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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A92033	Lux veritatis or, Christian judicial astrology vindicated, and demonology confuted: in answer to Nath. Homes, D.D. Wherein his allegations of the learned, reasons, divine proofs, and arguments, are particularly examined and convinced. With the legality of the art maintained and warranted by Scripture. Whereunto is annexed, a short discourse of that great eclipse of the sun, March 29. 1652. By William Ramesey Gent. student in astrologie and physick.	Ramesey, William, 1627-1675 or 6.	1651 (1651)	Wing R209; Thomason E1341_1; Thomason E1351_3; Thomason E1341_1*; Thomason E1351_4; ESTC R209141	67,612	156

If they follow their own opinions and conceits without sound reason and warrant I see no warrant or reason why I should regard either them their words or their quoters SECT I. Wherein is further shewn the legality of Astrologie HIs first learned man then he begins with is Tostatus who he saith in his Commentary on Levit 19. Quest 28 29 c. hath these words the which Doctor Willet gives him viz. Of things which are as to us accidental as the successe of businesse or their causes internal as mens will and free choice as to undertake a journey or to build or not build predictions are not onely uncertain but superstitious and the same is to be said of casting of Nativities by the conjunction of the Planets but if he had considered what reason or ground Tostatus hath for these words he had never thus laid them open and I much wonder he being a Divine he had not first himself considered and weighed the text which that he may now do Nunquam sera est ad bonos more 's via I will here set it down Regard not them that have familiar spirits neither seeke after Wizards to be defiled by them I am the Lord your God Levit. 19.31 where we clearly see there is no part of the text once in the least mentioneth or meaneth Astrologie it is against the seeking after those that have familiar Spirits and Wizards Looke what Astrologie is pag. 2. now that Astrologie doth not in the least savour hereof is clear in what hath been already said and the definition thereof see Ptolomies own words at the beginning of my discourse in the second page So that except the rest of his learned men as he calleth them can bring better proof or reason then this first he had better have been silent then thus to be overshot SECT II. Wherein is shewn that the Stars are signes and Causes HE then brings Doctor Willet to cast his squib also at this strong Tower viz. Astrologie in these words all manner of conjecturing which saith he is meant by Astrologie is not unlawful whereof any Natural or Divine cause can be yielded as first there be Natural signs in the heavens and ayre as of the alteration of weather of winds of raine c. This doth no whit hurt it and is onely a flash that at the most doth but whiz about it and at the last after a great crack vanisheth in smoke mark but the words all manner of conjecturing is not unlawful c. and saith Mr Homes see he calleth it meaning Astrologie but conjecturing onely but doth Mr Homes conjecture it to be no other if he do it is his ignorance I hope the reader sees by this time what Astrologie is and begins to be as much in love with it againe as ever before by him discouraged as also out of love with his cavils but this is not all when you see him stript of his Scripture proofs you will tell me something then when you see him as naked left as my naile of all his sophistications you will tell me then you are worse in love with him I 'm confident when his ugly malice is discovered against this most apparent truth But let me not forget my self and spend too much time about him but return to the discourse in hand which is that since there hath been already shewn that the Stars have the applause of power on the natural things of this world as also the great Ptolomie whose word in this case I believe wil be taken before Doctor Willets or Mr. Homes his gives his word for it Astrologie no way unlawfull besides experience also as above shewed and you know experientia docet there is no more to be said but that Astrologie is not as Doctor Willet sayeth unlawful neither doth he in any wise condemne it for in his following words he tels us There are natural signes in the heavens and aire which cause raine winde c. The cause of which is no other then the influence of the Stars which if he deny all Writers on this Art are contradicted as also the Scripture to boot if then this be not a strong Argument let himself judge But to clear this point more fully what sayeth Mr. Homes Nota. As anon shall appeare is the cause of Raine alteration of Aire and the like if his Master Doctor Willet did not in these words shew it me thinks he should not have left the Reader unsatisfied and not onely so but have proved the Stars to have no Influence thereon nor to be causes of these alterations and then his argument had been good but certainly he that wil carpe at such trivial words as these would not have omitted that could he but sufficiently have proved it which since he could not or did not he must give me leave to prove they are The Stars signes and causes And first let me give you Moses judgement herein who plainly tells us The Stars are for signes and seasons Gen. 1.14 which Mr. Homes will say is fullfilled in the words following viz. And God made two great lights the one to rule the Day and the other to rule the Night Gen. 1.16 To which then I answer by way of Quere to what end then are these invincible irresistable and innumerable hostes of Heaven were they made for no other use then to gaze on the ☉ and ☽ will sufficiently serve our turne for matter of light if we looke no further into their uses but the Scripture further putteth this matter quite out of doubt if we will beleeve Gods own word Joh 28.31 For he speaking of his Omnipotent power asketh his servant Job whether he or any one else Can restraine the influence of the Pleiades or loose the bands of Orion Saint Austine on Job On which words St. Austine referreth all men to the study of Astrologie for the understanding of that place and not onely so but shews us that under these two constellations the Lord doth comprehend the influence of all the Celestial host figuratively expressing pars pro toto and to shew you by experience the verity hereof if you wil neither beleeve Augustine Moses nor God himself except you see and feele not to insist long on this point which is cleared by such strong and invincible witnesses one whereof is able to be sufficient testimony against all Mr. Homes his learned Judges and condemners of Astrologie For confirming and clearing hereof then I might here again instance that palpable experience we have of the ebbing and flowing of the Sea by the influence of the ☽ as abovesaid but to manifest it yet further let him call to mind the increase and decrease of shel-fish the mutation and variation of times and innumerable other effects of the Stars which if time and conveniency would permit might be recorded and let him then study the cause hereof and he will then without doubt be of an other tenent let him observe also

the Earth and ☿ twenty two times how then shall these at any posture at one and the same time effect or signifie any thing to all the world it is the opinion indeed and with very much reason of all the Mathematitians and Astrologers that ever writ that these three Planets under the Sun are lesse then the earth See Ptolomy Albotegnius Alfraganus Tycho but amongst the most learned of them there is much dispute of the certaine magnitude thereof but how equivalent this querke is against Astrologie is wonderful A candle is not able to give light to a bowle or any thing as big as a peck because it is so much bigger then the candle when we know and commonly see that it will give light to a great spacious roome a thousand times bigger then it self a strong reason indeed we know and see that the influence of a Planet extends it self ten thousand times beyond its visible light to our sight but to come closer to the matter hath not the ☽ ☿ and ♀ their ⚹ □ △ dexter and sinister and ☍ to all and every part or utmost parts of the heavens that are millions of times bigger then both them and the earth according to their several motions and hath not these aspects as much power and influence as a perpendicular ☌ and whereas he asketh what is the difference of natures in Twins when the superiour Planets are proportionably bigger then the Earth but sure he never read that part of Ptolomy which I before cited concerning the several significators in Twins which is the onely cause and reason that can be given for his frivolous quirke but as he questions to bring his bald arguments about so he answers his own questions in hopes to confirm them If saith he this is because of the swift externall violent motion of the Stars why then I againe demand how the Stars can have time to make any distinct impression by any particular influence on one borne especially on one who perhaps may lie in the mouth of the womb partly borne partly unborne for a quarter or half an hour or many hours when the motion of the Zodiack is 60 times 60 miles in an houre which is 60 miles compleat in one minute But to answer to this weake cavill I shall say no more but that though the Heavens be so swift yet in comparison of us it is not so much as an inch is to 10000 miles for we see by dayly experience that the ☉ who is also by the same violence contrary to his own natural course carried in like manner doth not as to us move at all in two or three hours for marke how small a thing in a Diall gives this 60. miles in a minute so that this doth no whit at all hinder the influence of the Starres if they should be hurried ten times swifter for this great course is in relation to the circumference of the heavens not of the earth besides we know that those signes that are of longer ascensions as are ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ are sometimes an hour and a halfe nay perhaps two hours ascending or in the first House and so consequently may be in any House And for his long continuance of the Infant in the mouth of the wombe this may somewhat refell but there is no Astrologer that will take that part of a birth or the beginning of the mothers travell to be the ground or Radix of the infants Nativity When the Radix of a nativity is properly to be taken but that instant in which He or Shee is perfectly seperated from the wombe and entred this elementary world since no man can properly call that a birth which is but half a expelled or but halfe perfected when also sometimes the Infant may draw back again So that these frivolous kind of cavillings is neither available nor indeed any thing in the least to the controversie in dispute yet Mr. Homes is willing to help Astrologers to answer these his feeble questions with far weaker expressions and to say the truth ignorance it selfe for saith he If Astrologers will plead and thing to helpe themselves herein from the slownesse of other motions of the Stars that are natural to them viz. that the fixed stars move with so slow a motion from North to South back againe as that their courses are not finished in lesse then 7000. yeares Now I would very faine know of any rational man how this answer of his in the behalfe of Astrologers is able to availe them a rush or himself in his purpose since they are also hurried with the like violence as aforesaid every 24. hours once about the earth but as all these his quirks are brought into his advantage as he thinks so the advantage he strives to gain hereby he may brag of as much as of the former for all this his gaine is but the opportunity of this question viz. How then can any age since the beginning of the world have experence what the conjunction of the Starres may produce This is a great Conquest indeed but how slender an Artist he herein renders himself let the judicious judge since it is most certain that these stars we call fixed move not at all Ergo are nominated fixed for they move unanimously together in their sphere which is about 7000. years finishing its course not the Stars but suppose they do move yet they move not by several motions as the one being flower or swifter then another for they are all alike distant each from other continually and if these come not to aspect nor ☌ of the Planets yet the Planets come to configuration with them as ♄ commeth in configuration of them once in 29. years some odd months and dayes ♃ in 12 years ♂ in three years ☉ in one year or twelve months ♀ and ☿ in the like time or there abouts the ☽ in 28 dayes and some odd hours I hope then this experience may be learned in a far shorter time then 7 or 8000 years and if the motions of the Planets are not exactly for ever calculated by Astronomers in former ages and that of late to our hands I would faine Mr. Homes would do them better and since these is so apparently and vulgarly known it is sufficient ground for any one to take the exact position of the heavens either in Twins births or any others without the error that these motions he speaketh of can cause which indeed is none at all Wherefore if these assertions of his be not weaker then all his former cavils as also most apparently inconsistent with what he would faine prove I leave to the learned and judicious herein to judge and hasten to his remaining cavils SECT III. Wherein his indeavours to prove Astrologie of no truth or certainty as also it's rules and principles are themselves of lesse truth or ground nay and indeed sensless HIs third Argument against Astrologie is to prove the Maximes Theorems Axiomes and Canons