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Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
honour_n	doctrine_n	double_a	elder_n	1,742	5	9.4785	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A28899	A defence of the Scriptures, and the Holy Spirit speaking in them, as the chiefe iudge of controversies of faith ... with a vindication of that honour due to magistrates, ministers, and others ... in a relation of a disputation at Chesterfield in the county of Darby, between some ministers of the Gospell and James Naylor, an erring Quaker ... : with some animadversions upon a lying relation of that disputation, published by Iames Nayler / by Immanuel Bourne ...	Bourne, Immanuel, 1590-1672.	1656 (1656)	Wing B3852; ESTC R23281	45,977	64

this purpose was the Argument but shorter Naylers Answer Then Nayler was constrained to acknowledge that a naturall father might bee called father by his child and a civill master might bee called master by his servant but that it was not lawfull for any other to give or receive such honour or titles of honour as father or master or the like or to that effect Although this acknowledgement of Naylers was contrary to the Doctrine and practice even of Nayler himselfe and divers of his fellow Quakers and proselytes as the uncivill carriage of some of them towards their naturall parents and civill masters and of others towards Magistrates and Ministers doth witnesse at full Mr Gardiner Minister of Eckinton Mr Gurdiner a good Disputant as I remember seeing Nayler wrangle and endeavour to shift off from the Question began to presse Nayler with an Argument But before Mr Gardiner could speake out his Argument Naylers Reply Nayler would not heare him but he and some other of his sellow Quakers that stood by him cried out aloud lyar lyar stop thy mouth and made a clamouring noise against him to cause him to hold his peace Mr Gardiner To whom Mr Gardiner seeing Nayler's so uncivill unchristian and unreasonable behaviour Replied fie on thee thou unreasonable man thou art not fit to be reasoned with or to that purpose and so turned his backe upon him Mr Bournes Argument Then Mr Bourne called aloud to Nayler againe and bad him leave his uncivill rayling and reviling speeches and loud clamours and hearken to an Argument to prove it which was to this effect That title of honour which St Paul did give to Festus who was none of his naturall father nor civill master that it is lawfull for Christians to give now to those who are neither naturall fathers nor ordinary civill masters But read Acts 26. and you may finde that St Paul stiled Festus noble Festus which is a title of honour and high respect and therefore it is lawfull now to give honourable titles to such as are neither naturall parents nor civill masters and to be given by such as are neither naturall children nor meniall or hired servants or to this end was the Argument Naylers Answer Nayler answered those were noble Romans and deserved honour c. But now c. as if he thought now we had none so worthy to whom such honour should be given for to my best observation this was the sence of his broken speech for hee did not speake whole sentences but wrangled about giving honour and said howsoever honour might be given to naturall parents or civill masters yet how could we prove that any that professed themselves Ministers of Christ should be called master or father contrary to that of Christ Mat. 23. noted before where he said Christ did particularly forbid his Apostles and ministers to be so called Mr Bournes Reply To which Mr Bourne replied Nayler and bad him reade again that place Mat. 23.1 2. and thou shalt find that Christ did speake there to the multitude as well as to his Disciples and what in that text he did not forbid others he did not forbid them Consider the Text fully and thou maiest see it plaine if thou hast eies to see Naylers Answer Nayler according to his custome instead of other Answers cried out it is false it is false prove that any Minister of Christ should be called master or father or have any such honour given to them or to that effect Mr Maudesley Mr Maudesly Minister of Dronfield being neer to Nayler as I remember brought an Argument from that place Eccl. 12.11 The words of the wise are like goads fastened by the masters of the Assemblies And if by the Masters of the Assemblies be intended teachers of Gods people and Ministers of Christ then it is lawfull for them to be called masters because the Spirit of God in Solomon calleth them so But this is apparent that by masters he meaneth teachers therefore it is lawfull to call the ministers of Christ who are teachers of Gods people masters or to that purpose Naylers Answer But James Nayler sings still his old song liar liar no such thing is intended there and wrangled ignorantly about the sence of that place as nothing concerning ministers in the New Testament Mr Bournes Argument Then Mr Bourne bad Nayler to heare an Argument out of the New Testament from that place of the Apostle to Timothy 1 Tim. 5.17 Let the Elders that rule well be accounted worthy of double honour especially them that labour in the word and doctrine to this effect If preaching Elders that labour in the word and doctrine be worthy of double honour then the faithfull labouring ministers of Christ are worthy of honour but preaching Elders who labour in the word and doctrine are worthy of double honour witnesse the Apostle in that place 1 Tim. 5. therefore the ministers of Christ who labour in the word and doctrine are worthy of honour and so may lawfully have honour given them yea that honour which is due to them that is not only the honour of maintenance but the honour of reverence and esteem let a man esteem of us as ministers of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God 1 Cor. 4.12 Nailers Answer This was not so fully pressed then But Nayler answered and said The ministers of Christ they must bee honoured in the Lord but not be called master or father and have any outward honour And still Nayler wrangled and turned to those people neer him not answering the Argument but railed at ministers for suffering our selves to be called masters vapouring in contemptuous termes but bringing no word of proofe at all Mr Bournes Argument Mr Bourne bad Nayler leave off his vapouring or to that effect and hearken to another Scripture 1 Cor. 4.15 where St Paul did take to himselfe the name of father of the Corinthians their spirituall father though you have ten thousand instructers saith he yet yee have not many fathers for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the Gospell Now if Paul as a minister of Christ converting soules did lawfully take to himself the name of father Then the faithfull ministers of Christ who convert men and women to Christ may lawfully take to themselves the name of father but this was lawfull for blessed Paul therefore it is lawfull also for all the faithfull ministers of Christ Jesus who turne men to God to take to themselves the name of father and so to be called masters or sirs which is a title of honour and respect For what title was lawfull to that blessed Apostle and Silas preachers of the Gospel to receive from men and they did accept that as lawfull now to Gods faithfull ministers But it was lawfull for the Apostle Paul and Silas to receive the title of sirs or masters 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Domini Sirs or Masters a title of honour and they did accept of that title of honour