Selected quad for the lemma: honour_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
honour_n	word_n	worship_v	worthy_a	42	3	6.3926	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A33770	Theophilus and Philodoxus, or, Several conferences between two friends the one a true son of the Church of England, the other faln off to the Church of Rome, concerning 1. praier in an unknown tongue, 2. the half communion, 3. the worshipping of images, 4. the invocation of saints / by Gilbert Coles.	Coles, Gilbert, 1617-1676.	1674 (1674)	Wing C5085; ESTC R27900	233,018	224

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ligno_fw-la &_o lapide_fw-la faceremus_fw-la anathematizeremur_fw-la à_fw-la veritate_fw-la &_o ecclesia_fw-la dei_fw-la quonium_fw-la create_v exhiberemus_fw-la eam_fw-la servitutem_fw-la quae_fw-la soli_fw-la deo_fw-la debetur_fw-la augustin_n say_v express_o if_o we_o shall_v make_v a_o temple_n to_o any_o holy_a and_o most_o excellent_a angel_n either_o of_o wood_n or_o stone_n shall_v we_o not_o be_v separate_v and_o accurse_a from_o the_o truth_n and_o from_o the_o church_n of_o god_n because_o we_o exhibit_v to_o a_o creature_n that_o service_n which_o be_v due_a only_a to_o god_n divis._n god_n hoc_fw-la nunc_fw-la fit_a quibuslibet_fw-la divis._n and_o erasmus_n his_o marginal_a note_n upon_o this_o passage_n of_o augustin_n be_v this_o now_o be_v every_o where_o do_v unto_o the_o saint_n construimus_fw-la saint_n lib._n 1._o de_fw-fr vera_fw-la rel._n c._n 55._o honoramus_fw-la choose_fw-la charitate_fw-la non_fw-la servitute_fw-la nec_fw-la iis_fw-la templa_fw-la 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