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A01463 A declaration of suche true articles as George Ioye hath gone about to confute as false Gardiner, Stephen, 1483?-1555. 1546 (1546) STC 11589; ESTC S102856 115,978 363

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vs in that when we were synners christ wolde dye for vs muche more therefore nowe we beinge iustified in his bloude shall be preserued by hym from wrath What faithfull herte towched with this incomparable loue out of fayth knoweledge is not humbled with feare and confession of his synnes to god and is not heuye and repentaunte detesting his synnes saieng Shall I any more commyt that thinge whiche hath broughte this my so louynge a sauyour to so shamefull and paynefull a passion This is oure faith which cleaueth to the mooste certayne promyse of god and not to Wynch waueryng vnstable condicion This is our faith and substaunciall certitude the most ferme persuasion without any wauerynge of the merciable free forgeuenes and gracyous absolucyon of oure sinnes by the promyse of our father celestial in christes bloud hath her own proper correlatiue the promyse of god euer correspondent and not Win. knowledge of the fulfillynge of his condiciō This is the forme of oure iustification by fayth onely whiche attributeth all glorye to god as dyd Abraham and his chylderne and as many as haue vnfaynedly receyued christes gospell But let Wyn. worke on styll his wycked workes vnto thattaynement of his pharisaicall iustification before men vntyll the axe nowe bent vnto his rotis he be sodenly smiten downe of god For Passur must be turned as Ieremy sayth into Pauor his arrogant vpclymyng extollynge of him selfe aboue god must haue a shamefull soden fearfull fall These arrogant articles maye be well called the false articles of Winchesters false faith and not of christs faith For Christ confirmed his articles euermore with the law and prophetes but Win. bringeth not one worde of god for him to proue his Wherfore let them be his owne articles armed wyth his owne proud autoritie For we may not beleue hym thus exaltynge hym selfe aboue Christe whiche euer alleged the scryptures for his doctrine to be confyrmed we may not beleue my Lorde vicare generall for his high lordely supercilious pharisaicall lookes Wherefore if this Gardiner will seme to be learned lette him aunswer now with goddes worde and not dispute with poore men in his fetters and presons with his fumisshe threates fyery fagottes presonyng and persecutyng the pore innocent membres of christ for weldoinge purely frelye faithfullye preachinge goddes worde castinge of his blodhoundes into euery citie and towne to hunt out the christen simple sely flocke of christ as he of late made Wyllyam Castelyn Gouerner of the marchaunt aduenteres at Anwerpe cheiflye to hunt out such as purely and frely write and set forth bookes vnto the glory of god edifienge of christes churche and to warne men of Wynch false doctrine For this Gouerner of other men whiche coulde neuer wel gouerne hym selfe is more mete to rowe in a galey or to holde the plough then to gouerne so worshiple and honeste a company But the lorde is a lyue and heareth of these Moabites pride and blode thirstinge he seeth their secrete wiked counsels and heareth their bostinge proude crakes their supercilyous arrogancy is well knowne vnto me sayth the Lorde but yet for all their luciferine pride promotyng and extolling them selues and one an other to serue their traitourouse turnes and mutuall mischeif yet shall they neuer bringe about their wicked enforcementes For it is God that deposeth such myghtye mischeuouse from their seates and exalteth the humble It is the lorde that skatereth their wiked counsels trappeth them in theyr owne pride blodye cogitacions But let all christen kinges and Prynces beware howe they geue their swerde into suche popisshe prelates handes lest the innocent bloude be-required of god at their handes to whome be praise for euer Amen Truth it is that he whiche knoweth nether the father nor christ shall neuer beleue Christ to be an hole perfyt and sufficient sauyour and forgeuer of synnes but he shall wynde in this croked condicion of Wyn. and deuyde his iustificacion part if he geue not all to workes and part to god as did the Iewes and nowe the Turkes and suche like heithen miscreauntes whiche neuer knew god the father in by christ yea they shall deuyse and imagyn in their own opinions for true faith haue they none such workes for goddes honour as thē selues thinke to make most for a great kynges honour as to be accompanied with many men fetched in with many torches candels at none daye lyghted to hym whiche is the very lyght it selfe These blinde worshippers wyll make god an image thereby to worship him whiche idollatrye the seconde commaundement vtterlye forbyddeth They wyll worshyp him with golde perle precious stones veluete clothe of golde c. They sence synge rynge hym in with belles as they were wont to do the bishops They pipe hym vp with orgaynes all the costly pleasaunt externe rites and ceremonies as sencinge processions that can be deuysed for to please great men they vse the same to worshyppe god withall when Christ sayde God my father is a spirite and in spirite and truth wyl he be worshipped ▪ yea these wordly wicked blind Bisshops are so farre caste away for their wickednes turned vp of god into their owne hertes lustes and into a reprobate dampned mynde that they know not god fro man mortal Oh good god what mynde may this be Verelye Paule expresseth it and the cause whye god worthelye thus casteth them vp sayenge What so euer men oughte to know of god the same hath god shewed them as his almyghtye power godbeade yea that by the creacion creatures of the worlde if they wolde diligently and humblye loke vpon and expend them so that they be without any excuse of anye ignoraunce But when god had geuen Wynche this knoweledge of hym then yet he worshypped nor glorified hym not as god but as he wolde worshyppe anye other worldlye prince with outwarde rites and ceremonies neither doth he geue him thankes but sheweth his owne vaine curiosite and curiouse vanite in his owne reasonynge and disputinge for goddes moost glorious honour in so much that he hath nowe blindened his owne ignorant herte and wherein he thought to haue done moost wisely for gods worshyp and glorye there doth he mooste folyshlye and cruellye shewynge hym selfe a very foole as Paule saith turnynge vp the worshyppe of god incorruptible through his owne imaginacions to worshyppe hym after his owne fonde deuises And for this cause hath god thus cast him vp through his owne hertes lustes into al maner prodigious and beastlye fylthynes receiuinge into hym selfe the worthye rewarde of his owne erroure And forbicause sayeth Paule he doth sette at naughte so presente knoweledge of god nowe opened vnto hym and to all other that wyll embrace christ and his word therefore doth God turne him vp into this detestable opinion of his owne false iustification into so lothelye and abhominable reprobate bloudye mynde that in prisoninge persecuting fagottyng burnynge and slayeng
●nd predesti●atiō of god ●o be worship●ed in silēce after our capacitie and so to worshyppe the election and predestinaciō of god in silēce as we adde not therunto thimaginacion of an ac● passed alredy in god by reason wherof we myghte dreame that in our choyse or endeuor when god offreth his gyftes vnto vs we came to late because god in our fansie hath determyned his pleasure alredy that can not be chaunged For the consideration of tyme whiche in our vnderstandynge passeth ouer compared with the acte of god beynge in dede withoute any tyme encombreth our wyttes and vnderstandynges in the conceiuyng of the matter where as the tyme beynge disseuered in our vnderstandynge from gods acte which tyme maketh to vs a thoughte of before after we be deliuered of the repugnaunce Note this that tyme dyd engendre and oure argumentes taken away from naturall wytte which were groūded al vpō time wherby we be dryuen from reasonynge to a silence meruelynge and worshyppyng as we shuld do alwayes the hyghe mysteries of god farre excedynge our capacite And in this wyse some haue learnedly reuerently entreated this matter not with presumption to discusse it absolutely but with an humble and reuerent meke spirite to note that myght be truely considered in the same and finally to lerne vs that in dede we knowe not ne can not knowe this high matter thoroughly because the meanes of oure knowledge be taken away and so the thynges hidden from vs wherin we may not do as arrogant artificers be accustomed to do who when they perceyue not in dede the counsayle of hym that deuysed fyrst any platte they take vpon thē neuerthelesse to set the frame together marre some principal postes or cast them out as vaine because they can not tell howe to ioyne thē with the rest whom such mē folow who because they can not tell howe to frame gods choise mans choise togither they mangle and denye mans choise and cast it away as vayne beinge a principall parte to be beleued in our religion Thus much as I haue redde and lerned I vtter it wherby to teach you soberly as muche knowledge as I haue that is to say ignoraunce in this matter In this ye mayster Ioye wyll agree with me that I haue toulde you ignoraunce and call it meere ygnoraunce and say I haue shewed my selfe in tossynge and syftynge of wordes to exercyse the crafte of ignoraunce not to teache but to blynd not to giue lyghte but to darken so as albeit ye rude men can not aunswere to the sophistry of the argumentes yet the matter in the vnderstandynge as ye wyll saye remaineth as it dyd for in what so euer wordes we shuld speake it or though we want wordes to speake it the thing is thus in your opinion as foloweth Fyrst god is before man was Anteque Abraham fieret ego sum Christ sayd And whether before signifieth tyme or no tyme whereof your playne scolers wyll say they can no skyll before is before and not after and why call we it the prouidence of god but because it is a foresight and none after syght ne withsight predestination lykewise a former decre prescience a former knowledge And to charge me further you mayster Ioye wyll note to youre scolers that I my self speake somtyme after the same sorte and say god choseth vs fyrst god preuēteth vs with his grace and what is preuenteth but cōmeth before and god prepareth mans wil that is to saye maketh ready before And god calleth before he iustifieth and god iustifieth before he glorifieth And when scripture speaketh of this sort I my selfe also then ye wyll saye I make a trouble in the consideration of tyme and cause my tyme in wryting and yours in readynge to passe ouer without fruit For whē ye rede me ye fynd your selfe perplexed entangled with wordes but whē ye haue wound your self frō those thorny wordes the thing is in youre mynde as it was before Hereunto I wil say somwhat that if ye like your selfe in youre owne fansy so well as whatsoeuer ye conceiue for truth is euer also to you true in the sorte ye comprehēd it I marueile not though my wordes be not frutefull to you for I go aboute to teache you ignoraūce you be so asotted and dotyng vpon the false persuasion of knoweledge that ye can not abide to haue your pleasaunt opinion remoued and taken from you As he that in his fransye thought all that he sawe to be his owne was sorye when he was healed of his fransye thinkyng him self to haue loste a greate losse to se hym selfe then so poore For els yf ye lyst to make this foundacion that man seeth no more of God then God hath shewed and reueled by his scriptures and that all the scrypture is so vniforme in sense as it is al but one worde which admitteth no repugnance or contrariete and therewith remēbre that wordes of scripture althoughe in respecte of the matter they conteine they be in dede be called holly so to be reuerenced and honoured as an ymage representynge gods wyll vnto vs and therefore at the speakinge of them in presence of the multitude do put of our cappe bowe Englysshe speache latelye made by englyssh men as we now speake it placed to expres god or any godly thing may be honored not with godly honor but with reuerent behauiour without daunger of idolatry yet those wordes as wordes be in dede wordes of our common language in Englysshe and suche as disseuered and remoued a part from that hollymatter men put to other prophane vses by reason whereof we may easlye deceiue our selues in them and be daylye deceyued And moreouer yf we coulde considre that it is a more shame cōfusion and rebuke to vs to be noted in an error of blusterynge knowledge then to be accompted in the numbre of symple ignorauntes And finally that in consideration of god and his workes after knowledge by faythe that god certainly is we shuld rather study to knowe howe muche we knowe not of god then to presume to knowe all He that were thus instructed and prepared by gods grace he wolde as diligently lerne to condempne his owne knoweledge with his ignoraūce as to auaūce his vnderstanding to that may be atteyned And to suche one yf he considre that is before written I shall be seene not only to haue touched the wordes but also the matter which I specially entended wherin I laboured to declare that scripture whiche reueleth god vnto vs by faith doth not in the wordes alwaies fully signify that we gather of thē but be written sometime to do vs vnderstand the thing to be in god or wrought by him withoute cyrcumstaunce of the measure of tyme as we conceyue it For when christ sayd Before Abraham was I am the tyme in this speache is not after our measure for the presente Tens in God is placed in the speache before the pretertens