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A97161 A discourse concerning the Engagement: or, The northern subscribers plea opposed to their dissenting neighbors importune animosities against engaging to be true and faithful, &c. Tending to beget a calm compliance in all the consciencious lovers of truth and peace. / Laid together by N.W. a friend to the Common-wealth. N. W. 1650 (1650) Wing W85; Thomason E590_8; ESTC R204160 21,163 24

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and Majestick Hence we fell to a debate whether we had not already yea whether most men had not interpretativè owned the Powers in Being viz. by submitting their cases to tryal in that course of law which fetcheth its formality and original from them and is dispensed by their substitutes and inferior Officers and those of us who are Lawyers whether by pleading at the Bar and owning their Judges as proprietors of the Bench we did not own those who Commissioned them yea whether all of us in paying them tribute have not set our seal to their Authority and its lawfulness if we have gone this mile with them how should we refuse to go the other mile too even to give them honor and fear as well as tribute Rom. 13.7 Render therefore to all their dues tribute to whom tribute custome to whom custome fear to whom fear and honor to whom honor be longeth if nothing had belonged to them we should have given them-nothing real acknowledgments always in the sense of wise men overweighing verbal disownings Lastly those of us who are Ministers found our selves surprized by our own prayers for them as men possest of power to give them homage by our making request to God that they might use their talents well we found this included that they had their talents from God we have owned them in their declarations days of thanksgiving and humiliation and we think it but straining at a gnat if we should refuse to set our hands to engage with them who have had our tongues yea sure and our * Peccant qui d ssidium cordis linguae faciunt c. 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Mirand Ep. hearts likewise at their commands and disposall as to such duties Hence reflecting upon our wayes we fell to a more deliberate and strict scrutiny whether all this were well done and justifiable yea or no being solemnly put upon it at the instance of our own consciences that we might be both void of offence towards God and towards men and by the confident and ill-boding presumptions of many knowing and considerable persons against the present Authority Act. 24.19 decrying its lawfulness and in their discourses taking it as for granted that no conscientious man could own the Parliament as now constituted or its power We thought sure their reasons are 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 very ponderous which disoblige them from that visible Authority over us but all that we could gather from them fell very much below our expectations and being weighed in the ballance proved far too light for what might be laid against it Our consciences suggesting ready and as we thought full answers to their most material and weighty alledgments and finding our selves able to set reason against reason yea had it becomed us confidence against confidence meeting with perswasions to a complyance and closure with the Parliament stronger then any perswasions to disunion we thought it not best to take up with vox populi being an insufficient warrant for any mans refusal to co-engage or fall in with the Authority but diligently to search whether we ought to go forward or backward and the more we enquired into the minde of God concerning us the more we found this duty for which we plead cleared up to our consciences Now the principal Arguments offering themselves to us for this purpose and prevailing above us were these 1. The Being of these present powers over us from God which we found Argum. 1 thus made out unto us 1. All constitutions have their making and marring their standing and falling from God frames of Government indeed are resolved by him into the peoples * will Deut. 17.14 as the next and immediat cause of their specification or formality and what kinde of Government they will for their own good the Lord sets his Seal upon it as owning and approving it this is clear in that translation of Government from the Judges in Israel and the setting up of Kingly Power in the person of Saul 1 Sam. 8.9 10 12. Chapters But that here is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the hand of God in the VVills of men in these cases appears from his appropriating such changes to himself both as to persons and things Ezek 21.27 Zachar. 11.10 14. Hos 13.11 Ier. 18.4 Act. 13.10 21 22. The Policies of Nations are some of Gods VVorks upon the wheeles which he orders and frames as seemeth good to himself man is the instrument and subject in all changes but the being or not being of them must be resolved into Gods VVill as the Supream and Primordial cause He doth according to his VVill in the Army of Heaven and among the Inhabitants of the Earth and none can stay his hand or say unto him What dost thou Dan. 4.35 But here men put in with a full cry We desired not Object or willed this change of Government this new Frame or Modell superinduced over us nor yet can we content our selves with it To this we Answer some men desired it others did not Answ in this case the prevailing not the worsted or overborn party may lay claim to the signature of Divine approbation or at least to the concurrence of Gods * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Clem. Alex. Admonit ad Gentes absolute Will without which no purposes and by which all purposes are brought to pass and established Psa 33.11 12. This is seen in Rehoboams rejection 1 Kings 12.15.24 The Text tells us that the cause and the thing was from God Again when the people were divided about the choice of a King 1 Kings 16.21 22. the prevailing party were owned in their choice God never manifesting any dislike of it nor ever reproving Omry or his Successors for usurpation And if this hold good in the choice of a Governor why may it not in the choice of a Government and then surely that is of God which by his Providence is superinduced over us though its superinduction be never so much stomack't by the surly wills of many of most men 2. That place of Scripture Rom. 13.1 amongst many others is very full and pregnant to prove the Being of our present Powers from God Not only Magistracy in common is his Ordinance as King and Soveraign of the whole Earth but the specifical Powers that * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 be likewise are by the Ordination of God as the first and chief cause of all Beings The word here rendred Ordained we conceive to be of great force for the legitimating our powers it being often used to signifie events and appointments flowing from the eternal efficacious Decree of God as Act. 13.48.22.10 c. in which God cannot be a Spectator onely or a permitter but must needs lay to his hand as a powerful VVorker yea in an eminent and signal manner too this we shall evidence he hath done in our Case by and by for if the permission of God which extends it self to evil sin or privative defects be not without his