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scripture_n itself_o 2._o some_o give_v some_o example_n in_o profane_a author_n 3._o in_o scripture_n our_o adversary_n will_v never_o find_v any_o place_n wherein_o the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v take_v for_o all_o the_o real_a parochial_a church_n to_o the_o exclusion_n of_o child_n woman_n all_o those_o that_o have_v not_o the_o use_n of_o reason_n and_o that_o be_v notorious_o vicious_a as_o it_o be_v take_v by_o themselves_o 4._o we_o on_o the_o other_o side_n to_o confirm_v the_o signification_n wherein_o it_o be_v take_v by_o we_o viz._n for_o the_o representative_a congregation_n present_v they_o with_o these_o place_n 1_o exod._n 3._o v._o 14._o thus_o shall_v thou_o say_v unto_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n i._n e._n unto_o the_o representative_a body_n of_o the_o child_n of_o israel_n viz._n the_o elder_n of_o israel_n gather_v together_o as_o it_o be_v expound_v v._o 16.2_o exod._n 12._o in_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o passeover_n v._o 3._o speak_v you_o unto_o all_o the_o congregation_n of_o israel_n i._n e._n the_o elder_n which_o be_v the_o representative_a body_n of_o israel_n as_o it_o be_v expound_v v._o 21._o and_o reason_n confirm_v it_o for_o they_o can_v not_o in_o so_o short_a a_o time_n speak_v to_o all_o the_o real_a congregation_n compose_v of_o so_o many_o thousand_o neither_o can_v they_o easy_o be_v gather_v together_o into_o one_o place_n nor_o can_v it_o be_v do_v without_o apparent_a danger_n item_n numb_a 35.24_o in_o speak_v of_o murder_n through_o ignorance_n the_o revenger_n of_o the_o blood_n and_o the_o city_n of_o refuge_n it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o congregation_n shall_v judge_v between_o the_o slay_v and_o the_o revenger_n of_o blood_n according_a to_o those_o judgement_n without_o doubt_v the_o congregation_n here_o can_v signify_v all_o the_o real_a but_o the_o representative_a congregation_n i._n e._n the_o elder_n 1._o because_o so_o it_o be_v expound_v deut._n 19.2_o and_o josua_n 20.4_o 5_o 6._o 2._o because_o it_o be_v not_o for_o every_o one_o of_o the_o people_n or_o the_o real_a congregation_n but_o belong_v to_o the_o elder_n that_o be_v the_o representative_a body_n thereof_o to_o judge_v of_o the_o blood_n and_o deut._n 31.28_o gather_v unto_o i_o all_o the_o elder_n of_o your_o tribe_n and_o your_o officer_n the_o 70._o turn_v it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d now_o if_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v to_o congregate_v by_o the_o rule_n of_o conjugata_fw-la it_o follow_v that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d signify_v a_o congregation_n that_o be_v congregat_v or_o gather_v together_o from_o among_o the_o rest_n but_o the_o ecclesia_fw-la or_o congregation_n that_o be_v here_o gather_v together_o be_v not_o all_o the_o real_a but_o the_o representative_a congregation_n consist_v of_o elder_n etc._n etc._n as_o appear_v by_o the_o text_n ergo._n so_o it_o be_v say_v that_o solomon_n assemble_v the_o elder_n of_o israel_n and_o all_o the_o head_n of_o the_o tribe_n etc._n etc._n 1_o reg._n 8.1_o and_o that_o david_n assemble_v all_o the_o prince_n etc._n etc._n 1_o chro._n 28.1_o so_o the_o word_n congregation_n be_v take_v for_o the_o representative_a body_n thereof_o 1_o chro._n 13.1_o 2_o 3_o 4_o for_o david_n can_v not_o speak_v to_o all_o the_o congregation_n but_o to_o the_o captain_n and_o chieftain_n thereof_o as_o it_o appear_v v._o 1._o and_o 4._o 5._o neither_o can_v they_o all_o go_v with_o he_o deutrinomy_n 23.1_o 2_o 3._o it_o be_v command_v that_o neither_o he_o who_o be_v burst_a or_o that_o have_v his_o privy_a member_n cut_v off_o or_o that_o be_v a_o bastard_n a_o ammonite_n or_o a_o moabite_n shall_v enter_v into_o the_o congregation_n or_o in_o ecclesia_fw-la even_o to_o the_o ten_o generation_n here_o the_o word_n ecclesia_fw-la or_o congregation_n must_v not_o signify_v the_o real_a but_o the_o representative_a congregation_n for_o it_o shall_v have_v be_v unjust_a and_o cruel_a to_o have_v exclude_v from_o the_o church_n and_o consequent_o from_o the_o covenant_n of_o god_n any_o of_o those_o that_o desire_v to_o be_v admit_v thereunto_o 2._o for_o than_o they_o can_v not_o have_v receive_v any_o of_o those_o nation_n for_o proselyte_n to_o the_o ten_o generation_n 3._o because_o this_o be_v repugnant_a to_o another_o law_n of_o god_n exod._n 23.48_o where_o it_o be_v command_v to_o admit_v unto_o the_o passeover_n all_o stranger_n circumcise_v 28._o if_o every_o member_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v have_v power_n to_o govern_v or_o a_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n in_o every_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n ergo_fw-la of_o teach_v also_o and_o of_o deaconship_n for_o there_o be_v a_o parity_n of_o reason_n in_o both_o for_o there_o be_v some_o point_n of_o controversy_n as_o hard_o to_o be_v judge_v as_o it_o will_v be_v to_o master_v a_o sermon_n and_o it_o be_v much_o difficulter_n to_o rule_v then_o to_o exercise_v the_o charge_n of_o
seek_v in_o great_a congregation_n 3._o put_v the_o case_n they_o have_v voice_n yet_o follow_v it_o not_o that_o they_o have_v voice_n in_o the_o examen_fw-la and_o judge_v of_o the_o pastor_n sufficiency_n since_o they_o have_v not_o the_o judgement_n or_o sufficiency_n themselves_o to_o judge_n thereof_o but_o only_o as_o i_o say_v before_o in_o the_o examen_fw-la of_o his_o life_n if_o they_o know_v any_o thing_n that_o may_v hinder_v his_o reception_n or_o in_o the_o acceptation_n into_o a_o particular_a church_n or_o rejection_n from_o it_o which_o only_o belong_v to_o the_o congregation_n wherein_o he_o be_v to_o exercise_v his_o office_n which_o they_o call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o therefore_o as_o tilenus_n observe_v in_o his_o dispute_n de_fw-fr vocatione_n ministrorum_fw-la the_o church_n of_o old_a time_n be_v wont_a to_o write_v in_o a_o table_n or_o placard_v in_o some_o public_a place_n the_o name_n of_o he_o who_o be_v destine_v to_o the_o ministry_n or_o in_o case_n that_o can_v not_o commodious_o be_v do_v they_o name_v he_o public_o in_o the_o ecclesiastic_a assembly_n to_o the_o end_n that_o if_o any_o man_n know_v any_o thing_n which_o may_v hinder_v his_o reception_n he_o may_v advertise_v the_o church_n within_o such_o a_o time_n as_o she_o prescribe_v for_o that_o purpose_n and_o thus_o much_o we_o grant_v and_o this_o text_n prove_v no_o more_o our_o brethren_n triumph_v much_o also_o of_o the_o place_n act_v 15._o where_o they_o pretend_v that_o in_o that_o famous_a controversy_n betwixt_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n on_o the_o one_o part_n and_o some_o pharisee_n on_o the_o other_o about_o the_o observation_n of_o the_o ceremonial_a law_n and_o of_o circumcision_n the_o people_n judge_v and_o have_v voice_n as_o well_o as_o the_o pastor_n and_o elder_n both_o at_o antioch_n and_o at_o jerusalem_n which_o they_o prove_v 1._o because_o v._o 2._o the_o brethren_n determine_v to_o send_v paul_n and_o barnabas_n to_o jerusalem_n unto_o the_o apostle_n and_o elder_n about_o that_o question_n i_o answer_v 1._o that_o the_o text_n say_v not_o that_o the_o brethren_n and_o people_n determine_v to_o send_v they_o but_o that_o they_o determine_v which_o probable_o be_v those_o of_o the_o representative_a church_n 2._o put_v the_o case_n that_o all_o the_o church_n and_o every_o member_n thereof_o determine_v to_o send_v they_o yet_o can_v they_o not_o determine_v that_o but_o as_o they_o can_v viz._n the_o representative_a church_n compose_v of_o church-officer_n by_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n in_o voice_n and_o give_v of_o judgement_n and_o the_o people_n by_o consent_v to_o their_o just_a judgement_n explicit_o or_o implicit_o 3._o it_o may_v be_v that_o the_o church_n be_v divide_v into_o two_o faction_n of_o equal_a force_n which_o make_v a_o great_a schism_n for_o the_o text_n say_v v._o 2._o that_o paul_n and_o barnabas_n have_v no_o small_a dissension_n with_o the_o pharisee_n and_o in_o such_o a_o extraordinary_a case_n the_o consent_n of_o the_o people_n may_v well_o have_v be_v seek_v howsoever_o the_o text_n say_v it_o not_o 4._o but_o howbeit_o it_o be_v so_o extraordinary_a case_n be_v not_o to_o be_v draw_v into_o consequence_n 5._o howbeit_o the_o people_n have_v determine_v yet_o do_v they_o it_o not_o in_o a_o ecclesiastical_a but_o in_o a_o political_a way_n viz._n in_o furnish_v they_o their_o charge_n and_o in_o that_o they_o may_v have_v voice_n or_o power_n to_o consent_n or_o give_v suffrage_n in_o furnish_v money_n which_o be_v accidental_a to_o this_o ecclesiastical_a and_o spiritual_a power_n 6._o to_o send_v deputy_n or_o the_o party_n to_o jerusalem_n or_o to_o a_o synod_n to_o debate_v the_o question_n be_v not_o a_o proper_a act_n of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n but_o the_o voice_v and_o pronounce_v of_o sentence_n in_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n 2._o they_o prove_v it_o from_o this_o text_n because_o they_o be_v bring_v on_o their_o way_n by_o the_o church_n e._n what_o follow_v that_o every_o one_o of_o the_o people_n in_o the_o church_n except_o woman_n child_n distract_v man_n and_o sinner_n have_v voice_n in_o this_o business_n a._n 1._o i_o deny_v the_o consequence_n for_o how_o know_v they_o that_o there_o be_v no_o woman_n nor_o youth_n that_o bring_v they_o on_o their_o way_n 2._o how_o know_v they_o that_o all_o the_o real_a church_n bring_v they_o on_o their_o way_n 3._o to_o bring_v they_o on_o their_o way_n be_v not_o a_o act_n of_o ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n but_o of_o christian_a charity_n or_o of_o civil_a humanity_n neither_o belong_v it_o to_o every_o one_o that_o convoy_n a_o commissioner_n a_o part_n of_o his_o way_n to_o have_v a_o decisive_n voice_n in_o that_o which_o his_o commission_n contain_v true_o this_o be_v so_o ridiculous_a that_o i_o be_o ashamed_a to_o answer_v it_o or_o that_o the_o world_n shall_v believe_v that_o so_o good_a and_o so_o learned_a man_n shall_v be_v move_v to_o make_v a_o schism_n in_o the_o church_n of_o god_n for_o so_o frivolous_a argument_n 3._o they_o prove_v it_o from_o the_o four_o verse_n because_o they_o be_v receive_v of_o the_o church_n and_o of_o the_o apostle_n and_o elder_n e._n every_o one_o in_o the_o church_n have_v power_n of_o voice_v and_o of_o jurisdiction_n except_o woman_n child_n and_o sinner_n a._n 1._o i_o deny_v the_o consequence_n for_o he_o who_o receive_v a_o commissioner_n or_o a_o party_n have_v not_o evermore_o power_n to_o hear_v his_o commission_n much_o less_o to_o judge_v thereof_o as_o we_o see_v in_o state-business_n 2._o the_o text_n say_v not_o that_o they_o be_v receive_v by_o all_o the_o real_a church_n except_v woman_n child_n etc._n etc._n 3._o neither_o say_v the_o text_n that_o they_o that_o receive_v they_o receive_v they_o immediate_o in_o the_o people_n name_n 4._o or_o that_o they_o be_v receive_v by_o they_o in_o quality_n of_o church-commissioner_n from_o antioch_n but_o 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totam_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la totalis_fw-la but_o every_o part_n according_a to_o the_o matter_n in_o hand_n the_o epistle_n than_o be_v write_v by_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o by_o their_o representative_a body_n as_o have_v power_n of_o jurisdiction_n and_o by_o the_o rest_n as_o consent_v direct_o or_o indirect_o ob._n but_o in_o this_o church_n be_v comprehend_v the_o brethren_n who_o be_v distinguish_v from_o the_o apostle_n and_o elder_n e._n they_o signify_v the_o people_n a._n 1._o it_o may_v signify_v the_o evanglist_n the_o prophet_n and_o those_o that_o have_v the_o gift_n of_o tongue_n etc._n etc._n 2._o i_o grant_v it_o according_a to_o my_o former_a declaration_n only_o i_o deny_v that_o they_o have_v power_n of_o jurisdiction_n or_o a_o decisive_n voice_n in_o this_o company_n 3._o what_o if_o it_o be_v deny_v that_o the_o word_n brethren_n here_o signify_v every_o one_o of_o the_o promiscuous_a multitude_n and_o i_o shall_v say_v that_o it_o signify_v the_o deacon_n or_o man_n of_o the_o better_a sort_n that_o have_v a_o deliberative_a voice_n 4._o our_o brethren_n themselves_o deny_v that_o it_o signify_v all_o brethren_n as_o child_n and_o woman_n who_o be_v account_v under_o the_o word_n brethren_n 2._o ans_fw-fr i_o deny_v the_o consequence_n of_o the_o argument_n 1._o because_o the_o letter_n be_v also_o write_v to_o child_n woman_n young_a man_n and_o notorious_a sinner_n and_o yet_o even_o according_a to_o our_o brethren_n confession_n they_o have_v not_o power_n of_o voice_v or_o of_o jurisdiction_n in_o this_o or_o in_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a cause_n 2._o because_o that_o all_o the_o scripture_n be_v write_v to_o every_o christian_a yea_o that_o which_o touch_v the_o day_n of_o judgement_n and_o yet_o never_o any_o one_o of_o they_o shall_v judge_v thereof_o but_o be_v judge_v thereby_o 3._o because_o howbeit_o their_o letter_n or_o this_o judgement_n be_v