yea_o pag._n 397._o affirm_v that_o unless_o transubstantiation_n be_v grant_v the_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n can_v be_v true_a in_o their_o proper_a and_o literal_a sense_n hence_o he_o deny_v the_o presence_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n substantial_o within_o the_o sacred_a sign_n &_o labour_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o word_n of_o the_o supper_n be_v figurative_o and_o not_o proper_o to_o be_v understand_v he_o grant_v a_o real_a and_o true_a presence_n of_o christ_n body_n in_o word_n but_o so_o obscure_o as_o no_o man_n be_v able_a to_o understand_v his_o meaning_n wherefore_o to_o clear_v this_o matter_n wherein_o minister_n desire_v to_o be_v dark_a that_o man_n may_v not_o see_v the_o gross_a infidelity_n of_o their_o hart_n against_o god_n express_a word_n i_o shall_v show_v 3._o thing_n first_o what_o zwinglians_n and_o caluinist_n hold_v in_o this_o point_n second_o how_o the_o doctrine_n both_o of_o zuinglius_fw-la &_o caluin_n be_v against_o god_n word_n three_o that_o their_o reason_n not_o to_o admit_v of_o the_o literal_a truth_n of_o christ_n word_n be_v vain_a and_o idle_a the_o zuinglian_n and_o caluinian_a religion_n about_o the_o sacrament_n §._o 1._o a_o threefold_a presence_n of_o christ_n body_n in_o the_o sacrament_n be_v confess_v on_o all_o side_n the_o first_o figurative_a or_o in_o a_o sacramental_a sign_n bread_n signify_v his_o body_n and_o wine_n his_o blood_n the_o second_o imaginative_a or_o by_o the_o pious_a apprehension_n of_o the_o faithful_a receiver_n who_o for_o more_o devotion_n 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bare_a and_o empty_a in_o respect_n of_o contain_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n though_o full_a and_o effectual_a in_o respect_n of_o affoard_v soule-nourishing_a grace_n caluinist_n seem_v in_o their_o word_n to_o maintain_v a_o more_o real_a presence_n for_o though_o they_o maintain_v the_o substance_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n in_o respect_n of_o place_n to_o be_v in_o heaven_n only_o and_o not_o in_o the_o sacrament_n yet_o they_o teach_v that_o the_o same_o body_n without_o be_v present_a upon_o earth_n be_v give_v we_o on_o earth_n not_o only_o by_o the_o apprehension_n of_o faith_n non_fw-la solùm_fw-la dum_fw-la fide_fw-la amplectimur_fw-la jesum_fw-la christum_fw-la pro_fw-la nobis_fw-la crucifixum_fw-la &_o à _fw-la mortuis_fw-la excitatum_fw-la not_o only_o in_o the_o inward_a spiritual_a effect_n of_o soule-nourishing_a grace_n purchase_v by_o the_o death_n of_o his_o body_n non_fw-la solùm_fw-la dum_fw-la bonis_fw-la eius_fw-la omnibus_fw-la quae_fw-la nobis_fw-la 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form_n of_o bread_n contain_v the_o author_n and_o fountain_n of_o life_n whole_a &_o entire_o according_a to_o body_n soul_n blood_n and_o his_o infinite_a person_n be_v abundant_o sufficient_a for_o the_o refection_n of_o the_o soul_n yea_o no_o less_o sufficient_a than_o communion_n under_o both_o kind_n for_o this_o one_o kind_n contain_v within_o it_o nothing_o less_o than_o what_o be_v contain_v in_o both_o &_o christ_n promise_v life_n to_o sole_a manducation_n 58._o manducation_n joan._n 6._o v._n 58._o qui_fw-la manducat_fw-la i_o &_o ipse_fw-la vivit_fw-la propter_fw-la i_o and_o unto_o the_o sole_a reception_n of_o his_o body_n under_o the_o form_n of_o bread_n 59_o bread_n ibid._n v._o 55._o &_o 59_o panis_n quem_fw-la ego_fw-la dabo_fw-la caro_fw-la mea_fw-la est_fw-la pro_fw-la mundi_fw-la vita_fw-la &_o qui_fw-la manducat_fw-la hunc_fw-la panem_fw-la vivet_fw-la in_o aeternum_fw-la if_o the_o tree_n of_o life_n in_o the_o midst_n of_o paradise_n 2.9_o paradise_n gen._n 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