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A62859	An addition to the Apology for the two treatises concerning infant-baptisme, published December 15, 1645 in which the author is vindicated from 21 unjust criminations in the 92 page of the book of Mr. Robert Baille, minister of Glasgow, intituled Anabaptisme and sundry materiall points concerning the covenant, infants-interest in it, and baptisme by it, baptism by an unbaptized person, dipping, erastianism and church-government, are argued, in a letter, now enlarged, sent in September 1647, to him / by John Tombes . ..	Tombes, John, 1603?-1676.	1652 (1652)	Wing T1794; ESTC R11324	36,211	48

accomplishing what is my duty in this thing SECT. XIV Of the fourteenth Crimination That I am unwilling to join with any of the Anabaptists Churches and they unwilling to baptize non-members FOr he professeth an unwillingnesse to ●oine himself as a member to any of the Anobaptists Churches and I suppose they are unwilling to baptize any who will not joine in Communion with them And for proof of the former you referre the Reader to the letters K K page 112. at which you cite not as they are in my book some words of my Apology page 10. which neither as they are in mine or your book do prove my unwillingnesse to joine my self as a member to any of the Anabaptists Churches For a man may be willing to joine himself as a Member to any of the Anabaptists Churches and yet not dare to ga●her a separated Church not every one who joins as a member with a separated Church being guilty of a schisme which a gatherer of a separated Church may be guilty of Besides a man may not know how to justify at one time the practise of gathering a separated Church or joining with it who may know how to justify it at another time when there is no hope of reformation and men are judged hereticks and excommunicated for holding truth and doing their duty The seven dissenting brethren in the Assembly had subscribed with fourteen more of the ablest of the Assembly to certain considerations to disswade from further gathering of Churches in that present juncture of time to which my words you cite had reference who it may be now would not disswade from gathering Churches But the truth is my not daring to gather a separated Church then was my willingnesse to join with any Churches of Christ and I think as much ill will as you bear to them yet you will not dare to say that none of the Anabaptists Churches are Churches of Christ though I was not willing to be a separating member in any Church but willing to be a conjoined member with all the Churches of Christ in general and each in particular So farre is your allegation from proving what you charge me with that it proves the contrary And for that you say that you suppose the Anabaptists Churches are unwilling to baptize any who will not joine in communion with them if you meane thus they will not baptize any who will not joine in Communion with them as fixed members entring into the Covenant called Church-Covenant and professing the way of discipline called the Congregational way as the only way and separaring from any Church of Christ that is in any other way of discipline for not doing which it seems you conceive them unwilling to admit me to baptisme I have cause to think you are mistaken For having upon occasion of these your words written to an Elder of one of their Churches intreating him to consult with some others and to give me resolution in these questions 1. What joining in Communion do you require without which you will not b●ptize any 2. Whether on my profession of my repentance and ●aith in the Lord Jesue and readinesse to hold communion with all the Churches of Christ in the things of Christ though I do not promise to be a fixed member in any of their Congregations you would admit me to baptisme I received this following answer subscribed by three graduates in schooles godly and learned men in these words That which we require and without which we will not baptize any is a persons manifestation of himselfe to be a believer in Jesus Christ and to desire baptisme according to the revealed will of Christ and in obedience thereunto we do not baptize any into this or that particular congregation but only into that one body in general spoken of 1 Cor. 12. 13. As touching joining in communion we in this case require no more then a manifest readinesse to hold communion with all the Churches of Christ in the things of Christ and accordingly to shew a real willingnesse to have communion with any particular Church of Christ according as the hand of God shall give opportunity and true seasonablenesse of and for the same Thus we judge and practise accordingly Benjamen Cox Henry Jesse Hanserd Knollys I do testifie the substance hereof to be the professed judgement of that congregation whereto I am joined and also that congregation where Mr. Kiffin Patient and Spilsbery are joined who did affirm so much to be their own judgement also The Scripture upon which we so practise is that Acts 8. 37 38. Hanserd Knollys SECT. XV Of the fifteenth Crimination of my allowing frequent rebaptization SEcondly when a man is baptized according to his own minde he allowes him to be oft thereafter rebaptized even so oft as he repents for sin which by the godly is done as the least ought to be done oftener then once And in the margin and the table at the end of your book He allowes a frequent rebaptizing and for proof you referre your Reader to the letters L L page 112. and there you send your Reader back to the letter C supr● Now after you had said but to put the equity of this reproof out of doubt their great Patrons now are come to defend the lawfulnesse of baptisme not onely twice but if ye will ten times yea so oft as you repent for sin which ought to be oftner then once a day So of Anabaptists they become Hemerobaptists and more for proof of this you refer the Reader to the letter C and there you alledge one passage in my Examen page 23. and another passage in my Apology page 53. and a relation of unnamed Eminent Divines It is true that to shew the unreasonable dealing of those that made rebaptization an heresie I did intreate one good argument to prove it unlawful in se for a man that hath been baptized rightly to be baptized againe and to shew the weaknesse of the arguments brought to prove it unlawful in se to rebaptize I breiefly answered the two chief the latter wherof seems to be that upon which the Assembly rested in that they alledge to prove this proposition The Sacrament of baptisme is but once to be administred to any person onely the text Tit. 3. 5. where God is said to save us by the washing of regeneration Advice for confession of faith chap. 28 art 7. And then I added that if there were as good example for Paedobaptisme as that of Acts 19. 5 6. for rebaptizing the controversie concerning Paedobaptisme were at an end with me In which passage I did not assert the proof to be good for rebaptizing but compared with the proof for Paedobaptisme to be better that is more probable then the other and such as if I had had but the like for Paedobaptisme I had not moved any more about it Which I wrote because I knew that very many writers both antient and latter do very probably from expresse

a word of exception against any man much lesse of invectivenesse against the Assembly at Westminster only it contains the expression of my belief that the ablest of the Assembly contrived Mr. Marshalls book and my wish that it were declared whether the Paedobaptists would stick to it or any other work which I conceive a reasonable wish finding the Proteus-like inconstancy of Paedobaptists in many points of the dispute between us particularly in the chief argument from circumcision and the covenant Gen. 17. to infant-baptism one forming the argument one way another another way one deriving the connexion between the Covenant and initial seal from the nature of the terms another from Gods will one ascribing an interest in the outward Covenant only to all infants of believers another ascribing an interest to them in the inward Covenant also according to charitable presumption another conditionally another asserting the Covenant of Grace to belong to them for the most part one grounding infant-baptisme on the judgement of charity another denying that sufficient and requiring a judgement of faith one stating the question concerning all infants of believers another concerning some only one interpreting 1 Cor. 7. 14. of federal holinesse another of real holinesse one waving the argument from succession of baptisme to circumcision another avouching it with many other differences which tend to the wearying of a disputant and the e●ud●●g of a Reader that desires to find truth and to spend time in examining what is fixed not to lose it in disputing against that which one will own but it m●y be most will disclaim What the Assembly have done in this matter doth not yet answer this wish What is said in the Direstory it may be well doubted whether Assembly-men now hold by that which hath pa●●ed between me and Mr. Marshal and Mr. Geree about the proposition the promise is made to believers and their seed what is said in their ●dvice concerning a confession of faith Ch. 28. Art 4. is so farre from satisfying that it is yet a riddle to me how infant-baptisme can be drawn from Ge● 17. 7 9. with Gal. 3. 9 14. which I remember not alledged by any Paedobaptists since I entered on the dispute save what I heard from Mr. Herl● now the Prolo●utor which I mention in my Apology page 41. which he did with so little evidence for his purpose as I supposed it had been his own peculiar conceit not the Assemblies argument And for the rest of the texts if the Assembly can say any more the● Mr. Marsh●ll and others have said for deducing of Paedobaptisme out of them it were fit it should be known if not I for my part count my self as much unsatisfyed by the Assemblies alledging impertinent texts as by a private mars doing the same This I declare to give the reason of that speech of mine in my Apology As for the Assembly though I have expressed my jealousie of some defects in them and perhaps shall not agree with them in all their determinations yet I have cast no filth in their faces as Mr. 〈◊〉 injuriously accused me even for my good will to them but have 〈◊〉 and spoken respectively of them as Ex●men page 1. studying what I could to prevent those blemishes in their proceedings and determinations which will in time more appear then yet they do and am induced to believe that there are so many of them therein that know me so well as that they would be loath to disclaim me whatever they do of my opinion And though Mr. 〈◊〉 in his Suspension Suspende page 21. saith Mr. 〈…〉 is approved by the Ass●mbly and so takes his book to be approved by them and you count my words of that book to be an invective against the Asse●●ly yet I do not take it to be approved by the Ass●m●ly till they declare it to be so though I have reason to conceive that divers of the ablest of the Assembly especially in some part of learning had their hand in it SECT. VIII Of the eighth Crimination inveighing against the Church of Scotland THe Church of Scotland For proofe of this you refene the Reader to the letters F F page 112. in which you cite one passage of my Apology page 93. which doth not so much as mention any Church much lesse the Church of Scotland but onely the mannagers of the censure of juridical excommunication whom however the Pap●st Prelates use to speak I think you use not to call the Church of Scotland nor do I Nor is there a word of invectivenesse aginst any in those wordes but only a declaration what I question upon my best intelligence which had lesse reference to Scotland then to other parts of the world SECT. IX Of the nineth Crimination inveighing against Mr. Marshal MAster MARSHAL For proofe hereof you referre your Reader to the letters G G page 112. and there you cite two passages out of my APOLOGY one of which page 57. is this I find the words of an intelligent man true concerning Mr. Marshal that he was apt to mistake and in the other page 69. I say that I find him still a confused disputer which indeed containes some complaint of Mr. Marshal much lesse then I had cause but not any invective which I take to be an oration against a man to make him odious such as T●llies Philippicks against Antonius and Demosthenes against Philip and Nazia●zen against Julian SECT. X. Of the tenth Crimination of inveighing against Mr. Tho. Goodwin MAster Goodwin For proofe hereof you referre the Reader to the letters H H page 112. And there you cite two shreds of a large passage concerning an accusation of Mr. Marshal in which he chargeth me as vilifying Mr. Thomas Goodwin which charge I there answer and then use some words which are not invective but a declaration what I conceived of his discourse which if it may not be allowed in dispute the best writers among us will be condemned Dr. Twisse Mr. Gataker and your brethren Mr. Rutherfurd Mr. Gillespy your self and who not your own words in the first part of your Dissuasive page 119. do come neerer to an invective against Mr. Thomas Goodwin then any words in my Apology or Examen the former of which the licenser although Mr. Goodwins tender friend yet judged mil● SECT. XI Of the eleventh Crimination of invectives against others ANd others For proof of this you referre the Reader to H H 2. page 112. where you cite two passages of my Apology the one containing no accusation no nor so much as a complaint against any one but onely a mention of my experiment which I wish the case of Doctor Twisse that I instance in no other had not verified the other passage is no invective against any but meerly an applying of Mr. Ley's words to my Treatise which he had avowed of my Antagonists writings Sir I suppose it would better have suited with charity I living the last summer at the