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A62668 To receive the Lords Supper, the actual right and duty of all church-members of years not excommunicate made good against Mr. Collins his exceptions against The bar removed, written by the author : and what right the ignorant and scandalous tolerated in the church have to the Lords Supper declared : many thing belonging to that controversie more fully discussed, tending much to the peace and settlement of the church : and also a ful answer to what Mr. Collins hath written in defence of juridical suspension, wherein his pretended arguments from Scripture are examined and confuted : to which is also annexed A brief answer to the Antidiatribe written by Mr. Saunders / by John Timson ... Timson, John.; Timson, John. Brief answer to the antidiatribe written by Mr. Saunders. 1655 (1655) Wing T1296; ESTC R1970 185,323 400

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derive_v from_o the_o first_o man_n be_v punish_v with_o death_n for_o we_o all_o die_v in_o adam_n but_o this_o natural_a death_n be_v a_o common_a lot_n appoint_v for_o all_o good_a and_o bad_a it_o be_v appoint_v for_o all_o man_n once_o to_o die_v heb._n 9.27_o and_o we_o see_v death_n reign_v over_o infant_n that_o have_v not_o sin_v after_o the_o similitude_n of_o adam_n transgression_n rom._n 5._o but_o in_o this_o both_o original_a sin_n and_o death_n that_o follow_v thereupon_o be_v of_o unavoidable_a necessity_n by_o the_o decree_n of_o god_n so_o likewise_o as_o actual_a sin_n be_v the_o transgression_n of_o the_o law_n he_o that_o so_o transgress_v be_v liable_a to_o the_o punishment_n of_o that_o law_n 10._o 1_o tim._n 1.9_o 10._o and_o the_o whole_a law_n itself_o be_v make_v for_o the_o lawless_a and_o disobedient_a for_o the_o ungodly_a and_o for_o sinner_n for_o murderer_n for_o whoremonger_n for_o liar_n and_o for_o perjure_a person_n etc._n etc._n that_o be_v for_o 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that_o have_v the_o mean_n and_o use_v the_o ordinary_a mean_n of_o their_o salvation_n as_o the_o jew_n di●_n it_o be_v say_v not_o of_o he_o that_o will_v nor_o of_o b●_n that_o run_v but_o it_o be_v god_n that_o show_v mercy_n r●_n 9_o habitual_a unworthiness_n in_o that_o respe●_n be_v unavoidable_a and_o be_v the_o common_a state●_n all_o by_o nature_n as_o well_o they_o that_o be_v bear_v the_o church_n as_o those_o that_o be_v bear_v out_o of_o i●_n ephes_n 2._o but_o the_o covenant_n of_o promise_n a●_n make_v to_o the_o church_n for_o the_o cure_n of_o this_o d●_n praved_a state_n and_o the_o lord_n have_v set_v up_o 〈◊〉_d ordinance_n of_o word_n sacrament_n and_o pray●_n in_o the_o church_n as_o the_o ordinary_a mean_n fo●_n man_n to_o use_v in_o their_o conversion_n and_o salvation_n reveal_v in_o the_o promise_n of_o the_o covenant_n the_o neglect_n whereof_o be_v usual_o punish_v with_o blindness_n and_o profaneness_n not_o diligent_a frequent_v of_o they_o but_o what_o i●_n god_n do_v punish_v habitual_a or_o natural_a u●●_n worthiness_n it_o be_v a_o effect_n of_o adam_n defection_n what_o be_v that_o to_o the_o church_n that_o i●_n bound_v by_o a_o rule_n may_v they_o contrary_a t●_n all_o rule_n judge_n of_o it_o and_o punish_v it_o therefore_o with_o suspension_n from_o the_o sacrament_n our_o bless_a saviour_n rebuke_n this_o rash_a humour_n in_o man_n say_v judge_v not_o lest_o you_o be_v judge_v it_o be_v clear_a enough_o that_o we_o may_v judge_v of_o man_n action_n and_o find_v they_o transgresfor_n we_o may_v punish_v their_o person_n but_o we_o have_v nothing_o to_o do_v to_o judge_v of_o man_n person_n let_v they_o be_v good_a or_o bad_a as_o to_o their_o person_n that_o be_v nothing_o to_o we_o we_o must_v leave_v they_o to_o stand_v or_o fall_v to_o their_o own_o master_n for_o what_o have_v we_o to_o do_v to_o judge_v another_o man_n servant_n but_o if_o either_o be_v find_v transgressor_n so_o far_o as_o their_o offending_n come_v within_o the_o church_n cognisance_n to_o punish_v let_v they_o impartial_o do_v it_o without_o respect_n of_o person_n in_o the_o church_n we_o read_v that_o those_o that_o be_v appoint_v to_o judge_v among_o their_o brethren_n 17._o deut._n 1_o 16_o 17._o be_v to_o judge_v righteous_o between_o every_o man_n and_o his_o brother_n without_o respect_n of_o person_n in_o judgement_n to_o hear_v the_o small_a as_o well_o as_o the_o great_a not_o fear_v the_o face_n of_o any_o man_n for_o the_o judgement_n be_v the_o lord_n and_o the_o cause_n that_o be_v too_o hard_a for_o man_n to_o judge_v of_o be_v to_o be_v bring_v before_o the_o lord_n and_o he_o will_v hear_v it_o there_o be_v a_o rule_n give_v to_o judge_v of_o cause_n and_o action_n between_o brother_n and_o brother_n and_o yet_o in_o point_n of_o cause_n and_o thing_n external_a that_o brethren_n may_v differ_v in_o these_o may_v be_v too_o hard_a for_o man_n to_o judge_v of_o how_o much_o more_o hard_a be_v it_o to_o judge_v of_o the_o spirit_n of_o man_n within_o they_o whether_o they_o have_v a_o interest_n in_o christ_n or_o no_o sure_o if_o in_o the_o other_o much_o more_o in_o this_o we_o be_v to_o refer_v it_o to_o the_o lord_n beside_o you_o may_v see_v in_o judge_v about_o thing_n which_o concern_v the_o church_n matth._n 18._o 1._o it_o must_v be_v of_o evil_a action_n only_o 2._o upon_o sufficient_a proof_n 3._o and_o in_o case_n of_o obstinacy_n refuse_v 〈◊〉_d hear_v the_o church_n etc._n etc._n before_o any_o judgement_n can_v issue_v out_o against_o they_o tell_v i_o ho●_n you_o can_v apply_v this_o rule_n to_o personal_a unwor●_n thinesse_n can_v this_o be_v attest_v upon_o oath_n o●_n be_v the_o church_n able_a to_o convince_v any_o in_o particular_a of_o it_o or_o be_v it_o
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