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A85418 Theomachia; or The grand imprudence of men running the hazard of fighting against God, in suppressing any way, doctrine, or practice, concerning which they know not certainly whether it be from God or no. Being the substance of two sermons, preached in Colemanstreet, upon occasion of the late disaster sustain'd in the west. With some necessary enlargements thereunto. / By John Goodvvin, pastor of the Church of God there. Goodwin, John, 1594?-1665. 1644 (1644) Wing G1206; Thomason E12_1; ESTC R5086 47,494 57

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awaken the eye of jealousie upon them and so is seven times more destructive unto and undermining not only of their power but of their honour peace and safety also then any thing that is found in the Way so ill intreated so is it the setling of a power upon the electors of such persons I mean upon the promiscuous multitude of the Land a greater power then ever Jesus Christ himself had at least then ever he exercised For as dare Regem argues a greater power then esse Regem as hee that buildeth an house hath more honour then the house Heb. 3. 3. So to nominate and appoint who shall have power to umpire in matters of conscience and of God to determine what shall be preached and what not what shall be believed and what not is a branch of a greater root of power then the exercise of the power that is committed unto others in this behalf Now though Jesus Christ had a power and was authorized by God to be a Law-giver himself unto his Churches and Saints in their spirituall Republique yet it is hard to prove that ever he invested any other with such a power His Apostles themselves were no Lords over the Faith of the Saints nor had they any power or authority to impose any thing upon men as necessary either to be believed or practised but what they had in expresse commission and charge from Jesus Christ himself to impose upon such terms So that notwithstanding that severe angry contestation of the fore-mentioned Gentleman against the two Brethren with their fellows Is this your so much boasted of preaching writing fighting for the rights priviledges of Parliament whereby he thinks to dash both them and that their boasting together out of countenance though they boast neither little nor much of any thing boasting is their charge not their crime they only say and that with modesty yet blessed be God they are able to maintain and make good that their boasting if it must needs be so called in the sight of God and Angels and men and Devils and whatsoever besides is named not only in this world but in that also which is to come And though he hath done like himself and I speak it to his honour far above the line of many others in vindicating the rights and priviledges of Parliament yet absit verbo invidia I am very confident that there are thousands of that Way and judgement against which his pen riseth up with so much indignation who rateably and according to their means and opportunities have quitted themselves upon equall terms of honour love and faithfulnesse towards those honourable Houses with himself 4. And lastly It were no task of much labour or difficulty to demonstrate that the Way in the defence whereof we have thus far appeared is so far from carrying any malignity or seed of danger in it to the State or persons invested with civill power that it is of a manifest and rich compliance both with the one and the other He that commanded to give unto Cesar the things that are Cesars and unto God the things that are Gods did Cesar as much if not more service in the latter command as in the former Silver and gold wood and stone never got any thing by having an artificiall deity bestowed upon them and being worshiped but only a meer proximity to destruction They that should only have said unto Herod that he had spoken like a sober and well advised man might have shewed as much affection to him yea and honoured him upon better terms then they that shouted I●s the voyce of a God and not of a man There is no foundation so sure and precious to build the honour peace and safety of Cesar upon as a stone duly pitched for a land-mark between God and him But if there be a question or difficult case between God and Cesar whether such and such things belong unto the one or unto the other they will be found the best and faithfullest Counsellors unto Cesar who shall advise him rather to surrender unto then to claim a doubtfull right or priviledge from God The Way we speak of is so ingenuous loyall and true-hearted to men in place of civill authority and power that it teacheth her sons to expose themselves unto their displeasure for the procurement of their good which even the heathen themselves have attested for one of the best and least questionable signs of true friendship and love To these answers of objections I thought to have added some positive arguments whereby the Way now little more then only defended might have gained the honour of a more perfect conformity to the Will and Word of God then perhaps hath been discovered or seen hitherto Yet I cannot but think that the vailes of the principall objections which covered the face of it being rent and torn the beauty and brightnesse of it must needs shine forth in the eyes of all those who have not sacrificed unto partiality To close with a word of exhortation The premises considered as we love the things of our peace and desire the speedy dispersion and scattering of that dark and black cloud still hanging and hovering over our heads and threatning more fiery storms tempests of desolation and blood upon us and to see the heavens cleering up and looking like Crystall or Saphire over us as we desire to see those terrible swarms of Locusts and Caterpillars which now devour and eat up our good land daily swept away and carried by a strong west wind into the midst of the sea that so we may be fed again with the ancient heritage of our fathers I mean plenty safety and peace if there be any bowels any compassions in us towards our nation so far spent wasted with misery towards our cities and habitations towards our friends towards our selves towards any thing which is dear either to the one or to the other let us be exhorted to take heed of fighting against God let it be the first-born of religious advisements and cautions to us not to be fierce no nor so much as to lift up an hard thought against Doctrine or Way claiming origination and descent from God till wee have security upon security conditions as cleer as the noon-day that they are but counterfeits and pretenders only and stand in no relation at all but that of enmity and opposition unto God Particularly let us be tender above all tenderness to act to the value of the least hair of our heads in any way of bitterness or blood against that Way of governing the Churches of Christ which hath by so many good hands been presented unto us as most agreeable unto the Word and Will of God untill we see the condemnation of it written with a beam of the Sun by the finger of God himself untill he hath disclaimed or renounced it from heaven either by giving such wisdome unto men whereby to detect the error and vanity of it or else hath quite rased it out of the fleshly tables of the hearts of his Saints and distrest servants The motion and matter is of a most serious and formidable importance therefore let me exhort you yet once more to beware of men as our Saviour adviseth in a case of lesse consequence to take heed that no man either through passionate exclamations and outcries or through any faire or flourishing pretences whatsoever draw your foot into this snare ingage you in any such warfare wherein for ought you know you shall fight against God If your judgements stand off from the cause wee speak of for the present and you can see nothing of God in it you may please to consider that this was the case of many thousands amongst you in whom there is much of God and in whose heart is this Way as a Way of his If they be deceived in imbracing it God will shew mercy unto them in revealing the truth unto them in due time But if you shall be deceived in the violence and fury of your fighting against it is it not much to be feared that you will be intangled with the guilt of such a sin which shall not be purged from you till yee die FINIS 1 King 21. 10. 2 Cor. ● 8. Joh. 8. 32. ● See M●● ● 6 a●● 〈◊〉 1● ●● Interim or aculi instar nobis esse debet quòd Dei cōsilia nullis ●omm● viribus imped reposse humana verò suá sp●nte collabi discimus Gual Homil. 37. an Act Psal. 2. 1 2 3. Reason 1. Luk. 1● 49. Reason 2. Reason 3. Acts 9. Rom. 10. 2. Acts 18. 2● Job 9. 4. * In severall populous towns in the Low Countries scarce every 5th nay not every 8th person as I have been credibly informed is immembred into any of their Churches and yet the government of the Nation is reputed Presbyteriall 1 Joh. 5. 19. 2 Cor. ●● 14. Mat 21. 31. Mat. 23. 15. Eccles. 10. 19. John 9. 2● Psal. 62. 4. Prov. 13. 10. Esa. 9. 21. Gen. 16. Prov. 12. 27. Prov. 20. 21. Hab. 2. 12. Luk. 12. 51. c. Matth. 20. 6. 1 Cor. 11. 29. Isa. 36. 7. Gen. 3. 5. Psal. 105. 15. Psal. 69. 2● Ver. 25. Ioh. 11. 48. Isa. 6. 10. Psal. 52. 9. Act. 20 35. 1 Cor. 4. 15. 1 Cor. 3. 10. Hebr. 7. 7. 1 Sam. 25. 30 31. Dan. 12. 3. Eccles. 9. 11. 2 Cor. 14. 11. Luk. 10 21. * {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Greg. Naz. ep. 5● ad Procop●um Act. 10. 40. 41 Judg. 7. 2. E●●k 14. 3. 2 Cor. 1. 24. Prov. 24. 6. Eccles. 9. 15. Dan. 6. 10. 22. Independency examined unmask'd c. Matth. 22. 21. Act 12. 22. Phil. 3. 15. Isa. 22. 14.
affections of the rest though conscientious and learned to a degree So that upon the matter and just accompt the resolution● of Councels and Synods themselves are but the fruits or putting-forth of the learning and judgement of a very few men and whether these be alwayes of the most conscientious I had rather others should consider then I determine The last objection designed for present examination is this that the intent and project of this way is ambitious high and dangerous that it affecteth a Dictatorship Ecclesiasticall a power of Law-giving that it undermines Civill or Parliamentary Authoritie c. But to this also we answer omitting what was formerly said concerning extravagant height of accusations and charges and the slender probabilitie of truth in them as likewise concerning the speciall disposition of God in ordering the malice or ill will of those that are enemies either to his people or wayes still to shoote the arrowes of their accusations against their b●e●s●plate of righteousnesse where it is strongest and least penetrable 1. That there is not the least colour no nor the least colour of a colour to charge any ambitious or Dictator-like designe upon this Way The reason is because the most essentiall int●insecall and fundamentall principles of it stand diametrally bent against all dictatoring and law-giving by men in the things of God The Sunne may with as much or more reason be suspected of consulting darknesse against the world as this Way of meditating or projecting any Authoritative greatnesse unto it self in this kinde Indeed when it degenerates from it self and passeth into another kind there may be some danger and fear of this Way as there is that Honey should turn into choler when the native property of it is altered by the stomack A Congregationall man become a Classique may as soon as another make a Son of such a designe as is specified in the objection 2. If the Way wee speak of should be so contradictory to her self as to desire or project such a Kingdome as she stands charged with in the Objection yet should not the world have the least cause to fear her prosecutions or executions in this kinde If the Lamb in the fold should threaten or project the slaughter and destruction of all the Lions in the Wildernesse had these ever the more cause to be afraid of her The kingdomes and powers of this world need not fear either the numbers or power of the Saints for taking away their crowns or breaking the scepters of their rule and government untill the world that now is be translated into that which is to come And therefore 3. Whereas this Way is further arrested by the Objection for a Pioner and underminer of Magistracy or Parliamentary Authority I answer that there is no more in this Way to undermine or endanger any Civill Authority or Power whatsoever then there was in Daniels heart to prejudice the life and honour of the King when hee prayed three times a day contrary to the Kings commandement or then was in Pauls Doctrine of Justification by Faith to make voyd the writings of Moses or the Law whereby indeed he did establish it as himself affirmeth Rom. 3. 31. though the Jewes apprehended and charged him with the contrary And doubtlesse the learned Gentleman who undertakes the unmasking of Independency which never wore any is in an utter mistake not only of the intentions of the two Brethren of this Way who ever they were whose words he citeth p. 3. of his late Examination but also of the rationall and Grammaticall construction and import of the words For whereas they say that a man may as well bring a clean thing out of an unclean as make a spirituall extraction ●●t of a se 〈…〉 the Gentleman will needs interpret that they make both Parliament and Assembly secular and unclean whereas by the tenor and carriage of the whole passage it is as clear as the Sun that in neither of these expressions they reflect either upon the one or the other no nor yet in those following words wherein they affirm that it will be demonstratively prov'd against their adversary who makes the Law of the State the first and most considerable band or tye upon men for their submission to his Church-government that he resolves the government of the Churches of Christ in the last resolution of it into the humors wills and pleasures of the world yea of the vilest and most unworthy of men And therefore whereas upon his citation of these words his demand is Brethren bona verba quaeso the Brethren upon his interpretation of them have far more reason to make this request unto him Brother bonam glossam quaesum●● The words are good if the interpretation did but answer For doubtlesse the Brethren in the mentioned period and expressions reflected only upon the generality of the people in the Land who according to the Lawes of the Land yea according to the principles of all reason and equity have the right of nominating persons into the places of Parliamentary trust and power but have no Authority or power from Christ to nominate or appoint who shall be the men that shall order the affairs of Christs Kingdome or institute the government of his Churches These and especially the ignorant and irreligious part of them which they that know any thing concerning the generality of the Kingdome for matters of Religion must needs know to be far the greater part in every place are that secular root out of which the Brethren conceive an impossibility that a spirituall extraction should be made that is that a legitimate Ecclesiastique power should according to the minde of Christ or any precept or president of Scripture be by them conferred upon any man and this impossibility conceived by them they only illustrate and declare by that parallel expression in Job Who can bring a cleane thing out of an uncleane When they imply that men unworthy and strangers to the power of godlinesse and matters of Religion have the right and power of conferring Parliamentary trust and power upon persons chosen by them hereinto they reflect not the least touch of prejudice or disparagement upon the persons honoured with that choyce First because there is no other way no nor is there any conveniency or lawfulnesse of any way whereby to ascend the height of the interest and honour but such a choyce And secondly the votes and voyces of such men being carried upon persons of honour worth and Religion demonstrates that there was so much the more of God in their election which is so far from diminishing their honour in the least that it add● double and treble unto it But to hold that the persons so elected as hath been said have a power by vertue of such nomination or election to enact Laws and Statutes in matters of Religion and to order under mulcts and penalties how men shall worship and serve God as it is a means to