Selected quad for the lemma: honour_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
honour_n	image_n	worship_n	worship_v	5,699	5	9.5098	5	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A59834	A papist not misrepresented by Protestants being a reply to the Reflections upon the Answer to (A papist misrepresented and represented.)	Sherlock, William, 1641?-1707.	1686 (1686)	Wing S3306; ESTC R8108	38,154	74

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