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A10967 An historical dialogue touching antichrist and poperie, drawen and published for the common benefit and comfort of our church in these dangerous daies, & against the desperate attemptes of the vowed aduersaries of Iesus Christ, his gospell, and this florishing state. by Thomas Rogers. Allowed by auctoritie. Rogers, Thomas, d. 1616. 1589 (1589) STC 21237; ESTC S112075 54,518 126

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doth vsurpe th' office of Christ that I may the more be setled in this perswasion that the Pope is Antichrist Z. They which say that the Pope is the sunne the Church the moone the Pope the bridegroome the church the bride the Pope the head the church the bodie they place the Pope in the roome of Christ. For Christ is the sun Christ the Bridegroome Christ the head of the catholique Church To say therfore that the Pope is the Sunne the bridegrome the head of the church is euen to saye that the Pope is Christ. This Heauen cānot indure two sunnes nor this wife two husbandes nor this bodie two heads If the Pope be Christ is not and if Christ be all this the Pope is not T. Conceaue they so highly of the Pope Z. Yea and to this day whensoeuer they enstall their newly created Pope they salute him with these words Thou art the high priest thou art the Archbishop thou art the heire of the Apostles in praedecession Abel in gouerning the Arke Noe in Patriarkship Abraham in order Melchisedec in dignity Aaron in authority Moses in iudgement Salomon in zeale Helias in humilitie Dauid in power Peter and in respect of thine vnction thou art Christ. T. So say some of our side as I do remember Z. That which we say they confirme and like well of T. But how in respect of his vnction can he bee called Christ seeing Christ was not annointed by the handes of any mortall man but by the Power of the coelestiall father nor with earthlie ointment but with spirituall oile the Pope is anointed not immediatly from God but by the handes of man not with spirituall oile but with greasie ointment Z. In deed it is too horrible that in that respect they should intitle him with the name of Christ yet far worser is it that they dare acknowledge him as they do for the very Messiah and renounce our Sauiour T. As how Z. In that they take not Christ for the onely King the onely Priest and the onely Prophet but make the Pope the King the Priest and the Prophet of the church of God as well as Christ. Chap. 6. 1 Of the Pope of Rome inuested in the roiall throne of Iesus Christ and made the soueraigne King of the Catholique Church 2. and of the Papall gouernment and bloodie proceedinges of the same all Antichristian TIMOTHIE Declare nowe more fully that which you haue said first how the Pope vsurpeth the place of Christ in th' execution of his kingly office ZELOTES You knowe what is written by sainct Iohn in his Reuelation touching our Sauiour Christ that hee is Lord of Lordes and King of Kinges yea the King of Kinges and Lord of Lordes T. The Places are well known Z. They now which say that the Pope is the Prince of Princes and the King of Kinges do they not enstall the Pope in the throne of Christ T. That is verie true but do they so Z. Yea for those be their verie wordes iudgement of the Pope And which is equiualent with the same they say that of necessitie if men will be saued they must come vnder the subiection of the Pope yea we declare say define and pronounce that it is altogether necessarie if they will bee saued that all creatures yeeld obedience to the Pope of Rome saith Gregorie the eight T. That is the voice not of God but of Antichrist himselfe Z. So be those words wherby it is deliuered that the Pope not only hath the power of à priest but also whatsoeuer power the Kinges and Emperours in any part of th' uniuersall world haue it is the Popes they receaue it from him for his part himselfe is exempted from all obedience to any earthly Prince and is in such à state that hee neither neede nor will do anie reuerēce at all to any mortall man T. Christ was of an other Spirite for he acknowledged th' auctoritie of the Magistrate ouer him and his when he paid the polle mony both for him selfe and Peter and that to auoide offense and that vnto such as were no fauorers of the true Religion but enemies Againe of that humilitie was Christ that he is an example to all posteritie of meeknes and lowlines in hart Z. And the Pope is à Patron on th' other side of most detestable pride For hee giueth out his feete to be kissed of men euen of Kinges and Emperours T. Christ did neuer so lay forth his feet but that he washed and wiped his poore disciples feete wee do reade And that because they should do euen as he had done to them Z. Truth it is Christ gaue no such example and the Kinges of Persia Turkie yea the most proud Calaphaes of Arabia haue alwayes abhorred such kinde of adoration T. Read you euer that any Emperour was of that base minde that he would submit him selfe so seruilie to the kissing of the Pope his feet or that any Pope would suffer such à maiestie so to debase himselfe Z. We finde not onely that the Emperour Frederick did so vnto pope Alexander the third and Iustiniā vnto Syluester but also that it is th' office of the Emperour sometime to poure the water into the basen when the pope is to wash to carie the first dish to the table where the pope doth sit and abroad not onely to hold the stirrop while the pope mounteth vp but to leade forth his horse also for some pretty space yea the pride of the pope of Rome is such as some well acquainted with the fashion of coūtries are driuen to say what is à King what is an Emperor in his Maiestie any thing to the Bishop of Rome No surely nor I would not wish them to be T. That must needes bee excessiue pompe which the greatest in the world may be ashamed to shew forth Z. And so it must T. What places of Scripture haue you to condemne this ambitious arrogancie of the Pope of Rome Z. To condemne his pride the places are manifold and pregnant as where ambition arrogancie pride is condēned in generall so where Christ saith vnto his disciples that albeit the Kinges of the Gentiles do raigne beare rule are called bountifull yet they should not be so where againe he saith My kingdome is not of this world where againe it is writtē that Christ departed into à mountaine him selfe alone when he perceaued that the people would come and take him to make him king And where the Elders of the Church are willed not to be as Lords ouer Gods heritage but to be ensamples to the flocke T. Seeing the word of God is so flat against his pride and arrogancie how cometh it about that he is of that state and Soueraigntie Z. That is by the papal constitutions and by nothing else