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A93918 The doctrines and principles the persecution, imprisonment, banishment, excommunicating of the saints of God, by the priests and magistrates of Scotland, contrary to the doctrine of Christ and the Apostles ... Stockdale, William, d. 1693. 1659 (1659) Wing S5693A; ESTC R184702 60,391 90

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the Steepping may be greater then God and we will meet and finde you out some honest man Mark the Priest will not meet with their God till they know of a great Steepping George Wear and some others having their Bonnets taken from them when they were at a meeting neer unto the Steeple-house of Lesmahagow and he laying it before William Lowery called Justice who said How durst you come there to keep your meeting if ever your come there again I will have you scourged or I will scourge you my self James Nesmith Priest of Hambleton caused William Stockdale to be put into prison for speaking to him in the Steeplehouse-yard where he remained four days in a place where he could scarce get room to lie Richard Pinder for speaking in the Steeple-house yard of Kilbryde between the Priests preaching was carried by the Constable before James Steward of Castle-Town called Justice who caused him to be put in the Tolebooth of Rugland where he remained about four days and after that he to wit James Stewart and Will. Simmons both Justices caused him to be set in the stocks at Kilbryde on a first day and ordered him to be carried from Constable to Constable till he come to his outward abode in England and he being brought to a Constable called John Barrie and he being willing of himself to go Jo. Barry gave him the Order and he went into England yet nevertheless the Justices to wit James Stewart and the rest fined John Barry 10 shillings sterl for doing so and he not willing to pay it they put him into prison where he lay four hours and a mad man was put in with him that had a naked knife in his hand whereby he was in danger of his life if the Lords providence had not been great in preserving of him and the Justices when he was brought before them again said They would forgive him his Fine if he would not be a Quaker who answered I cannot tell what I will be William Mitchel for taking of a Wife contrary to the Order and Law of the Presbyterian Church of Scotland whereupon the Priest of that Parish of Douglass called Peter Kidd complained to the Justices and caused to summon him to the Quarter-Sessions at Hambleton where James Hambleton of Woodhal was present and Will. Mitchel desired to be judged according to the Law of God and the right Laws of the Nation for we have given in a Declaration of the said Marriage to some of you Woodhal said We will neither judge you according to the Law nor the Scriptures we have nothing to do with them at this time we will judge you according to the Law of the Church of Scotland by which Law and Judgement he lay in the stocks at the cross of Hambleton five hours and after that was put into prison where he remained twenty nine dayes and they ordered him to pay twenty shillings sterl or else to receive twenty lashes on his naked shoulders at the Market-place upon the Market-day in Hambleton and he being not convinced of the breach of any just Law he would not pay the Fine neither could they get any to give him the punishment which they laid upon him Then Gawine Hambleton of Raploeh which is Sheriffe of the Shire and is also Justice of Peace and Iames Hambleton another of the Justices gave an Order to a Captain that was going to France with some men to take him out of prison to carry him to France whereupon they took him out and carried him to Edinburgh where he should have been kept in prison till they had made reddy their Ship But in the mean while the thing being laid before George Monk he caused to examine it and the thing being contrary to the just lawes of the Nation he was set at liberty The grosse Scottish Doctrines of the Scottish Priests Reproved That all may see whether those be worthy to suffer which reprove such Doctrines 1. JOhn Sempel Priest in Carrick his preaching to the people was this People saith he what would ye hear I know ye would hear News What shall I fell you but old Oliver Cromwell who is called Protector is dead he could not beguile death as Pockie as he was But there is gotten up one in his place whom they call Lord Richard but beware that Catt Lambert kill not Lord Richard 3. John Burnet Priest of Kilbrid said They had cause to curse the Magistrates every morning and every evening for giving these Quakers tolleration and he said if there were a Gallowes set up in Kilbryde parish to hang all that turn from them so many would not turn to be Quakers 3. Henry Foreside Priest of Lemgey in Dumbarton-shire Prayed that the Lord might never give them rest who is the upholders of this liberty and tolleration and said Lord take away this liberty and tolleration c. Witnesses of this that heard him say it Andrew Gray Agnus Gray Hellene Gray 4. Robert Semple Priest of Slamanan in his preaching said That Christs Sheep had neither mark nor burn c. And that God would say to the wicked what have I to you with you sir c. But I trow The Priest means the Old Masse-house and he that puts into his Mouth he will say another tale to the godly You have keeped my Kirk well and trowed my Ministers go ye up to Heaven yonder sir c. 5. Lodowick Semerwell Priest of New Monkland said That the Grace of God belonged not to his Doctrine And this same Priest caused a man to make his Repentance in his Congregation for selling to Margaret Hambleton two pecks of Lintseed yet the Priest himself borrowed a book of her and did not his Repentance and so manifested that his Doctrine had no grace of God in it Answ Now serious people may take notice how ignorantly and without cause the servants of the Lord suffer under such for the Word of Gods sake which is as a fire in their bones against all such Doctrines which hath nothing of the grace of God in them nor which the grace of God belongs not unto as they themselves confesse and people may consider likewise what a clamour and cry hath been among the Priests of England and Scotland by Petitions and Addresses to every power that appeared in the Nation to establish them in such Doctrines as nothing of the grace of God belonged unto but is murtherers and destroyers of the Creatures and would limit the Spirit of God and Word of God from declaring against their deceipt and doth give themselves to Cursing of them morning and evening that will not uphold them and make Lawes for them to destroy the Seed of God This is not like the Apostle of Christ which said Curse not but blesse and their weapons were not carnall but spiritual The Apostles had not a gallowes set up for those that turned from them but the time is come that your folly is made manifest unto all men so that
art unrighteous who would make God and the Apostles unrighteous like thy selfe let all that fear God judge of it who are now come to the judgment Seat before the Almighty God who have been them that erred from the Apostles Doctrine with it is judged and are judged and you must have a reward according to your works and he that comes to life comes out of his wickednesse and not the wicked man enters into the kingdom of God Rev. 21. and the promise is to the seed and he that works iniquity departs from the seed Gal. 3.16 And the Election obtaines it Rom. 11.7 Not him that wills nor runs But God that shewes mercy And whereas thou sayest the wicked manis ordained to life without any cause in the Creature less or more This is just the Devils Doctrine again to bring every one to hide his Talent and none neither to watch nor pray for this is the creature that brings him to lay a side wickednesse and to depart from sin and iniquity which lets him see it and covetous and drunkennesse so through the obedience of the Spirit and that is in the Creature that brings him to confesse his sin and for sake it whereby mercy is shewed the power of God worketh in us saith the Apostle And as they had been servants to unright cousness so came to yeeld themselves servants unto righteousnesse Rom. 6. How comes the commands of God to be obeyed if there be not somthing in the creature that cause him to obey it For thou sayest without any cause in the creature why were all these expressions spoken in scripture that they should obey all things that Christ commanded Mat. 28.20 And all the statute and Ordinances spoken of in the scriptures if there be not something in man to cause him to obey it but thy intent is to make God unrighteous who respects no mans person but gives to every man a reward according to works Rev. 2.23 The one as well as the other and all shall appear befor the judgement of Christ 2 Cor. 9.10 He will judge the world in righteousnesse but there is something in the creature for every man that cometh into the world being enlightned whereby he is capable of obeying or disobeying and not believing comes to be condemned and in believing he is saved he hath the witnesse in himselfe John 3.8 1 John 5.10 For he that commits sin is the servant of sin John 8.24 And there is no respect of persons with God but whosoever doth righteousness is accepted of him Acts 10.34 35. The Apostle said He perceived God was no respecter of persons but whosoever doth wickedly he hates the light and is condemned but whosoever doth the truth cometh to the light John 3.21 and so out of condemnation so thou teachest another Doctrine so as I said before The promise is to the seed the seed is Christ and Christ all and in all 1 Cor. 15.28 And all ungodly and wicked men are shut out of the Kingdome of God where no wicked men enters one nor other and man must be turned again from wickedness before he encers Rev. 21.8 Pr. He being asked what he would do with Quakers and he said if he had been a Civil Magistrate he would have thought it good service to have cut off all their heads Ans There ye may all see if he be not of Cains stock and what an envy proceeds out of his mouth and unchristian Spirit and how would he convert them if they were out of the way and how would he convince them who would cut off their heads hath not this proved the Quakers to be in the truth and he out of it and is not the command of Christ that ye should love your enemies Mat. 5.44 Now ye may see he is out of the command and example but followed the example of Cain the murtherer and doth not his envie show as much against the Magistrates as against the the Quakers because they will not execute his malice and slay them for him and be his executioners and were not these Priests as mad against the Magistrates as they are now against the Quakers at Dunbar fight and would not they have had their heads off let their Pulpits witness though now they admire their persons because of advantage Jude 16. Who cannot hold in but their shame must be uttered forth who would slay the persons of men as Cain did so wo from the Lord is gone out against you who are envious and strives to make the people envious but the life of God is risen in the hearts of his people with which they shall see you all and the Quakers be out of the way of Cain who be in the light of Christ Jesus the Saviour of the soul in which they come to have a habitation in God the Saviour of all men especially of them that beleeve 1 Tim. 4.10 So you that be out of the light be Vagabonds though ye have great habitations in the earth for Cain built a City yet a Vagabond Gen. 4. Pr. It was asked him of a fore-ordained number to desiruction and for what Christ wept over Jerusalem He said as he was humane he mourned and his Godhead decreed them to Hell Ans This is a lying Doctrine of the Devil for after many of them of Jerusalem came to be converted as ye may read in Acts 2. And many of the Priests came to be obedient to the Faith for all being gone astray both Jews and Gentiles Rom. 3.9 concluded under sin the pure the eternal tendred over them who had stopped their ears and closed their eyes to that which was pure of God in them that they might have come to that which is pure and have been gathered under Christs wings Mat. 23.37 who is pure and so have been converted and healed and have heard with their ears and have seen with their eyes And as for the word humane that is not Scripture language it speaks not that language and there were converted many thousands of the Jews and they were pricked to the heart when that the Apostle said that was both Lord and Christ whom ye have crucified Acts 2. mark ye here thou mayest see thy self to be a lyar for here was of the Jews and of Jerusalem that he had wept over thou sayest he had ordained them them to Hell as he was God which were converted afterwards so thou wouldst make God unequal that the Son is not in the Father and divideth them that the Son should weep over them and the Godhead decree them to Hell and did not Christ command his Apostles that they should not depart from Jerusalem and was not the mighty conversion at Jerusalem so hath not Christ wept over Jerusalem and after was there not a mighty conversion there And thou sayest he condemned them as God to Hell there thou mayest see thy self in the Devils Doctrine 1 Tim. 4.1 Many thousands were converted at Jerusalem which Christ wept over before the
34. Acts 15. The day is at hand that their judgement is come by that man whom God hath ordained Acts 17.31 and to judge the world in righteousnesse and to give to every man a reward according to his works Ps 62.12 Rev. 22.12 who shall give to him an account for every idle word they shall speak in the day of judgement Mat. 12.36 And William Kenedie came to George Weare and promised him that he should have a publick hearing he hearing what the Priest and the rest of the Elders charged him withall And when he came they would not give him a hearing and so found them truce-breakers that are to be turned away from 2 Tim. 3. and such as creep into houses and be of themselves boasters proud high-minded as Jannes and Jambres who have a forme of godliness and denys the power which are to be turned away from And after that the said Priest did excommunicate George Weare in in another parish without any hearing nor would not let him know for what they excommunicated him which was a work of darknesse to make the peoples minds envious against the just upon which George Weare went to their meeting place to read a paper to him to shew why he denyed him and two Priests Robert Semple and John Hume being there bad the people to knock down that excommunicated Swinger which is in English Rogue upon which the people did obey the Priest and did beat and knock George Weare down to the ground and might have murthered the man had not the Lords mercy been seen so they be in Cains way in envy Gen. 4. Jude 11. And George got up again and the Priests bad the people strike him and they did beat him and pluck him by the hair of the head and the Priests bad beat them away and they did so And after the Priest summoned George to the Court and told the Bayliff he would prove it by the Scripture he must be stoned to death now here is the murthering Jewes nature that stoned the prophets and stoned the Apostles and stoned Steven and took up stones to stone Christ Mat. 23.24 John 8.59 Acts 7.58 And bloody Butchers man-slayers no Ministers of Christ did not the false prophets go alwayes with the beast to war Rev. 13. Rev. 16. against Saints and the Lamb and did not the cheif priests stir up the rulers against Christ and had not the priests a hand to murther and was not the priest at the examination of Steven and the Councel gave order that he should be stoned to death and did not the Priests stir up the Rulers and Magistrates though they themselves did not often do it which had not the power but they stirred up the Magistrates to do it And they came to be their slaughterers to execute their malice and be their executioners ye do not ye may say it is the Magistrates which ye stir up to do it It is not said the Priests did slay and crucifie Christ but Pilate but the Priests had power amongst the multitude to perswade the multitude to aske the murderer Mat. 27. which had murther in their hearts and Pilate did the thing and did not God overthrow Jerusalem and destroy the power of the Magistrates there and priests both and hath not God done it in many ages for executing the Priests malice and their envy against the just and his anointed have not ye many examples set down in the scripture which ye may all take notice of it Therefore take heed all ye Magistrates how you execute and avenge the malice and wickedness and envy of any one against the just for the envie of the envious and the wickedness of the wicked shall slay himself Psal 34.21 and the righteous shall see it Therefore you that are called Christian Magistrates execute not neither be ye executioners of their madness and envy of those who calls themselves Ministers of Christ That would have you to slay to stone to stocks to prison and to put to death them that be contrary to them those be murtherers in Cains way man-slayers wrastlers against flesh and blood and not Ministers of the Gospel which saith Love enemies and render to no man evil for evil Mat. 5.44 and this differs from the Scribes and Pharisees who loved their own and persecuted others and stoned others and drew the Magistrates to do it which saith the Ministers of Christ we wrestle not with flesh and blood but against principalities and powers and spiritual wickednesses in high places Eph. 6.12 Now those Ministers that would have the persons of men slain are like Cain and Jezabel the beast and false Prophets that slew Abel Gen. 4.1 Kings 21. the persons of men stoned imprisoned and put to death are as the Jewes Priests and those Magistrates that executes their malice are as the Jews Magistrates unchristian Magistrates And so those are they that are wrestling stoning striking and imprisoning against flesh and blood And in the mean time spiritual wickedness rules among them and rulers of darkness in high places where flesh and blood are wrestled against so in this state both Ministry and Magistracy are blind that be out of the fear of God they turn their sword backward whilst they are executing the Priests malice and the Priests will strengthen the hands of evil doers and provoking to slay and against flesh and blood wrestling and do not profit the people at all and stirres up the multitude against the just that he may keep himself in his place for his own ends and admiring the Magistrates persons and mens because of advantage Jude 16. respects their persons which shews they be out of the faith Jam. 2. which gives victory over the world 1 John 5.4 and out of the doctrine of Christ and the Apostles now the Magistrates is for the punishment of evil doers and for the praise of them that do well which walks in the life which he that doth evil goes from where the rulers of darkness and spiritual wickednesses are and this Magistrate he can see he turns not the sword backward he answers that of God in every one and is for a praise to them that do well 1 Pet. 2.14 so every evil doer acts contrary to that of God in them now a Minister of Christ wrestles not against flesh and blood but against spiritual wickednesses in high places so every one that doth evil acts contrary to that of God in him so the higher power goes above him Rom. 13.1 So the higher power is above him and before he was all power in heaven and in earth is given to the Son of God Iohn 5.22 above all the powers of the earth that lighteth every man that cometh into the world Iohn 1.9 but they who does evil goes from the light and so the higher power goes against him The Magistrates that be in the power is a terror to the evil doers that acts contrary to the light wherewith every one that cometh into the world be
enlightned The Magistrates be in that power which goes over him and is a praise to them that be in the light and the Ministers of God is to bring from under the occasion of the Magistrates sword George Weare being with his friend standing in the field neer Foord meeting-house as they call it he neither speaking nor acting any thing against any man but standing in the fear of the Lord with his friend William Lowry and John Hambleton called Justices committed him to prison where they lay twenty and three dayes and here is his innocency preached The original righteousness was before the fall The original of self-righteousness was that which fell and is in the fall that transgressed And in the Catechism which is tollerated by the general Assembly and in the Catechise of Scotland called A Short Catechism They say that the Word of God is contained in the Scriptures Answ And the Scriptures are writings and it saith God is the Word John 1.1 1 Kings 8.27 Solomon saith The Heaven of Heavens cannot contain him and you say he is contained in the Scriptures with his writings and you say there is Three persons and the Scripture doth not speak of Three persons and the Jewes had the Scriptures and knew not Christ the Word of God Then ye tell people of an outward ordinary meanes by which Christ Communicates the benefit of Redemption The word Sacraments the Scripture doth not speak of Three Persons and Sacraments they are Papists words of them ye have learned them the meanes of salvation is not ordinary or outward but Christ is the salvation who is Eternall Heb. 5.9 and they that come to him come to the end of the outward Col. 1.27 Ye say the Sacraments are the Effectuall meanes to salvation and ye say again they are not as they are themselves so here is confusion but onely by the blessing of Christ and his spirit in them How do ye differ from the Papists for they say he is in them and ye say his Spirit is in them and where his Spirit is is not he Oh blinde are ye found out go ye home to your Mother the Papist where Christ Spirit is he is And ye say your two Sacraments is Baptisme and the Lords Supper The Scripture doth not call Baptisme and the Lords Supper two Sacraments which Names you and the Papists adore and worship which you have given to them again you in your Catechize call the First day in the week the Sabbath-day Where did ever any of the Ministers of Christ or Christians un-apostatized call it so are not you come unto the breach and guilty of your owne judgement Of the third Commandment when ye give another Name to the Scriptures then they give themselves in calling them the Word and calling Baptisme and the Supper the Sacraments Exodus 20. Moses saith God spake all these words when he gave forth the Commandements mark words and the words of Christ are Spirit and Life John 6.63 God is the Word John 1.1 and Christ is the Word Rev. 19.13 and the Word became Flesh and dwelt among us John 1.14 And them that had the words of the Scriptures which cannot be broken John 10.35 the Law and the Prophets they knew not Christ the Word before they be brought to the light that Christ hath inlightned them with and they be brought to the Spirit John 5.37 John 8.19 Can the whole world say the Lords Prayer in truth or was it taught his Disciples or to the world doth not people draw nigh to God with their lips that say it Isaiah 20.13 and are not in the light which every man is lighted that cometh into the world withall Can ye say the Lords Prayer which is Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them that trespasse against us without Hypocrisie How do ye forgive them when ye would have them persecuted and would have them stoned you that be Teachers of the people and how do ye love your neighbours as your selves and fulfill the Law and the Prophets Mat. 7.12 to do so as you would be done by To ye Presbyterians of Scotland I speak that be teachers whose principles is to stone chop off heads and persecute them that be contrary minded to you would ye have those that be contrary to your mindes stone you to death chop off your heads imprison and banish you and persecute and excommunicate you This is the Law and the prophets to do as ye would be done by as others should do to you so do unto them but Christ who is the end of the Law and the prophets Rom. 10.4 saith his doctrine is to love enemies Mat. 5.44 and saith if men persecute you pray for them and blesse them that curse you do good to them that hate you and pray for them that persecute you and despitefully use you that you may be the children of your father which is in heaven who makes the Sun to shine upon the evil and the good and the rain to descend upon the just and the unjust if ye love them that love ye what reward have ye the Publicans and Pharisees do so and the apostatized Christians who are got into the formes of words but out of the life of the Saints of Christ and the Apostles and there they are saluting their brethren onely but saith Christ be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect which you stand against so ye are they that have denyed the one offering which hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified Heb. 10.14 And makes the blood of Christ of none effect which cleanseth from all sin and the new Covenant which blots out all sin and transgression and all upon the earth professors and worshipers that call your selves Brethern and Christians and offerers of what sort soever that have but the name before thou offers be reconciled to thy brother go leave the gift at the alter and be reconciled to thy brother and then come and offer thy gift Mat. 5.24 then will the Lord accept thy offering and all upon the earth that prayeth so that ye doe forgive others that trespasse against you as you would have the Lord forgive you your trespasses Oh how is the beauty of the Church of Presbyterians marred and deformed oh how are they become Cages of unclean birds Synagogues of Sathan Oh how are their Teachers become envious men and murtherers of Cains Stock in whom the eternall life is not abideing That would club stone and chop off heads of strangers servants of the Lord God and Sonnes and Daughters and Excommunicate and put out of their Synagogues these things have I spoken unto you that ye should not be offended John 16.2 they shall excommunicate you yea the time cometh that they that kill you shall think they do God good service these things will they do unto you because they never knew the Father nor me These things have I told you before that when the time comes ye may remember that I told
reasonable and sinful be reasonable both then they are one in unity The Lord will take the soul for an offering for sin doth the Lord take that which is sinful for an offerring Isai 53. see how thou and the Prophet agrees here But what is that soul that the wicked is not able to kill is it not that which God hath in his hand and this is a lye to say that which is reasonable is sinful of one that puts light for darknesse God breathed into man the breath of life and he became a living soul who hath all souls in his hand and the soul is immortal and Christ the Bishop of it is immortal and God hath it in his hand which goeth against him that doeth evil whose hand is immortal but man transgressing against the commands of God the soul lies in death so Christ is the Bishop of the souls so they that came to know Christ their souls rejoyce in God their Saviour Luke 1. Pr. That the evil Spirits are both sinfull and reasonable Answ This is a lie for reasonable is not sinful and unreasonable is sinful 2 Thes 3. they have not the faith and if the evil Spirit be reasonable and the good reasonable they are both one who then is unreasonable If the evil Spirit be reasonable thou pots no difference between the precious and the vile thou hast the Mark of a blind guide and a false Prophet in thy so ehead Pr. That one of them Quakers is worse then the Devil A. This is a lie with his strange wonder for there is nothing worse then the Devil whose children you are for when he speaks a lie he speakes of himself and he is the Father of it Henry Foreside Priest of Lingiah in Dunbarton shire His Doctrine and PRINCIPLES Pr. THat God commands all every where to repent to the end that they should not have it to say but they were warned but not that he would give them grace to repent Answ Here thou makes God that he does not intend that he speaks and so thou would make him unrighteous though the Lord commands all men every where to repent Acts 17.30 who hath made all Nations of men of one blood to dwell upon the Earth and all being concluded under sin and unbelief that he might have mercy upon all Rom. 3.9 For both Jewes and Gentiles all were under sin and none of them did good no not one And Gods intent is that when he calls men to repentance they should repent when he calls them and many did repent and you are not fit men to be Ministers of Christ or God Now if God command all men every where to Repent and as thou sayst does not intend they should Repent thou and you go about to make God unjust First the Lord he desireth not the death of a sinner but that he should turn from his wickednesse and live Exod. 33.11 Now in the turning from his wickednesse he lives but in going on in his wickednesse he dies so Repentance was Preached from dead works to serve the living God Heb. 6.1 Christ came to call finners to Repentance not the Righteous for the whole needs not the Physitian but to the sick Mat. 9.12 13. And as for saying God did not intend to give them grace though he calls them to repentance That is a lie unrighteous doctrine for the grace of God hath appeared to all men which brings Salvation Titus 2.11 and so as he calls them to repentance he gives them grace that grace which brings salvation which men are justified by so it is saving grace that brings salvation and teacheth to deny ungodlinesse Now they that live ungodly turnes the grace of God into wantonnesse Jude 4. and these are the wells without water in Cains way Balaams way and Cores way Jude 11. speaks the high words in hypocrisie and these are they that separate themselves from the Apostles sensual having not the Spirit Jude 19. and are of old ordained to condemnation who separated from the light which turnes the grace of God into wantonnesse so these are they that neglect the common salvation it was the charge of the Apostle to Timothy before his decease 1 Tim. 4.2 2 Tim. 4.7 Then told him perillous times should come and Doctrines of Devils and men speaking lies in hypocrisie he said unto them that they should trust in the living God who is the Saviour of all men and especially of them that believe 1 Tim. 4.10 But the Devils Doctrine leads them from their Saviour and from the grace 2 Tim. 4.1 And they that are not in the Doctrine are from the light which Christ hath inlightned them withall John 1.9 And have turned the grace of God into wantonnesse and pernitious wayes and drawes others from it and we do conclude that to be the Doctrine of Devils which sayes God calls all men to repent and intends not to give them grace nor would not have them to repent as thou Henry Foreside doth say for it was the charge of the Apostle to Titus to speak sound words and sound Doctrine and could not be condemned Titus 2. and told him that the grace of God which brings salvation had appeared to all men which taught them to deny ungodlinesse and worldly lust and to live godly soberly and righteously in this present evill world these things speak and exhort with all authority Tit. 1. But as I said before ungodly men that turn the grace of God into wantonnesse are of old ordained to this condemnation and this the is condemnation of the world that light is come into the World and men love darknesse rather then light because their deeds are evill John 3.19 he that loves the light the light is his Saviour but he that hates the light it is his condemnation Pr. That the two parts of the Church must be prophane and godless Ans The Church is the Pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim. 3.15 The Church of the living God for the ungodly are out of its grounds and that which is ungodly the pillar and ground of truth there is no ungodly in it and the Church is without wrinkle or spot holy without blemish Eph. 5.27 and the Church is in God 1 Thes 1.1 That which is in God is in the light and out of the ungodly Pr. That God before the world was had ordained one little part of the people for eternal life that sin or do all the evil they could they could not loose that which was ordained for them Ans Here thou goest about to make Christ a lyar for he that commits sin is the servant of sin 1 Joh 3.8 saith He that commits sin is of the Devil saith the Apostle and thou wouldst make God partial and hast taught a Doctrine contrary to the Scriptures For God is no respecter of persons Rom. 2.11 Who will give to every one a reward according to their works Psal 62.12 And he that works iniquity must depart cursed from Christ
Mat. 7.23 Mat. 25 41. And he that sinneth after he hath received the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking for of judgement Hebr. 10.27 And the elect doth not commit sin and who shall lay any thing to the charge of Gods Elect Rom. 8.33 and the Elect is Christ Isai 42.1 who was elected before the world was he that is born of God doth not commit sin neither can he because his seed remains in him 1 John 3.9 And he that commits sin is of the Devil and never knew God vers 6 And here is the children of God maniest and the children of the Devil 1 Joh 3 10 and God hears not sinners and them that regard iniquity Psal 66.18 Joh. 9.31 Prov 15 8 Pr That the great part of the world was ordained for Hell that repent or do all that they are commanded to doe they would not obtain salvation because God had ordained them to Hell Ans Then he was asked wherefore he preached His answer was to save the elect he was answered again if it was so there was no need of that seeing they could not be lost Then he was asked before he preached to them that were ordained to Hell he answered to make their damnation hotter it was answered them again that they had small friends of them and they could not make it hotter seeing they were ordained before the Priest aforesaid was asked who had the blame that men went to Hell His answer was Seeing ye desire to know I shall tell you there is one part of the blame in man and another part of the blame in the Almighty that men went to Hell Ans In this here is confusion thou sayest God hath ordained them thou sayest God has done it then mark then thou sayest there is part in man and thou sayest before it was in God now if it be in God as thou sayest that he hath ordained them to hell repent or do all that they are commanded to do thy preaching is needless and thou cannot add to Hell hotter or colder Therefore thy preaching is done and ceased And thou saist part of the blame that men go to hell is in God here thou wouldest make God unrighteous who desires not the death of a sinner God is not to be blamed in any thing he doth but praised and righteous in all his judgements and God is not to be blamed for God is truth so let God be true and every man a lyar Rom. 3.4 thou wicked one mans destruction is of himself Hos 13.9 and God wills not the death of a sinner but rather that he would repent so no fault in God who saith let the unrighteous man forsake his unrighteousness and he shall live so let the righteous man forsake his righteousnesse and he dies Ezek. 18.22 So my ways are equall the Lord hath no pleasure at all that the wicked should die but that he should return and live so mans destruction is of himself And whereas thou sayest God hath ordained a great part to Hell what makest thou of Christ who came to be a Saviour of the world John 4.42 he doth not say the Elect onely but to save the world and not to condemn it and God so loved the world mark the words John 3.19 he doth not say so hated it that he gave his onely begotten Son into the world that whosoever believed in him should not perish but have everlasting life and he came not to condemn the world but that the world through him might have life but they that hate the light and do not beleeve in it are with the light condemned but thou sayest otherwise that he condemns a great part of the world and he doth not say he loves the Elect onely but God so loved the world and God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself 2 Cor. 5.19 he does not say the Elect onely and he through death hath destroyed the power of death the Devil Heb. 2.14 and thou art to be reproved for thy judgment for thy unbelief for thy righteousness for thy sin because of thy unbelief for thy judgment because the Prince of this world is judged Joh. 16. and so Christ doth not say I am the light of the Saints of the elect onely but I am the light of the world Joh. 8.12 and saith that light is come into the world and this is the condemnation of the world that light is come into to the world and men love darkness rather then it because their deeds are evil Joh. 3.19 So its unbelief that shuts out Rom. 11.20 So the gates stand open night and day and every one that doth evill hates the light and will not come to it because it will reprove him and he will not come in to the gate for he that comes to the gate comes to the light and he that comes to the light comes out of condemnation and comes to be a child of the light he that hates the light will not come into the kingdome of God And for thy saying God hath ordained a great part of the world to Hell let them repent and do all that ever he hath commanded them he that doth the things that Christ commands enters the Kingdome he that repents his mind is changed and whosoever beleeveth shal not perish and this command is general Joh. 10.28 through the whole world therefore thou with the Devils doctrine shuts up the kingdome of Heaven against others and wilt not go in thy self who saies let men repent and do all that ever they can they must go to hell when God wills not the death of a sinner but rather that he should turn from his wickedness and live Ezek. 33.11 but he is merciful and judges not as thou dost whose eyes are blinded and hands full of blood so I say whosoever repents and doth the things they are commanded they shall be saved and that which thou sayest to the contrary we conclude to be the Devils doctrine and whosoever resists the thing that is commanded that will be their condemnation but hates the light which was before the world was which lighteth every man that cometh into the world that all through him might beleeve for he that beleeves in the light shall not abide in darkness John 8.12 shall not come into condemnation shall come to be a child of light John 12.36 and they shall have the light of life and so the light is sufficient to save them and condemn them that beleeve not John 3.18.14 James 4.12 and every one that cometh into the light that they are inlightned withal such come into the election and into the Covenant of God and evill consciences thou mayest frighten them that hates the light which is their condemnation but the elect thou canst neither save nor deceive thanks be to God Christ reigns who will give to every man according to his works who doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world not beleeving is condemned and shut