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A70152 An ansvver to a popish pamphlet called the touch-stone of the reformed gospell. made speciallie out of themselves. By William Guild, D.D. and preacher of Gods word. Guild, William, 1586-1657. 1656 (1656) Wing G2202; ESTC R221580 101,567 372

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11._o 26._o therefore_o say_v chrisostome_n hom_n 83._o in_o math._n speak_v against_o some_o who_o use_v water_n in_o this_o sacrament_n in_o place_n of_o wine_n when_o our_o saviour_n celebrate_v this_o mystery_n say_v he_o he_o give_v unto_o his_o disciple_n wine_n call_z it_o the_o fruit_n of_o the_o vine_n which_o produce_v not_o water_n for_o as_o theodoret_n say_v dial_n 2._o the_o mystical_a sign_n depart_v not_o after_o consecration_n from_o their_o own_o nature_n but_o remain_v in_o their_o former_a substance_n form_n and_o figure_n and_o may_v be_v see_v and_o touch_v as_o they_o be_v before_o the_o three_o place_n be_v john_n 6._o 51._o where_o christ_n say_v i_o be_o the_o live_a bread_n which_o come_v down_o from_o heaven_n &_o be_v grant_v to_o be_v live_v what_o else_o be_v it_o but_o his_o body_n say_v he_o to_o who_o i_o answer_v 1_o as_o bellarmin_n witness_v lib._n 1._o de_fw-fr euch._n cap._n 5._o all_o these_o romanist_n to_o wit_n gabriel_n biel_n cardinal_n cusanus_fw-la thomas_n aquinas_n cardinal_n cajetan_n ruardus_n tapperus_n joannes_n hesselius_n affirm_v and_o cornelius_n jansenius_n especial_o concord_n cap._n 59_o unanswerablie_o prove_v p._n 387._o &_o 389._o that_o this_o chapter_n meddle_v nowise_o with_o any_o sacramental_a eat_n of_o christ_n body_n or_o drink_v his_o blood_n 2._o this_o text_n make_v rather_o against_o transubstantion_n for_o though_o christ_n say_v i_o be_o the_o live_a bread_n yet_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o therefore_o his_o flesh_n be_v transsubstantiate_v into_o bread_n &_o consequent_o no_o more_o do_v it_o follow_v that_o when_o christ_n say_v of_o the_o bread_n this_o be_v my_o body_n that_o therefore_o bread_n be_v transsubstantiate_v into_o his_o body_n the_o four_o and_o main_a place_n be_v math._n 26._o 26._o take_v eat_v this_o be_v my_o body_n to_o which_o i_o answer_v
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