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expression_n of_o honour_n and_o respect_n for_o she_o and_o only_o speak_v against_o that_o worship_n which_o monsieur_n de_fw-fr meaux_n here_o declare_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n to_o be_v none_o of_o they_o it_o be_v send_v abroad_o into_o the_o world_n with_o all_o the_o advantage_n imaginable_a it_o have_v the_o approbation_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o mysia_n suffragan_n to_o the_o archbishop_n of_o cologne_n of_o the_o vicar_n general_n of_o the_o place_n of_o the_o censure_n of_o gant_n of_o the_o canon_n and_o divine_n of_o malines_n of_o the_o university_n of_o louvain_n and_o last_o of_o monsieur_n the_o bishop_n of_o tournay_n who_o recommend_v it_o as_o a_o treatise_n full_a of_o solid_a piety_n and_o very_o fit_a and_o necessary_a to_o draw_v people_n out_o of_o those_o error_n and_o abuse_n into_o which_o their_o superstition_n have_v lead_v they_o yet_o notwithstanding_o all_o this_o applause_n if_o we_o inquire_v what_o success_n this_o book_n have_v with_o other_o father_z crasset_fw-la the_o jesuit_n who_o write_v purposely_o against_o it_o 4o._o it_o see_v his_o book_n entitle_v la_n veritable_a devotion_n enver_v la_fw-fr st._n verge_n 4o._o his_o book_n print_v at_o paris_n 1679_o license_v by_o the_o provincial_n approve_v by_o the_o three_o father_n of_o the_o society_n appoint_v to_o examine_v it_o and_o last_o authorize_v by_o the_o king_n permission_n tell_v we_o 2._o we_o la_fw-fr preface_n p._n 1_o 2._o that_o for_o fear_n of_o give_v scandal_n to_o heretic_n he_o have_v give_v a_o very_a great_a one_o to_o those_o he_o call_v catholic_n that_o the_o learned_a man_n of_o all_o nation_n have_v write_v against_o he_o that_o the_o holy_a see_v have_v condemn_v he_o spain_n have_v banish_v he_o out_o of_o its_o dominion_n and_o forbid_v to_o read_v or_o print_v his_o book_n as_o contain_v proposition_n suspect_v of_o error_n and_o impiety_n that_o abuse_v the_o holy_a scripture_n and_o impose_v upon_o catholic_n by_o 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must_v be_v confess_v that_o we_o can_v be_v save_v without_o she_o this_o be_v i_o presume_v somewhat_o more_o than_o what_o monsieur_n de_fw-fr meaux_n expound_v to_o we_o and_o i_o shall_v leave_v it_o to_o any_o one_o to_o judge_v whether_o this_o father_n who_o have_v show_v himself_o so_o zealous_a against_o the_o author_n of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n salutary_a advertisement_n can_v have_v be_v very_o well_o please_v with_o mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n exposition_n the_o next_o point_n which_o the_o exposition_n advance_v be_v concern_v the_o worship_n of_o image_n mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n in_o the_o edition_n suppress_v preface_n see_v the_o collection_n at_o the_o end_n of_o the_o preface_n affirm_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v not_o so_o much_o honour_v the_o image_n of_o the_o apostle_n or_o martyr_n as_o the_o apostle_n or_o martyr_n in_o presence_n of_o the_o image_n and_o though_o the_o censure_n pass_v upon_o this_o new_a fancy_n oblige_v he_o to_o speak_v a_o little_a more_o plain_o yet_o be_v it_o only_o thus_o even_o now_o '_o that_o when_o the_o church_n pay_v a_o honour_n to_o the_o image_n of_o a_o apostle_n or_o martyr_n her_o intention_n be_v not_o so_o much_o to_o honour_v the_o image_n as_o to_o honour_v the_o apostle_n or_o martyr_n in_o presence_n of_o the_o image_n concern_v which_o the_o reader_n may_v please_v to_o observe_v that_o cardinal_n capisucchi_fw-it one_o of_o the_o approver_n of_o mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n exposition_n have_v late_o set_v forth_o a_o volume_n of_o controversy_n at_o rome_n with_o all_o the_o most_o solemn_a permission_n and_o approbation_n that_o can_v be_v desire_v in_o which_o he_o formal_o contradict_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o same_o exposition_n in_o this_o point_n and_o conclude_v 647._o art_n 8._o p._n 647._o that_o the_o church_n in_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a and_o trent_n forbid_v only_o such_o a_o divine_a honour_n to_o image_n
which_o we_o give_v to_o the_o saint_n as_o our_o adversary_n do_v because_o it_o be_v religious_a that_o on_o the_o contrary_a it_o ought_v to_o be_v blame_v if_o it_o be_v not_o religious_a there_o can_v be_v nothing_o more_o plain_a than_o that_o mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n opinion_n when_o he_o write_v this_o be_v that_o the_o honour_n which_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n pay_v to_o the_o bless_a virgin_n and_o saint_n depart_v be_v a_o religious_a honour_n nay_o will_v deserve_v to_o be_v blame_v if_o it_o be_v not_o religious_a this_o be_v by_o other_o think_v a_o little_a too_o ingenuous_a and_o what_o will_v give_v too_o great_a a_o advantage_n to_o our_o objection_n against_o it_o and_o therefore_o instead_o of_o that_o free_a honest_a confession_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n give_v religious_a honour_n to_o the_o bless_a virgin_n and_o saint_n depart_v he_o now_o put_v a_o doubt_n that_o insinuate_v the_o direct_a contrary_n the_o same_o church_n teach_v we_o that_o all_o religious_a worship_n ought_v to_o terminate_v in_o god_n as_o its_o necessary_a end_n and_o if_o the_o honour_n which_o she_o render_v to_o the_o bless_a virgin_n and_o to_o the_o saint_n may_v in_o some_o sense_n be_v call_v religious_a it_o be_v for_o its_o necessary_a relation_n to_o god_n so_o that_o real_o then_o the_o honour_n they_o give_v their_o saint_n in_o mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n opinion_n be_v religious_a but_o it_o be_v not_o fit_a that_o we_o shall_v know_v it_o iii_o mounseur_fw-fr daillé_fw-fr some_o year_n since_o write_v a_o volume_n of_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n concern_v the_o object_n of_o religious_a worship_n in_o which_o he_o clear_o show_v that_o the_o first_o 300_o year_n know_v nothing_o of_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n the_o worship_n of_o image_n cross_n and_o relic_n of_o the_o adoration_n of_o the_o host_n etc._n etc._n mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n in_o his_o first_o exposition_n grant_v the_o whole_a in_o these_o word_n since_o strike_v out_o for_o mounseur_fw-fr daillé_fw-fr say_v he_o he_o think_v fit_a to_o confine_v himself_o to_o the_o first_o three_o century_n in_o which_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o the_o church_n more_o exercise_v in_o suffer_v than_o in_o writing_n have_v leave_v many_o thing_n to_o be_v clear_v afterward_o both_o in_o its_o doctrine_n and_o in_o its_o practice_n 1_o edit_n p._n 9_o now_o it_o be_v evident_a notwithstanding_o this_o new_a thought_n that_o the_o suffering_n of_o the_o first_o 300_o year_n have_v not_o hinder_v but_o that_o we_o have_v very_o large_a account_n of_o its_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n from_o the_o write_n of_o those_o father_n who_o live_v in_o they_o to_o confess_v that_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o the_o tradition_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n fail_v in_o many_o thing_n both_o in_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n for_o the_o first_o 300_o year_n be_v doubtless_o as_o fair_a a_o yield_n up_o the_o cause_n as_o to_o the_o matter_n of_o tradition_n as_o we_o can_v desire_v and_o therefore_o however_o know_v by_o mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n to_o be_v most_o certain_o true_a be_v yet_o think_v too_o much_o by_o other_o to_o be_v confess_v to_o the_o world_n by_o a_o person_n of_o so_o great_a learning_n and_o eminence_n in_o their_o church_n iv_o as_o to_o the_o point_n of_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n still_o show_v we_o that_o he_o know_v not_o what_o account_n to_o give_v of_o the_o ground_n of_o it_o he_o propose_v several_a way_n how_o the_o saint_n may_v possible_o know_v our_o prayer_n but_o can_v well_o tell_v we_o by_o which_o it_o be_v they_o do_v so_o but_o in_o the_o first_o edition_n he_o show_v yet_o more_o doubt_n not_o only_o which_o way_n the_o saint_n hear_v they_o but_o whether_o they_o hear_v they_o at_o all_o or_o no_o not_o only_o whether_o they_o join_v with_o they_o in_o their_o prayer_n as_o they_o desire_v they_o to_o do_v but_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o rather_o by_o some_o other_o mean_n yet_o more_o unknown_a to_o they_o and_o not_o by_o their_o intercession_n that_o they_o receive_v the_o benefit_n of_o they_o the_o church_n say_v he_o content_v herself_o to_o teach_v with_o all_o antiquity_n these_o prayer_n to_o be_v very_o profitable_a to_o such_o who_o make_v they_o whether_o it_o be_v the_o saint_n know_v they_o by_o the_o ministry_n and_o communication_n of_o angel_n who_o according_a to_o the_o testimony_n of_o scripture_n know_v what_o pass_v among_o we_o be_v establish_v by_o god_n order_n as_o administer_a spirit_n to_o cooperate_v with_o we_o in_o the_o work_n of_o our_o salvation_n whether_o it_o be_v that_o god_n make_v know_v to_o they_o our_o desire_n by_o a_o particular_a revelation_n or_o whether_o it_o be_v that_o he_o discover_v the_o secret_a to_o they_o in_o his_o divine_a essence_n in_o which_o all_o truth_n be_v comprise_v and_o that_o in_o the_o manner_n and_o according_a to_o the_o measure_n which_o he_o please_v or_o whether_o last_o by_o some_o other_o way_n yet_o more_o impenetrable_a and_o more_o unknown_a he_o cause_v we_o to_o receive_v the_o fruit_n of_o those_o prayer_n which_o we_o address_v to_o those_o bless_a soul_n 1_o ed._n p._n 23._o so_o that_o in_o effect_n whether_o the_o saint_n hear_v we_o or_o no_o whether_o they_o join_v with_o we_o in_o our_o request_n or_o no_o according_a to_o mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n exposition_n their_o church_n know_v not_o which_o be_v sure_a a_o sufficient_a prejudice_n against_o their_o invocation_n and_o be_v it_o seem_v think_v so_o by_o those_o who_o therefore_o cause_v all_o the_o latter_a part_n of_o this_o paragraph_n to_o be_v strike_v out_o for_o fear_v of_o the_o advantage_n we_o may_v reasonable_o make_v of_o it_o v._o but_o if_o mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n in_o his_o first_o exposition_n free_o confess_v how_o uncertain_a the_o ground_n of_o this_o invocation_n be_v he_o no_o less_o free_o leave_v it_o to_o our_o choice_n whether_o we_o will_v practice_v it_o or_o not_o he_o assure_v we_o there_o be_v no_o manner_n of_o obligation_n at_o all_o upon_o we_o so_o to_o do_v and_o that_o the_o church_n will_v not_o condemn_v we_o if_o we_o do_v it_o not_o provide_v we_o refuse_v it_o not_o out_o of_o contempt_n or_o with_o a_o spirit_n of_o dissension_n and_o revolt_n furthermore_o say_v he_o there_o be_v nothing_o so_o unjust_a as_o to_o accuse_v the_o church_n of_o place_v all_o her_o piety_n in_o these_o devotion_n to_o the_o saint_n since_o on_o the_o contrary_n she_o lay_v no_o obligation_n at_o all_o on_o particular_a person_n to_o join_v in_o this_o practice_n by_o which_o it_o appear_v clear_o that_o the_o church_n condemn_v only_o those_o who_o refuse_v it_o out_o of_o contempt_n and_o by_o a_o spirit_n of_o dissension_n and_o revolt_n 1_o ed._n p._n 33_o 34._o this_o be_v monsieur_n the_o meaux_n first_o exposition_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n in_o this_o point_n but_o such_o as_o his_o corrector_n it_o seem_v will_v not_o admit_v of_o who_o therefore_o oblige_v he_o whole_o to_o strike_v out_o that_o passage_n that_o the_o church_n impose_v no_o obligation_n at_o all_o upon_o particular_a person_n to_o practice_v this_o invocation_n and_o instead_o of_o condemn_v only_o those_o that_o refuse_v it_o out_o of_o contempt_n or_o a_o spirit_n of_o dissension_n and_o revolt_n which_o have_v free_v we_o whole_o from_o their_o anathema_n to_o expound_v it_o now_o more_o severe_o that_o she_o condemn_v those_o who_o refuse_v this_o practice_n whether_o out_o of_o disrespect_n or_o error_n which_o will_v be_v sure_a to_o bring_v we_o under_o it_o vi_o in_o the_o article_n of_o image_n mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n have_v first_o lay_v down_o this_o foundation_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v not_o attribute_n to_o they_o any_o other_o virtue_n than_o that_o of_o exciting_a in_o we_o the_o remembrance_n of_o those_o who_o they_o represent_v add_v in_o his_o first_o exposition_n which_o be_v suppress_v it_o be_v in_o this_o consist_v the_o use_n and_o advantage_n of_o image_n 1_o edit_n p._n 25._o and_o to_o assure_v we_o yet_o further_o how_o little_a honour_n they_o have_v for_o they_o conclude_v thus_o so_o that_o to_o speak_v proper_o and_o according_a to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a style_n we_o do_v not_o so_o much_o honour_v the_o image_n of_o a_o apostle_n or_o martyr_n as_o we_o do_v honour_v the_o apostle_n or_o martyr_n in_o presence_n of_o the_o image_n 1_o edit_n p._n 26._o now_o though_o we_o do_v not_o doubt_v but_o that_o this_o be_v the_o real_a opinion_n of_o mounseur_fw-fr de_fw-fr meaux_n and_o all_o which_o he_o himself_o do_v yet_o to_o say_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v neither_o require_v nor_o practice_v nor_o intend_v any_o more_o be_v to_o presume_v