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A49112 A continuation and vindication of the Defence of Dr. Stillingfleet's Unreasonableness of separation in answer to Mr. Baxter, Mr. Lob, &c. containing a further explication and defence of the doctrine of Catholick communication : a confutation of the groundless charge of Cassandrianism : the terms of Catholick communion, and the docrine of fundamentals explained : together with a brief examination of Mr. Humphrey's materials for union / by the author of The defence. Long, Thomas, 1621-1707. 1682 (1682) Wing L2964; ESTC R21421 191,911 485

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he_o will_v have_v but_o little_a thanks_o for_o it_o neither_o from_o papist_n nor_o protestant_n not_o from_o papist_n who_o call_v the_o french_a protestant_n schismatic_n and_o therefore_o do_v not_o own_v they_o to_o be_v any_o part_n of_o their_o national_a church_n nor_o from_o the_o protestant_n who_o do_v as_o much_o abhor_v to_o be_v think_v member_n of_o the_o popish_a church_n and_o yet_o this_o be_v such_o a_o legal_a national_a church_n as_o mr._n h._n contend_v for_o unite_v under_o one_o prince_n who_o according_a to_o his_o principle_n be_v the_o accidental_a head_n of_o this_o accidental_a national_a church_n and_o yet_o this_o union_n do_v not_o cure_v the_o schism_n for_o they_o still_o be_v two_o distinct_a and_o separate_a church_n and_o be_v account_v schismatic_n to_o each_o other_o there_o be_v but_o two_o or_o three_o thing_n so_o far_o as_o i_o can_v observe_v whereon_o mr._n h._n find_v this_o national_a union_n