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A77781 A testimony against the Quakers False-doctrine, and the image they have set up Being a defence of the book called Antichrist transformed. In answer to a little book, published by Giles Barnadiston. And for better information, the image is hereto annexed verbatim, with the subscribers thereof. Published by Geoffery Bullock. Bullock, Jeffery, of Sudbury. 1677 (1677) Wing B5426A; ESTC R201448 24,117 31

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and Women die and Soul and Body parts whether the Soul doth ascend above the visible Heavens to an Injoyment of Glory or whether it shall descend into Hell a Place of Misery and Torment 6. Whether you do believe the Resurrection of all the visible Bodies that have died ever since our first Parents Adam and Eve yea all that were before Noah's Flood and all the World that was drowned at the Flood yea and all the visible Bodies of Men and Women which have died both by Sea and Land from a day old to the longest age that ever Man lived and that every one of these visible Bodies shall arise and come to Judgment and receive their Reward in Misery and Torment or else in Glory and Happiness each one according to their deeds done in the Body yea Children that never knew what Sin was nor yet what their Souls and Bodies were 7. And whether you do believe that Christ shall descend from above the visible Heavens where the Priests and Professors and Rome also believe he now sitteth and from thence he shall descend with his visible Body and shall come and judge the World both Men Women and Children 8. And whether you do believe that this visible Earth shall be destroyed by fire and that the visible Heavens shall also melt with fervent heat Now Friends seeing you do not deny some of the Doctrines of the Church of Rome nor yet of the Priests of England but only that which is Antichristian and these are those Doctrines that both the Priests and Professors own Wherefore I would desire you to give forth a plain Answer both to the World and me also which of these fore-mentioned Doctrines are according to the Truth and which of them are Antichristian and Erroneous so write an Answer in plain words that every one that can read may come to understand for the Truth is not ashamed of the Articles of its Faith Now in pag. 11 of your Book you say that I do exclude the Manhood Now I do not exclude the Manhood out of his Place for the visible Man Christ was the Son of God by generation from God full of Grace and Truth But yet there is a Distinction to be made betwixt the Godhead and the visible Body in which the Godhead dwelt for Christ himself made a Distinction and said that his Father was greater than he And again he said My Doctrine is not mine but his that sent me And he said to the Jews Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up again Now they had no power to destroy the Godhead that dwelt in the Temple that both was and is a thing impossible Now you say in pag. 12 of your Book That I contradict my self because that I said that the Man in the Mystery was the Womans Part that was his Soul and Body Now the Mystery that dwelt in Christ's Body that was the Godhead and the Godhead died not as I writ in my Answer to the Baptist Now as Christ was God or the Seed of God or the Son of God by generation from God he never died for the Holy Ghost died not neither had the Devil power to tempt him as he was God for God cannot be tempted as saith the Scripture But as he was the Son of Mary the Devil had power to present Temptations to his Soul even whilst his Soul dwelt in the Godhead But the visible Manhood which was the Seed of the Woman as well as the Seed of God who dwelt in the Godhead he was impowered by the Godhead to bruise the Serpents head in all his appearances and temptations and so the Seed of the Woman did bruise the Serpents head and so he never came under the Devil's power where both we and our first Parents Adam and Eve have been So that Christ as he was Man of the substance of his Mother he died but as he was God and of the substance of his Father he died not for the Godhead died not But as for our Souls and Bodies they like Eve their Mother have been in Transgression but as for Christ's Soul and Body it never consented to Sin nor yet joyned to the Spirit of Corruption And again you say His goings were of old from everlasting Friends are not the Lords goings by his universal Spirit among the Gentiles the same now as they were in the days of Abraham for then God appeared to Abimelech King of the Philistines by his Spirit in the night and was not he a Gentile as well as we and did not God by his Spirit make known Himself to Job and Elihu were not they Gentiles And had not the Samaritans the Spirit of God in the Days of Christ's Flesh as well as we have it now And was God not to be worshipped in his own Spirit then as Christ said to the Woman of Samaria And in pag. 12 of your Book you say that Christ's Blood had a Testimony in it towards the Remission of Sins So then according to your own words there was no real Remission of Sin by Christ's Blood that was shed upon the Ground Then I would desire to know what benefit the Gentiles have by that Blood if they had not real Remission of Sins by Christ's Blood that was shed upon the Cross without he Gates of Jerusalem And in pag. 13 of your Book you say that I do not tell you by whom Eve conceived the Man of Sin who was the Son of Perdition But now I will tell you by whom Eve conceived it was by the Serpent who had a Conception in her Soul when his Temptation entred her and the same Spirit of Darkness that brought Death over her hath brought Death over us we having been the Children of Adam and Eve in the Fall and having been captivated by the same Spirit of Darkness as they were And you also write against me because I said there are two Christs Now did not the true Christ say that there shall be false Christs and they are the Sons of Perdition who are one with the Spirit of Antichrist And are there not two Spirits two Powers two Gods two Princes two Mysteries And is not the one Light and the other Darkness The one is called the true Christ and the other is the false Christ which is Antichrist And yet they bear all one Name in Words although they be different in Works And you also say that I do directly oppose the Scripture to say that Christ came not of David nor Israel Now the words in my Book pag. 23 run thus Now Christ be neither came of David nor yet of Israel according to the Flesh not as to his outward appearance as he was a visible Man but he came of David and Israel both according to the Spirit And in the 18 Page of my Book it is written thus Now Christ he was not the Son of David by generation from David as he was a visible Man for Mary she was a Virgin and
Mountains of Imagination and the Light stands in Judgment over you and also your Book will be a Witness against you and the Spirit of God in all those that seriously read it Friends I think it had been more suitable for you to have looked back and to have considered some of the Patriarks and holy Men of God who in their day and Generation did err You might have remembred Isaac the Patriark who when he had lost the Spirit of discerning grew blind and then he was resolved that Esau should have the Blessing although it was Jacob's right to have it And you might have remembred Jacob who from a wrong Spirit rebuked Joseph when he told his Father he dreamed the Sun the Moon and the eleven Stars should bow before him And you might have remembred Aaron and Miriam who from a Spirit of Pride withstood Moses and said Hath not the Lord spoken unto us as well as unto thee And you might have remembred old Ely who from a dark Spirit rebuked Hannah who was a Woman of a sorrowful Spirit And you might have remembred Job's three Friends who undertook to Judg Censure and Condemn Job but had not Power to convince him And Friends you write against me in page the fifth and sixth because I said whatever is written to those called Churches it ought to be written in and from the Holy Ghost for if Paul did at any time speak by permission and not the Lord it is but a Mans Commandment and no Man is bound in Conscience to follow it for Paul saith Be ye followers of me as I am of Christ Now Paul he Baptized and he also Circumcised but yet he had no Commission to do it And so in time he preach'd it down as John did his Baptism but Christ in his day neither Baptised nor Circumcised any Man wherefore none are to follow Christ as having Paul for their Example but all are to follow Christ their Light within as their only Rule to walk by Neither ought any Quaker so called Man or Woman to follow the Light within as having your Orders and Dictates as a Rule and Guide for them to walk by Again you write against me because I said whatever is written from a sight or sence or sensible part and not from the Spirit of Revelation it is not to be owned by the Churches and you write thus and say in your Book that implies contradiction as much as if the Spirits Revelation should put out Sight and Sensibility and so I would have blind Elders and sensless Ministers But Friends it is the Devil that hath Power to blind the Soul and Understanding of Man and the sensible part wherefore none are to write from that part in them which the Serpent hath Power to blind for it is the Soul and Understanding of Man that receives the Sight But all are to write both in and from the Spirit of Revelation which alone hath Power to give the Creature sight and to make people sensible of their state and condition And this is the Holy Ghost or Spirit of God which gives the true Sight and can never blind it for that is the Devils work to bring blindness over the Minds of People wherefore if any speaks or writes as pretending to teach others it ought to be in and from the Holy Ghost for Christ said It is not you that speak but the Holy Ghost And the Apostle saith If any Man speak let him speak as the Oracle of God and it is the Spirit saith Paul that makes Intercession with Groans that cannot be utered for it is the Invisible Soul and Understanding that is to be Baptized with the Holy Ghost Now the thing Baptized that is not to speak in the Church because it hath been both in Error Sin and Transgression but the Invisible Man Christ he is to speak in every Vessel who redeems the Creature out of Transgression and not the Soul nor yet the Sensible part which hath been in Transgression for the Priests of England they are sensible Preachers who declare against the manifestation of the Spirit and deny also all Revelations from God and yet they tell People that if they be sensible of their state and condition it is an evident token of their Conversion But I say that all People that come truly to know God they must witness a Being gathered into that Spirit which makes them truly sensible and this is a Childs state which hath past the Tree of Knowledg and doth witness in measure of being possest of the Tree of Life And you say that I run on in my sensless Stuff because that I said the Soul is the Woman in ever Visible Man For you ask me whether I have not presumed above what is written in the Scripture Friends I perceive that you have left the Quakers first Rule which they were to walk by as their only Guide which is the Light or Spirit of Revelation within for when I was first convinced and believed in the Light then you said the Light within in every Man was the only Rule the Grace within the Mystery of Life within or Gods Spirit of Revelation or his Law written in the Heart that was to be the only Guide for the Quakers to walk by But now I do perceive that you have set up your Image or Paper of Orders Dictates and Forms that they should join with them as their Rule and Guide Friends I perceive you are determined page the seventh to set up your selves and also your Image and Superiority amongst the People called Quakers and likewise to Maintain those Doctrines amongst them that he that is not justified by the Witness of God in Friends is condemned by it in himself and that those that are unreconciled to the Church are unreconciled to God wherefore this I have to say and to all antient Friends Remember the first Testimony that was then founded amongst the People by the Quakers it was thus All People mind the Light within you turn to the Light within believe in the Light that doth both convince and make manifest Sin and all owne the Judgment of it for that is the word of Eternal Life and also the Saviour of the Soul and the Salvation of the ends of the Earth and that this was Gods Spirit by whom the World was made who was in the Beginning and before the Beginning and also without Beginning of Days or end of Life And this they said was the true Light that lighteth every Man that cometh into the World and that this Light was both God and Christ and the only Saviour of Man and they exhorted all minds to turn to it as their God and Saviour Now you say in your Book that those that are unreconciled to the Church are unreconciled to God But now the Church in God that is Invisible as God is Invisible although it doth consist of Visible Bodies and Invisible Souls who are Invisibly redeemed from the Earth by the Spirit of
of the Body of the Quakers in general And because the Image or Paper of Orders may be known to the Quakers in general I have here inserted it word for word with the names of the eleven Elders that signed it A Testimony from the Brethren who were met together at London in the third month 1666. to be communicated to the faithful Friends and Elders in the Countries by them to be read in their several Meetings and kept as a Testimony among them WE your Friends and Brethren whom God hath called to labour and watch for the Eternal good of your Souls at the time aforesaid being through the Lord's good hand who hath preserved us at liberty met together in his Name and Fear were by the Operation of the Spirit of Truth brought into a serious Consideration of this present state of the Church of God which in the day of her return out of the Wilderness hath not only many open but some Covert Enemies to Conflict against who are not afraid to speak evil of Dignities and despise Government without which we are sensible our Societies and Fellowship cannot be kept holy and inviolable Therefore as God hath put it into our hearts we do communicate these things following unto you who are turned from darkness to light and profess with us in the Glorious Gospel throughout Nations and Countries Wherein we have travelled as well for a Testimony against the unruly as to stablish and confirm them unto whom it is given to believe the Truth which is unto us very precious as we believe it is also unto you who in love have received it and understood the Principles and felt the Vertue and Operation of it In which our spirits breath that we all may be preserved until we have well finished our Course and Testimony to the honour and glory of our Lord God who is over all blessed for ever 1. We having a true sense of the working of the Spirit which under a Profession of Truth leads into a Division from and Exaltation above the Body of Friends who never revolted nor degenerated from their Principles and into marks of Separation from the constant Practice of good and anitient Friends who are found in the Faith once delivered to us And also unto a slight esteem of their Declarations or Preaching who have and do approve themselves as the Ministers of Christ and of the Meetings of the Lords People whereby and wherein Friends are and often have been preciously revived and refreshed And under pretence of keeping down Man and Forms doing down the Ministry and Meetings or encourage those that do the same We say the Lord giving us to see not only the working of that Spirit and those that are joyned to it that bring forth these ungrateful fruits but also the evil Consequence and Effects of it which are of no less importance than absolutely tending to destroy the Work of God and lay waste his Heritage We do unanimously being thereto encouraged by the Lord whose presence is with us declare and testifie That neither that Spirit nor such as are joyned to it ought to have any Dominion Office or Rule in the Church of Christ Jesus whereof the Holy Spirit that was poured forth upon us bath made us Members and Overseers Neither ought they to act or order the affairs of the same But are rather to be kept under with the power of God till they have an Ear open to Instruction and come into Subjection to the Witness of God of the encrease of whose Kingdom and Government there shall be no end 2. We do declare and testifie That that Spirit and those that are joyned to it who stand not in Vnity with the Ministry and Body of Friends that are constant and stedfast to the Lord and to his unchangeable Truth which we have received and are Witnesses of and Ambassadors have not any true Spiritual Right or Gospel-Authority to be Judges in the Church and as the Ministry of the Gospel of Christ so as to condemn you and their Ministry Neither ought their judgment to be any more regarded by Friends than the judgment of other Opposers who are without For of right the Elders and Members of the Church which keep their habitation in the Truth ought to judg matters and things that differ and their judgment which is so given therein ought to stand good and valued among Friends though it be kickt against and disapproved by them who have degenerated as aforesaid And we do further declare and testifie That it is abominable Pride which goeth before Destruction that so puffs up the mind of any particular that he will not admit of any judgment to take place against him For he that is not justified by the Witness of God in Friends is condemned by it in himself though being hardened he may boast over it in a false Confidence 3. If any difference arise in the Church or amongst them that profess themselves Members thereof We do declare and testifie That the Church with the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ have power without the assent of such as dissent from their Doctrine and Practices to hear and determine the same If any pretend to be of us and in case of Controversie will not admit to be tried by the Church of Christ Jesus nor submit to the judgment given by the Spirit of Truth in the Elders and Members of the same but kick against their judgment as only the judgment of Man it being manifested according to Truth and consistent with the Doctrine of such good antient Friends as have been and are found in the Faith agreeable to the Witness of God in his People Then we do testifie in the Name of the Lord if that judgment so given be risen against and denied by the party condemned then he or she and such as so far partake of their sins as to countenance and encourage them therein ought to be rejected And having err'd from the Truth persisting therein presumptuously are joyned in one with HEATHENS and INFIDELS 4. We do declare That if any go abroad hereafter pretending to that weighty Work and Service who either in Life or Doctrine grieve good Friends that are stedfast in the Truth sound in the Faith so that they are not manifest in their Consciences but disagree to the Witness of God in them Then ought they whatever have been their Gifts to leave them before the Altar and forbear going abroad and ministring until they are reconciled to the Church and have the Approbation of the Elders and Members of the same And if any that have been so approved of by the Church do afterwards degenerate from the Truth and do that which tendeth to Division and countenance Wickedness and Faction as some have done then the Church hath a true Spiritual Right and Authority to call such to Examination and if they find sufficient cause for it by good testimony may judg them unfit for the Work of Gods Ministry whereof they