Selected quad for the lemma: honour_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
honour_n	aaron_n	apostle_n	bless_a	16	3	7.9566	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A66405	The papist represented, and not misrepresented being in answer to the first sheet of the second part of the Papist misrepresented and represented : and for a further vindication of the catechism truly representing the doctrine and practices of the Church of Rome.	Williams, John, 1636?-1709.	1687 (1687)	Wing W2713; ESTC R2047	7,342	17

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